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Approach or not too approach, that is the question

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Approach or not to approach, that is the question

Cold approaching seems to be a hot topic here lately and it is a hot summer, so wanted to share my knowlege, strategy and experience with regards to the subject.

A cold approach should not be awkward, too obvious, or intrusive! Instead, your approach should be casual, warm and friendly. You should only approach girls that first show a non-verbal sign of interest, whether it be at a club, party, or the mall. It's a win/win situation as you are considerably reducing a potential rejection and not looking like a desparate sap who goes up to every girl he sees. You are approaching her in a mature and classy manner knowing she finds you attractive.

So, how is non-verbal interest conveyed?

Non-verbal interest is communicated to you by her eyes.

The eyes say it all and there could be a whole new language called "eye language" to address all the different looks a woman gives. I'm sure you've seen this before. An interested girl will stare longer than she has too, and usually from a distance. Her eyes will look glossy, submissive and harmless. Up close, however, some girls become very shy. A good way to guage interest is to be out of her space to begin with. She is more comfortable to give you those first non-verbal signals at a distance.

To better interpret eye language, below is a good reference. Think of girls you know who have already given you some of these looks. While there are exceptions, these meanings for the most part are universal and many looks are involuntary like a reflex. I wll call an unintentional (involuntary) look, a reactive look, while a conscious intentional look is a proactive look:

The Blank Stare

This gaze is not a conscious effort and for most girls is just the acquaintance look girls give guys they view as friends. You'll catch this look at pauses in conversation from time to time. She's with you, but just enough to acknowlege your presence. She has no real interest in you beyond just an occasional chat

The Puppy Dog Look

Don't be fooled guys. Girls do this on purpose knowing it is a seductive look. Trust me. Girls *in love* for lack of a better term often look at their significant others this way. Girls are great actresses and know how to produce this look on demand knowing guys like it. It is a proactive look and a good thing as she is trying to get your manly vibes flowing. There is interest there, whether anything happens or not depend on the circumstances.

The quick look down and away

Usually on approch of running into you from around a corner or coming upon you not knowing she will see you. In other words, you catch her by surprise and she immediately looks down at the floor and to the side (either side). This is an involuntary look that says she is either ashamed, embarrased and/or shy. Girls not wearing makeup often do this around guys they like. Other times this happens when she has done something shameful knowing you like her (and she likes you) but would be dissapointed to hear (e.g. like a wild ONS out on the town).

Show of Disdain

This is a conscious proactive no-look. She purposely will not look at you. It is really obvious. If you are with a group, she'll look at everyone in the group, but purposely single you out. It is a show of disdain because you are controlling her actions. She likes you, but feels you would never like her. She feels out of your league. This look also happens if you have ever rejected her and she feels jaded. Lastly, this look happens at clubs with girls who know nice guys they like but intend on being naughty without them. In other words, you're the nice guy at the club, knows she likes you, but won't give you the time day (at the club). Why? Because she doesn't want to feel guilty when she has a good time. She gave you no attention, so there was never a connection at the club in the first place. Are you getting how women operate? It's all about some sort of connection small or big.

Quick darting look left or right

She didn't expect to see you. This happens in hallways or crossing paths at the gym alot of times. It is an unconscious reactive look that suggests she is intimidated by you (in a good sexy domineering way).

Casual glance

This is the friendly acknowledgement look. There is no eye contact for longer than a second here and there. Often happens in group contexts where she is just being friendly. She has no interest beyond friends.

Deer in the Headlight

This one happens at the clubs, malls and gym alot. Usually by a girl you don't know that well, but she thinks you are hotter than he!!. It is a long deep stare like she has seen a Ghost. In this case it is a DJ Adonis. She thinks you are the goods!

Bedroom Eyes

This is that deep serious take me and just do me stare. It is penetrating and spells "I want you now!!" all over the place. She thinks you are a Stud and wants to take everything you got to give (in the bedroom of course).

Ok, that's it for the eye language reference. Use it to your advantage to interpret how a girl is feeling about you and always approach when feasible if it is a good sign.

Now back to the approach ...

Once you have caught her eye and she holding your gaze, give her a nice confident charming smile. Practice this smile! Every morning, flash this smile in the mirrior. Make it second nature. If she smiles back, you have a live one :) If she doesn't smile back and looks away without looking back again, then you don't have an interested girl.

