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Article: The Modes of Daygame
Recently I’ve been thinking about the different types of daygame and their effectiveness. It’s hard to say exactly how many modes there really are – but for the purposes of this article there are 2, with a subset each making a total of 4. I’m sure it could be broken down further….. but here goes.
You may be doing one of these forms without realizing there are others – or you might be using various parts of all thee at different times. Or, maybe you’ve never done daygame at all and you’d like to give it a try?
Which form is right for you may be determined by your end goal. Do you want to get laid ASAP? Or build a Harem of girls? How busy are you? How much time do you have to screen for girls? These will all determine which mode is the right one for you.
Right, let’s get down to it. Here are the modes I’m talking about and their breakdown.
SLOWGAME:
Slowgame is purposely maximizing the amount of time you spend with a woman upon your initial encounter. It’s about cahtting with her as long as you possibly can, getting to know as much as you can about the woman and connecting with her, in the hopes of securing a date with her in the future. It’s doesn’t take a genius to figure out – the more the women invests in an interaction, the more likely she’ll see you again. My buddy Yad figures once you hit the 20-30 minute mark, that’s enough investment to where she will likely answer your phone calls. Does talking to woman for 30 minutes guarantee she’ll see you again? Absolutely not. But it does swing the odds massively in your favor. This is sort of the standard advice thrown around in the community. “Have longer sets!” … and that’s certainly valid. However, some other useful advice that should be put out there along with that is “Actually get to know what she’s about – who she is …. and “stop caring too much about any particular girl.” For newer guys especially, nothing is more heart wrenching that chatting to a girl for 30 minutes, and then having her flake on you! Ugh. A quick tip I tell my students: If you walk a away from a woman, and you can’t write a list of at AT LEAST 5 things about her that make her awesome – NOT INCLUDING HER LOOKS - you haven’t done your job. (Really, 10 is even better!)
SLOWGAME:
ADVANTAGES:
Spend more time with each girl, so less girls to follow up with
More time to connect with women, increase your chances of a second date
Pre screen women on initial meet, filter out the ones you don’t like!
DISADVANTAGES:
Time consuming
Frustrating if women flake due to the time you've invested
Harder to implement in busy areas such as rush hour tube or bus journeys
INSTAGAME:
A subset of slowgame is something I like to refer to as – instagame. This is where you meet a woman, and try and take her on a date – right there and then. This is fairly similar to Slowgame, except you bounce the woman to another location for an extended period. This is in my opinion the absolutely best thing to do if you’re going for the “really get to know her” approach. Why make plans to see a woman in the future, when she’s already in front of you? Heloooooo!! Plus, if you actually get to know her – not only do you increase your chances of seeing her again, you can figure out if there is a point in doing so. Do you like her? Is she on the same page as you? Would there be a point in meeting up? Having an instant date is the best way to find out if this is a woman you’d like to see again – and the best way of making sure you’ll do so. It’s win/win baby! If the instant date goes really well, you may even end up going to bed with the woman straight away!
The downside here is, many are either doing something (they believe) they have to get done. Some may be on their way to work, or to meet a friend for pre arranged plans. Another problem is simply that for some women, hooking up with a guy they just met isn’t in their reality. On the flip side, for some women, it is. Even better, some women may jump at the opportunity if it’s presented to them. The old adage is certainly true in this case “Why put off till tomorrow, what you can do today!”
INSTAGAME
ADVANTAGES:
All of the above – PLUS
You come off as a fun/adventurous guy trying to take them away for an instant date
You’re SITTING DOWN in a more relaxed atmosphere
You can see what a date would actually be like with this woman
DISADVANTAGES:
Some girls can’t go off with you… so you won’t be able to drag them off
In the time when you're on an instant date, you could be meeting other girls
You have to be free / have time on your hands on
Ok, here’s where things get interesting!
