Accension's Social System

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A comprehensive guide to socialising by Accension.

Socialising is a complex system that's more structured than you may think, and just like any system, it can be exploited by the creative few that understand it.
After reading this guide, you may become misanthropic, so I ask you: Do you really want to know?

The circle
When humans come together, a circle naturally forms and this circle is a huge indicator of an individual's place in the group.
Typically, different areas of the circle will either be hot or cold.

Those in the cold area of the circle will look towards the hot area.
The hot area contains the producers of the group, those of highest status.
These producers are paralleled by the leechers and followed by the contributors who tend to be in the middle of the action.

A lot of people wonder why they're always towards the end of a group of friends traveling or ahead of them - this is why.
They are low status leechers circling the outside of the gooey centre.

It's also interesting to note that the attention whor3s or try hards are commonly contributors and so stick in the middle where the attention of the producers and leechers lies.

By this point, you're probably classified as a leecher, yet you feel as if you contribute from now and then.
I'll give you an example of why this isn't the case.

Let's say you contribute an idea to go to the movies.
The group looks at you and the contributors add to it but the producer would rather eat lunch first.
The contributors order their lunch and so do you.

Notice that when you contributed your idea, your position became as hot as a contributor by not leeching, but you still weren't hot enough to produce your idea.
Even if a leecher contributes an original idea to the group, this is rare as they tend to just contribute to a contributers idea. That is, they leech off a contributers idea.

You now understand the fundamental system in place and we can begin to exploit it!

Pre-established order
From the moment you participate in a group, your role very much determines your status; therefore, you can become a producer simply by changing your role.
However, watch out this will anger everyone.

Have you ever had more than one person try talk to you at once?
This will happen a lot when you're first establishing who you are, and it's very important to both play your roll well and play their role well.

This means that as a producer you obviously have to produce other people and not fall victim to being produced yourself.

It's also beneficial to establish yourself as the producer before the circle forms.
It's harder to break pre-established order.

The producer
At their very core they do the producing and so cannot be produced.

Have you ever had someone kind of question you.
A contributer asks you are you really eating that?
Note that the contributer has elevated his status to a producer and has brought you down to their level.

This is why people bully!
It's uncommon for a leecher to try this, but if you suddenly become a contributer out of no where, I'm sure they'd try bring you down in this exact way.

Another producer looks at your sandwich, yeah that's disgusting.
You'd think that by the producer producing too, it'd all be red.
However, he has just agreed with the status change of the contributer to producer and so has become a contributer himself.

His job is to produce and keep this from happening.
You were already higher status than the contributer trying to bring you down and so only needed to say, "Yeah, my sandwich is awesome STFU."

Producers can agree with status shifts from time to time but if they often do it, they'll find that they become contributers.
This brings me to another point, contributers like to play producer by putting the leechers down and getting cheap acknowledgements from the producers.

Exploit
It's time to make it happen.

The producer realizes two things:
  1. Every group member wants the appraisal of the producers and thus the whole group.
  2. In a two person conversation there can only be two roles. Producer and contributer or leech.
Therefore, treat every group conversation as multiple two person conversations and play the role of a producer.
Think about what this means and why it works because all producers use this and understand it.

It might look a little something like this.

Girl: Yeah, you wish you could get me.
The girl smiles at her friends.

You: Rub her head, I wish -- I could get you....
Mocking girl. You barely notice her friends.

Girl: Laughing, stop it, stop it.
Feels embarrassed in front of her friends.

If you took her little attempt at producing seriously, you'd end up tickled pink.
Not to mention, you're so obviously the producer as you take little notice of the leeching friends while she felt the need to perform for them (as all people do).

Next time you're socialising, ask yourself: what role am I playing?


 

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whats the dif between a contributer and leecher?