Your approach should be subtle, patient and non-intrusive

After getting the green light, don't rush to get into her space. Patience is sexy. Slowly make your way to her area while looking at things in between (at the mall) or talking with someone for a few minutes (at the club or party) before getting closer. Remember, your approach should be un-intrusive. She already knows you like her enough to approach her, so she is casually putting herself in your space as well (or not moving too far from you). Girls have a sixth sense for this stuff, and upon liking a guy, they will remain on your radar hoping you will approach.

A good conversationalist asks you questions about yourself, so they can keep on talking about you

Upon approaching, just say "Hi" with a pleasant smile. After she says "Hi" back, ask her opinion on something; Here are some examples:

---At the club---
Your opener: "What do you think of the band (or DJ) tonight?"

---At the Mall---
Your opener: "What do you think about these/this (clothing, product, accessory etc.)"?

Use your imagination. By asking her opinion about something right away shows you have some curiousity in her and are willing to place value on what she thinks. Everyone likes to feel important, this is the best way to get her attention and getting her talking about something. Not too mention, this is a good way to get her started trying to impress you with her knowledge and style.

After she answers your question, let her ask you a question (and she will :)). Remember, she has some curiousity about you too, afterall, this DJ approached her in the most calm, sexy and confident manner she has seen in more than a long time (after getting a good non-verbal signal from her). It has been said by many girls time and time again that:

A sexy guy is one who is really comfortable in his own skin

To most girls, this IS confidence. If you come off as nervous or awkward, this will be interpreted by her as unsure of yourself, whether you like it or not. To her, you are inexperienced and wouldn't know what to do with her if you had her.

Let the conversation flow naturally from here on out. Don't force anything, and don't give her a direct compliment in this first conversation as it will come across as you trying to get something from her. It wouldn't be geniune because you don't know her enough yet. Some girls do like to be told they're beautiful though, and while this works from time to time, is best not too place so much emphasis on that right away.

Ask her some more general questions about what her job entails. Don't ask her where she works, but what she does for a living. By doing this, you'll get her to trust you more and she'll most likely tell you where she works after this. Girls have big trust issue with guys they don't know. It is important to get as much trust as possible in a short amount of time so that she doesn't flake out when planning a date. She has to view you as a confident and responsible guy who knows what he likes. You're leading the conversation in a way that benefits you in getting more information you can use later. Find things in common you may have and talk about those things for a bit also. She needs to identify with you and know that you can be fun to hang out with.

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Do not get the number, but get the date right away instead

When wrapping up the conversation, you should appear to be busy with things to do, places to go and other people to see. She should be pleased that a great guy like you took time out of his day to recognize her and show an avid interest in her. If she is feeling this way, then your job is done and is time to make the date now!. Make it a simple lunch/coffee date to start with. Agree on a time and place that works well for both of you, preferrably a place you both know. Remember, she doesn't know you that well yet. She'll be much more inclined to agree to a lunch/coffee date as opposed to a club night out with a guy she's only known for 20 minutes. Girls may agree to that date too, but will flake out like yesterday's snow storm. Getting the date now also means that you have a reason to get her number. It will give you way of contacting her if for some reason you can't meet her for lunch. Ask her for the number like this "What is your number in case something comes up". This is all you need to say.

If she agrees to the date, then you have her word (or should) that she'll be there. You won't have to worry about flaking. If she does happen to flake, then she most likely would have anyway no matter what you did. Getting the lunch date up front is the best way to go as she now has an investment in you and agreed to that. Any girl worth her salt will hold up her end of the deal.

Get used to making this small talk with people so you can learn how to use that information to your advantage later. It's all about finding common ground and making things convenient for both of you while establishing trust.
 

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Hey man...I like your post. I know you are also way ahead of me in the game.

But you said...

"A cold approach should not be awkward, too obvious, or intrusive! Instead, your approach should be casual, warm and friendly. You should only approach girls that first show a non-verbal sign of interest, whether it be at a club, party, or the mall. It's a win/win situation as you are considerably reducing a potential rejection and not looking like a desparate sap who goes up to every girl he sees. You are approaching her in a mature and classy manner knowing she finds you attractive"

No...I disagree. Approach any girl you find attractive, regardless of whether she feels the same. The goal here is to PRACTICE getting comfortable around women. You can't expect some dude who has never approached to be completely unawkward or obvious when he first does it.