FASTGAME:
This is essentially meeting a girl, having a quick chat, exchanging (just getting her phone number) and then walking off hoping to arrange a date with her at some future point. There advantages of this type of game are numerous, and I totally understand it’s appeal. First off, you don’t invest too much time and energy into one particular girl. In my experience (as well as other heavy daygamers, including Yad, and Paul Janka) we know the flake rate for women is extremely high (probably about 90% for most guys, if not higher). If you’re approaching things from a “numbers game” type of view, just getting the number and getting out is perfect! Some women are just going to like you. Some women are just up for a good time - and that’s all there is too it. In my personal experience, the probability of flakeage doesn’t really change whether you talk to a girl for30 seconds, or 5 minutes. It makes no difference. There’s always a good chance you’ll never see her again either way – you may as well spend less time, and meet more girls.
FASTGAME:
ADVANTAGES:
Meet lots of girls quickly
Increase the chances of meeting someone you really like
Don’t invest too much time/energy on each girl
DISADVANTAGES:
Takes a long time to contact/arrange dates.
Massive flake rate is frustrating.
The connection isn't fully there. You don't get to know them until the date
NO-NUMBER FASTGAME:
Another subset of Fastgame is no-number fastgame. I’ve heard about this concept before, but only started trying it more recently. No-number fast game is just what it sounds like - you chat quickly to a girl… and then just give’em your number. You do NOT take their number. This actually has a whole bunch of advantages to it, as well as one big and obvious disadvantage.
First off, I genuinely don’t have time to follow up my phone numbers. I don’t. With this system, you don’t have to! The girls that are interested will drop you a line. They just weed themselves out! Also, the power in not asking for their number speaks volumes. If you have a good interaction, and there’s interest on both sides… most guys will go for the number – and some will even call! The problem here is, you’re chasing them. By forcing them to call you, you’re setting up the dynamic that they’re after you. Also, she’ll be thinking “This guy is cool… he must have a lot of woman around, he didn’t even go for my number!”
Another great thing about this is this it makes remembering all the girls I’ve met unessessary. I meet a lot of new people – do you think at the end of the week I can remember ‘em? Maybe the most amazing 2 or 3. The rest are just a blur. Trying to remember which girl was which takes a lot of time and energy! But hey, with no number fastgame - what difference does it make? Who cares about all those girls who weren’t really that interested? The ones who want really want to, will call. Just make the best impression you can in that minute, and move on.
The important thing here is to make sure they understand one thing. You didn’t ask for their number because you’re busy… not because you’re not interested – and certainly not because you’re too scared to do it! Johnny Soporno has taught me a mindset that’s very helpful for this…..
The logic for not taking a girl’s number can be such:
“Hey, I’m a really busy guy. I’d love to meet up with you again…but I know what I’m like. If I get your number - I’ll likely get too carried away doing some stuff, and I won’t call. Then, you’ll think I don’t like you, or worse, that I don’t care. And that’s not the case – I really have a lot going on! So, if you’d like to meet up again… or you’d just like a chat – drop me a line sometime and we’ll meet up and have some fun!”
If you’re going to do fastgame, and you’re having a significant amount of interactions (say 20+ per week) - I really recommend trying no-number fastgame. You keep your mind clear to have fun interactions, instead of worrying which girl was which and what to text and who to call. Give your number out to 20 girls… you’ll get a couple of dates out of it. And those 2 dates will probably be with 2 girls who are up for a good time!
The disadvantage is a big one however. Some girls, no matter HOW much they like you – simply won’t get in touch. It’s a heart breaker, but that’s just the way it is. Some may get distracted, meet someone else, and many were just “flirting for the fun of it.” I know, it seems cruel… but girls will be girls! However, the amount of psychosocial energy you save doing this type of game is WORTH loosing some girls.
You’ll be tempted to cheat and get a girls number if you REALLY like her….I’ve done it before…. But I’d recommend exercising some discipline and really trying this system out for a bit to see what kind if results it can bring.
edit: keep reading to next post!! hit max characters! argh!!
