SharinganUser
Master Don Juan
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Maybe we're just having a break down of communication here. Playing symantics, possibly.
Oh FFS. You are not telling her outright that you want to **** her. You are showing her that you are interested and attracted. You did that when you approached her bud. If she finds you attractive and she is availible, and you have not come across as a social retard, you will get her number.
There is no cat and mouse with a cold approach (bars and clubs excluded!) You are a lion, she is a wounded antelope. You go for the kill (her number, the date setup right there) or you go home.
No doubt a simply direct approach will work if she is already attracted to you. That is an ideal situation and almost anything would work. If it is a cold approach, you don't know anything about her, you might not be her type, ect... If it's not an ideal situation, then a direct approach might not be the best approach.
C+F cant be used until you have built up rapport with a woman in many cases. Using C+F on complete strangers is even more risky then a direct approach! You dont have time to build rapport when you hitting on chicks outside of clubs/bars/parties.
She knows you like her if you approach her. She knows you want to shag her. Approaching her, only to "Be direct and then indirect" comes across as unnatural. Its socially inept lad. It only works if you have built rapport with a woman!
Can C+F be used cold? Of course it can. It depends on her personality though, her mood, your ability to be playful. Its best avoided by guys starting out with cold approachs!
Who says it can't be used right away? Or that you need rapport with her to use it? If you use it, you are inherently building report because you are communicating that you are the man. There is no set ammount of rapport or time that says when it's ok to use it. Like you said, "it depends on her personality though, her mood, your ability to be playful."
She knows you like her if you approach her. She knows you want to shag her. Approaching her, only to "Be direct and then indirect" comes across as unnatural. Its socially inept lad. It only works if you have built rapport with a woman!
I agree, that she knows I want to shag her, my approach never comes off as unatural because I really am just being myself. As for not being able to use c+f in a cold approach, you'd be supprised how much you can express in a couple of minutes.
And if it looks rehersed and awkward, you are dead in the water. Sorry, but you misunderstood the OP's post completely. You are trying to apply "methods" you have picked up for almost any situation. It simply does not work that way.
How can it look rehearsed and awkward if I've never rehearsed anything in my life? Yeah, I sometimes come off as shy, and women sometimes ask me why I am acting so shy. I just say "Beautiful women, make me shy." Then move on, flirt and talk about something else. I don't make an issue out of my shyness.
Suggesting that one should play cat and mouse when you have 2 minutes to close the deal is ridiculous.
This was probably an error on my part, I don't know the definition of all these DJ terms. I simply meant that it is ok to flirt in the first two minutes. It's ok to mix things up.
First impressions are really important, if she doesn't think you have a sense of humor in the first few minutes, then, well you know the rest.
I was mostly worried about how some people might interpret the OP's advice. People like that guy several posts up that asks me "why don't you just tell her because that is what you are feeling at the momment?"
VERY well put. So what are you gonna do when you stop and interrupt a HB while she is in the middle of shopping, and is in a rush because she has places to be.Are you gonna sit there in the middle of the isle for 10 min using C&F ..no! You try to close and get the number as soon as possible and i believe direct is the most efficient way for this. Women are not STUPID THEY know when a stranger who is a guy approaches them what that guys wants. Be a MAN let them know what you want they can either accept it or not!
Now bars and clubs are a different thing usually you are stationary in the same place for several hours and so is the HB, So you have time to run all kinda routines C&F , and whatnot
What am I gonna do? Why would you even ask that question? C+F has no set time requirement. Why would you even think that? Honestly if you need 10 minutes to tell ONE or TWO jokes, I really think you need to improve your humour.
Look ad effective advertisements on televison. They require no more than 30 seconds to get they message across, and they usually use humour and qualify you at the same time to get you to buy their product.
Well, i think I've said about all I can say. If the situation calls for a direct approach, then use that. If you have a chance to use other weapons at your disposal such as flirting, c+f, or whatever, then use those too.
Oh FFS. You are not telling her outright that you want to **** her. You are showing her that you are interested and attracted. You did that when you approached her bud. If she finds you attractive and she is availible, and you have not come across as a social retard, you will get her number.
There is no cat and mouse with a cold approach (bars and clubs excluded!) You are a lion, she is a wounded antelope. You go for the kill (her number, the date setup right there) or you go home.
No doubt a simply direct approach will work if she is already attracted to you. That is an ideal situation and almost anything would work. If it is a cold approach, you don't know anything about her, you might not be her type, ect... If it's not an ideal situation, then a direct approach might not be the best approach.
C+F cant be used until you have built up rapport with a woman in many cases. Using C+F on complete strangers is even more risky then a direct approach! You dont have time to build rapport when you hitting on chicks outside of clubs/bars/parties.
She knows you like her if you approach her. She knows you want to shag her. Approaching her, only to "Be direct and then indirect" comes across as unnatural. Its socially inept lad. It only works if you have built rapport with a woman!
Can C+F be used cold? Of course it can. It depends on her personality though, her mood, your ability to be playful. Its best avoided by guys starting out with cold approachs!
Who says it can't be used right away? Or that you need rapport with her to use it? If you use it, you are inherently building report because you are communicating that you are the man. There is no set ammount of rapport or time that says when it's ok to use it. Like you said, "it depends on her personality though, her mood, your ability to be playful."
She knows you like her if you approach her. She knows you want to shag her. Approaching her, only to "Be direct and then indirect" comes across as unnatural. Its socially inept lad. It only works if you have built rapport with a woman!
I agree, that she knows I want to shag her, my approach never comes off as unatural because I really am just being myself. As for not being able to use c+f in a cold approach, you'd be supprised how much you can express in a couple of minutes.
And if it looks rehersed and awkward, you are dead in the water. Sorry, but you misunderstood the OP's post completely. You are trying to apply "methods" you have picked up for almost any situation. It simply does not work that way.
How can it look rehearsed and awkward if I've never rehearsed anything in my life? Yeah, I sometimes come off as shy, and women sometimes ask me why I am acting so shy. I just say "Beautiful women, make me shy." Then move on, flirt and talk about something else. I don't make an issue out of my shyness.
Suggesting that one should play cat and mouse when you have 2 minutes to close the deal is ridiculous.
This was probably an error on my part, I don't know the definition of all these DJ terms. I simply meant that it is ok to flirt in the first two minutes. It's ok to mix things up.
First impressions are really important, if she doesn't think you have a sense of humor in the first few minutes, then, well you know the rest.
I was mostly worried about how some people might interpret the OP's advice. People like that guy several posts up that asks me "why don't you just tell her because that is what you are feeling at the momment?"
VERY well put. So what are you gonna do when you stop and interrupt a HB while she is in the middle of shopping, and is in a rush because she has places to be.Are you gonna sit there in the middle of the isle for 10 min using C&F ..no! You try to close and get the number as soon as possible and i believe direct is the most efficient way for this. Women are not STUPID THEY know when a stranger who is a guy approaches them what that guys wants. Be a MAN let them know what you want they can either accept it or not!
Now bars and clubs are a different thing usually you are stationary in the same place for several hours and so is the HB, So you have time to run all kinda routines C&F , and whatnot
What am I gonna do? Why would you even ask that question? C+F has no set time requirement. Why would you even think that? Honestly if you need 10 minutes to tell ONE or TWO jokes, I really think you need to improve your humour.
Look ad effective advertisements on televison. They require no more than 30 seconds to get they message across, and they usually use humour and qualify you at the same time to get you to buy their product.
Well, i think I've said about all I can say. If the situation calls for a direct approach, then use that. If you have a chance to use other weapons at your disposal such as flirting, c+f, or whatever, then use those too.