I had a real fear of walking up to random women, and yes the first few interactions were awkward. But as I kept approaching more, i slowly became more comfortable and confident around them. I did not care if they rejected me anymore because I took that as a learning experience. I just got my first number close the other day from a cold approach, and everything I did was what you described as classy and mature...BUT...it took me 15 failed approaches to get to that level.

Desperate? Pathetic? I don't think so.
My mindset...
1. Nothing I say or do barring sexually, verbally, or physically harrassing her is desperate.
2. Hot women WANT to get approached...even if she rejects me she is still flattered that I had the balls to approach her.
3. The more pathetic and desperate thing to do would be to stay home and jerk off to porn and never approach beautiful women.

At any rate...even if you get rejected on a cold approach you'll never have to see that women again so why not take a chance?
 

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I hear ya about the practice. My suggestion would be to practice talking to girls at checkouts (the clerks) etc. Practice flirting and starting convos where she responds favorably.

I should be more specific ..don't be hitting on every girl at the club as many will see you as desparate. The more clever ones will steer clear thinking you're either a player, a desparate schmuck or one in the same.

I'd personally wait for a good non-verbal signal. If you are good at reading them, why risk a rejection? Taking a more calculated approach based on good body and eye language skills can greatly improve your successes and without alot of the rejections in-between. Subconsciously, every rejection has to have some toll on you when really liking the girl.
 

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tmpgstx said:
I hear ya about the practice. My suggestion would be to practice talking to girls at checkouts (the clerks) etc. Practice flirting and starting convos where she responds favorably.

I should be more specific ..don't be hitting on every girl at the club as many will see you as desparate. The more clever ones will steer clear thinking you're either a player, a desparate schmuck or one in the same.

I'd personally wait for a good non-verbal signal. If you are good at reading them, why risk a rejection? Taking a more calculated approach based on good body and eye language skills can greatly improve your successes and without alot of the rejections in-between. Subconsciously, every rejection has to have some toll on you when really liking the girl.
I can see where your advice would work in the club...work the crowd and build social proof. Then find a girl who is vibing you and work from there.

You seem to worry a lot about being rejected, though. Why is this such a bad thing. Remember, "rejection is better than regret"

Girls won't always give you direct eye contact. Im a decent looking guy, been told im very good looking by some people. In a normal course of my day I hardly catch ANY woman (ugly to super hot) blatantly check me out or make eye contact. Does that mean I should never approach because I should assume they think Im some ugly troll that has no chance in hell with them?

No! If i see a woman i like, IOI or no IOI, im gonna approach. Ive gotten favorable responses from girls that gave me no signals so Ive learned to not rely on it.
 

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Yeah, think it is what works best for you. I'm not good with handling rejection, so for me, reducing it and making a worthwhile approach will get me an already interested (or at least somewhat interested) girl. This also helps weed out approaching girls with serious boyfriends.

I know what you mean about that eye contact, that's why i put in the eye language reference. You usually get at least one or more of these looks described in the reference. If they show the disdain look from the beginning, not worth it as far as i'm concerned. These girls doing this often have major insecurities and usually date the loser AFC type guys with no goals.
 

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The hardest thing for me is not rejection (that's #2) it's what to say.

I know you have to go with the flow and adapt. I'm working on this and slowly getting better.
 

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I find it easier if you are just honest. For example, last night at the fair, i told this gal she was refreshingly beautiful. There were two guys vying for her attention. Here were my comments as i whispered into her ear over the music at a beer garden. Everyone was out dancing, i was standing a ways back and stepped up after she held my gaze.

Me: "I just have to say, you're making me jealous"
Her: "Really?"
Me: "Yeah, you are refreshingly beautiful, it's nice to see"
Her: All giddy/blushing "Thanks" :)

I ducked out gracefully, and later we started talking. Nothing happened, but it was good.

It was my compliment them and leave strategy. They get thinking about you, and is no surprise are around you later curious about you.

First comment about something or ask a question. Gets it going and have fun.

Most importantly, just don't give a shyte about it.

Be assertive in a good way. I think the most important advice to take on cold approaches is to not give a shyte and be assertive, light and fun.
 

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when i first started reading this...all i could say was yes yes yes....you know your stuff man! thanks for the tips!
 

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I wanted to add something else to the post. Unless you are hideous, you will get some non-verbal signal from a receptive girl before approaching. It is your que to go and talk to her.