Article: The Modes of Daygame
Recently I’ve been thinking about the different types of daygame and their effectiveness. It’s hard to say exactly how many modes there really are – but for the purposes of this article there are 2, with a subset each making a total of 4. I’m sure it could be broken down further….. but here goes.
You may be doing one of these forms without realizing there are others – or you might be using various parts of all thee at different times. Or, maybe you’ve never done daygame at all and you’d like to give it a try?
Which form is right for you may be determined by your end goal. Do you want to get laid ASAP? Or build a Harem of girls? How busy are you? How much time do you have to screen for girls? These will all determine which mode is the right one for you.
Right, let’s get down to it. Here are the modes I’m talking about and their breakdown.
SLOWGAME:
Slowgame is purposely maximizing the amount of time you spend with a woman upon your initial encounter. It’s about cahtting with her as long as you possibly can, getting to know as much as you can about the woman and connecting with her, in the hopes of securing a date with her in the future. It’s doesn’t take a genius to figure out – the more the women invests in an interaction, the more likely she’ll see you again. My buddy Yad figures once you hit the 20-30 minute mark, that’s enough investment to where she will likely answer your phone calls. Does talking to woman for 30 minutes guarantee she’ll see you again? Absolutely not. But it does swing the odds massively in your favor. This is sort of the standard advice thrown around in the community. “Have longer sets!” … and that’s certainly valid. However, some other useful advice that should be put out there along with that is “Actually get to know what she’s about – who she is …. and “stop caring too much about any particular girl.” For newer guys especially, nothing is more heart wrenching that chatting to a girl for 30 minutes, and then having her flake on you! Ugh. A quick tip I tell my students: If you walk a away from a woman, and you can’t write a list of at AT LEAST 5 things about her that make her awesome – NOT INCLUDING HER LOOKS - you haven’t done your job. (Really, 10 is even better!)
SLOWGAME:
ADVANTAGES:
Spend more time with each girl, so less girls to follow up with
More time to connect with women, increase your chances of a second date
Pre screen women on initial meet, filter out the ones you don’t like!
DISADVANTAGES:
Time consuming
Frustrating if women flake due to the time you've invested
Harder to implement in busy areas such as rush hour tube or bus journeys
INSTAGAME:
A subset of slowgame is something I like to refer to as – instagame. This is where you meet a woman, and try and take her on a date – right there and then. This is fairly similar to Slowgame, except you bounce the woman to another location for an extended period. This is in my opinion the absolutely best thing to do if you’re going for the “really get to know her” approach. Why make plans to see a woman in the future, when she’s already in front of you? Heloooooo!! Plus, if you actually get to know her – not only do you increase your chances of seeing her again, you can figure out if there is a point in doing so. Do you like her? Is she on the same page as you? Would there be a point in meeting up? Having an instant date is the best way to find out if this is a woman you’d like to see again – and the best way of making sure you’ll do so. It’s win/win baby! If the instant date goes really well, you may even end up going to bed with the woman straight away!
The downside here is, many are either doing something (they believe) they have to get done. Some may be on their way to work, or to meet a friend for pre arranged plans. Another problem is simply that for some women, hooking up with a guy they just met isn’t in their reality. On the flip side, for some women, it is. Even better, some women may jump at the opportunity if it’s presented to them. The old adage is certainly true in this case “Why put off till tomorrow, what you can do today!”
INSTAGAME
ADVANTAGES:
All of the above – PLUS
You come off as a fun/adventurous guy trying to take them away for an instant date
You’re SITTING DOWN in a more relaxed atmosphere
You can see what a date would actually be like with this woman
DISADVANTAGES:
Some girls can’t go off with you… so you won’t be able to drag them off
In the time when you're on an instant date, you could be meeting other girls
You have to be free / have time on your hands on
Ok, here’s where things get interesting!