Guys who don't think they are that attractive will have a problem with this. You shouldn't because attraction is in the eye of the beholder. In other words, she may think you have a great Nose and think you would make kids with the cutest noses. Same goes for smile, eyes, ears and pretty-much any physical trait. One positive characteristic she likes can over-shadow everything else. In contrast, she may find you have a really ugly Nose that just bugs her something terrible and for this reason alone would not go out with you. Shallow? Yeah. It also works in your favor though just the same.

I'm sure you've heard girls say "He has the cutest <insert here>". It could be a laugh, smile or whatever.

Going up to a girl who shows no signs of interests, yet had plenty of chances to do so, is almost futile. My point is, why not optmize your approaches? There should be plenty interested girls to do that with. Afterall, aren't most girls shopping around? I think alot of them are. Trying to convince her that you are prize without any interest from her works some of the time, but you might as well be doing phone sales as you'll have about the same success rate. You become a salesman selling something that wasn't that marketable to her in the first place. Find the girls who like something you have to offer from the word 'Go', and it makes the sale much easier.

This also goes back to supply and demand and where the negative playah perception association women get come into play. The more you have to make an effort to sell your product (you), then that is percieved by most girls as low value. If you were in high demand, you wouldn't have to be trying so hard. The girl knows she had shown you some interest, therefore you are already in some demand (by her). If she finds you attractive, cute, funny or whatever, she no doubt knows that other girls must as well. You have the edge.

Create as much status and perceived demand as possible!

I think it is also safe to say that exposure breeds status. For example, Company A is able to push a product to market while Company B doesn't have the funds to do so. Company A immediately gets more status over Company B for the simple fact that people now know about Company A. Does it mean Company A has a better product, no, many times not in fact. Some of the best products never get to market for whatever reasons.

Now take the club context, you see guys you wouldn't let babysit your Dog (especially Michael Vick :)). These guys are getting the tang left and right. Why? Because they have greater exposure which goes hand in hand with status. Other girls see other girls clinging to them. He is now in demand. Girls always want what they feel is out of their reach and what other girls are getting.

If you really want to drive the girls crazy that have shown an interest in you but for some reason they won't date you. Try this. Go out to a place where you feel one of these girls are but with a gal pal. Now, act like the gal pal is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Laugh longer, smile longer at her etc. Watch these other girls start coming around trying to get your attention again. They want control back, and many times it is control over the other girl! Girls often compete for attention. Many will sleep with a guy to get that decided advantage. Only for a day or two of course.
 
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Once you have gotten to a level where you can approach attractive women, regardless of initial interest, without any anxiety, and without any fear of rejection, then approaching only those who do give you IOI's will be a walk in the park.

Just my $.02
 

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The only way to remove the fear of rejection is to welcome it with open arms. Know that eventually you're going to score no matter what and getting there and taking rejections is just a part of that process.

Before going up to your target, tell yourself "I wouldn't mind getting rejected today, it would actually be fun!". This removes all the pressure and you'll find yourself not getting rejected. Funny isn't it? You tricked your mind into wanting a rejection, so the fear of rejection was removed.

You are not telling yourself you will be rejected, but instead you are telling yourself you want to be rejected. Two totally different things.

The important thing it puts you at ease. It gives you that take it or leave it attitude.
 

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For me, the BEST advice for this is:

Better rejection than regret.
 

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I like that one alot too. For me though, it still didn't remove the fear. It makes me act, but doesn't put me at ease.

Odd as it sounds, welcoming rejection removes the fear and makes me act (for me).

I actually stole that one from good 'ole Tony Robbins. On one of his cds, says to associate pleasure to rejection. In a way, this makes some sense.

Associating more pleasure to rejection than the girl, puts rejection on a pedestal, not the girl! You don't get the rejection, but the girl.
 

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True on the better rejection than regret.

But don't make it seem as if life was just about approach approach approach.

A 100% surefire way to become a social robot is to go out every day thinking "Ok I need to do 10 approaches today..."

It's a good place to start to get over your anxieties, but will lead nowhere quick.

You see a girl that is hot, or sparks something to you, approach her.

A girl gives you IOI and she seems interesting, approach her.
 

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Met this girl at a bookstore where I frequent. I actually did the cold approach by asking her opinion on something I just read. After a few minutes of small talk and introduction, I told her how I appreciate her opinion and left.

After a couple of weeks, I was at the same bookstore sitting in one of the leather chairs and was into a book. I did not notice her until she came up to me said HI and sat next to me. We talked about anything, laughed at anything, and basically had a great time.
So asking her opinion on a cold approach does work .. i knew it did :)
 
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