FASTGAME:
This is essentially meeting a girl, having a quick chat, exchanging (just getting her phone number) and then walking off hoping to arrange a date with her at some future point. There advantages of this type of game are numerous, and I totally understand it’s appeal. First off, you don’t invest too much time and energy into one particular girl. In my experience (as well as other heavy daygamers, including Yad, and Paul Janka) we know the flake rate for women is extremely high (probably about 90% for most guys, if not higher). If you’re approaching things from a “numbers game” type of view, just getting the number and getting out is perfect! Some women are just going to like you. Some women are just up for a good time - and that’s all there is too it. In my personal experience, the probability of flakeage doesn’t really change whether you talk to a girl for30 seconds, or 5 minutes. It makes no difference. There’s always a good chance you’ll never see her again either way – you may as well spend less time, and meet more girls.
FASTGAME:
ADVANTAGES:
Meet lots of girls quickly
Increase the chances of meeting someone you really like
Don’t invest too much time/energy on each girl
DISADVANTAGES:
Takes a long time to contact/arrange dates.
Massive flake rate is frustrating.
The connection isn't fully there. You don't get to know them until the date
NO-NUMBER FASTGAME:
Another subset of Fastgame is no-number fastgame. I’ve heard about this concept before, but only started trying it more recently. No-number fast game is just what it sounds like - you chat quickly to a girl… and then just give’em your number. You do NOT take their number. This actually has a whole bunch of advantages to it, as well as one big and obvious disadvantage.
First off, I genuinely don’t have time to follow up my phone numbers. I don’t. With this system, you don’t have to! The girls that are interested will drop you a line. They just weed themselves out! Also, the power in not asking for their number speaks volumes. If you have a good interaction, and there’s interest on both sides… most guys will go for the number – and some will even call! The problem here is, you’re chasing them. By forcing them to call you, you’re setting up the dynamic that they’re after you. Also, she’ll be thinking “This guy is cool… he must have a lot of woman around, he didn’t even go for my number!”
Another great thing about this is this it makes remembering all the girls I’ve met unessessary. I meet a lot of new people – do you think at the end of the week I can remember ‘em? Maybe the most amazing 2 or 3. The rest are just a blur. Trying to remember which girl was which takes a lot of time and energy! But hey, with no number fastgame - what difference does it make? Who cares about all those girls who weren’t really that interested? The ones who want really want to, will call. Just make the best impression you can in that minute, and move on.
The important thing here is to make sure they understand one thing. You didn’t ask for their number because you’re busy… not because you’re not interested – and certainly not because you’re too scared to do it! Johnny Soporno has taught me a mindset that’s very helpful for this…..
The logic for not taking a girl’s number can be such:
“Hey, I’m a really busy guy. I’d love to meet up with you again…but I know what I’m like. If I get your number - I’ll likely get too carried away doing some stuff, and I won’t call. Then, you’ll think I don’t like you, or worse, that I don’t care. And that’s not the case – I really have a lot going on! So, if you’d like to meet up again… or you’d just like a chat – drop me a line sometime and we’ll meet up and have some fun!”
If you’re going to do fastgame, and you’re having a significant amount of interactions (say 20+ per week) - I really recommend trying no-number fastgame. You keep your mind clear to have fun interactions, instead of worrying which girl was which and what to text and who to call. Give your number out to 20 girls… you’ll get a couple of dates out of it. And those 2 dates will probably be with 2 girls who are up for a good time!
The disadvantage is a big one however. Some girls, no matter HOW much they like you – simply won’t get in touch. It’s a heart breaker, but that’s just the way it is. Some may get distracted, meet someone else, and many were just “flirting for the fun of it.” I know, it seems cruel… but girls will be girls! However, the amount of psychosocial energy you save doing this type of game is WORTH loosing some girls.
You’ll be tempted to cheat and get a girls number if you REALLY like her….I’ve done it before…. But I’d recommend exercising some discipline and really trying this system out for a bit to see what kind if results it can bring.
edit: keep reading to next post!! hit max characters! argh!!