Producers are pretty much the alpha person in the group holding on to all the power. What is the distinction between the other two?

edit: nevermind I think I get it. the contributers are basically the producers' biaatches and agree with anything the alpha producer male/female says. We are leechers because we are all improving ourselves so the contributers and producers bring us down because they don't want to lose their status as higher than us. Is that right? interesting way to see it...

so if we want to become a producer if we were leechers for a while in a group of friends. Am i supposed to bring down the contributers first or the producers? Or is it take small hits on the contributers and producers at the same time?
 

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ssj4halo said:
whats the dif between a contributer and leecher?

Producers are pretty much the alpha person in the group holding on to all the power. What is the distinction between the other two?

edit: nevermind I think I get it. the contributers are basically the producers' biaatches and agree with anything the alpha producer male/female says. We are leechers because we are all improving ourselves so the contributers and producers bring us down because they don't want to lose their status as higher than us. Is that right? interesting way to see it...

so if we want to become a producer if we were leechers for a while in a group of friends. Am i supposed to bring down the contributers first or the producers? Or is it take small hits on the contributers and producers at the same time?
You're making an already complicated idea even more complicated.
These are not static roles.
At any given time someone may be leeching, contributing or producing, but what one does most is their role.

Contributors tend to contribute original ideas to the group and the leecher will leach of that idea.

Let's say I suggest dating Rochelle and another chimes in she's hot. That person is leeching and is often afraid to contribute original ideas incase the group doesn't accept them.

In our example, the leecher probably thought dating Rochelle was always a good idea, but was probably afraid of the producer saying she's ugly or something stupid.

While bringing people down seems like a good way to become a producer, their real job is evaluation.
People look to them when an idea is suggested to see if it will be accepted (look out for this happening).

If you want to be a producer, treat every reply to someone as a one-on-one conversation.
That way you're not trying to gain the approval of the group (leecher/contributer), but are producing ideas independantly - it's a very 'alpha' thing to do.

To become a producer, you have to become a contributor first, but produce your own contributions. It's a subtle distinction, but once you're a free agent you are, infact, a producer.
 
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Accension said:
You're making an already complicated idea even more complicated.
These are not static roles.
At any given time someone may be leeching, contributing or producing, but what one does most is their role.

Contributors tend to contribute original ideas to the group and the leecher will leach of that idea.

Let's say I suggest dating Rochelle and another chimes in she's hot. That person is leeching and is often afraid to contribute original ideas incase the group doesn't accept them.

In our example, the leecher probably thought dating Rochelle was always a good idea, but was probably afraid of the producer saying she's ugly or something stupid.

While bringing people down seems like a good way to become a producer, their real job is evaluation.
People look to them when an idea is suggested to see if it will be accepted (look out for this happening).

If you want to be a producer, treat every reply to someone as a one-on-one conversation.
That way you're not trying to gain the approval of the group (leecher/contributer), but are producing ideas independantly - it's a very 'alpha' thing to do.

To become a producer, you have to become a contributer first, but produce your own contributions. It's a subtle distinction, but once you're a free agent you are, infact, a producer.
This is interesting, thanks for posting! +rep

Ok can I get this clear in my head. Your talking about social dynamics in groups.

Provider = ALPHA of the group (every man wants to be the alpha etc - gets the pick of the girls and is looked upon as the leader)
Contributer = Middle man (Beta or approval seeker he just gets the alphas left overs or the low quality girls)
Leecher = The bottom of the group (The Omega (i.e. the one that doesn't get any girls in the survival of the fittest sense his genes are wiped out)

So for example we have group a that consists of 3 people (a+b+c)

Person A; brings up a subject for example " look at that girl infront shes a hot piece of ass ... I wonder if she is single..." [or whatever implying a girl infront of the group is hot" thus person A is contributing to the social group by bringing about a topic for conversation - hes also put his neck on the line incase the others think the girl in question isnt really that hot. ALSO NOTE that the topic of conversation is not to a single person but to a group as a whole - ]

Person B; says "Yeh shes hot." [Here hes leeching from the contributor, hes just regurgitating what has already been said, he has not contributed anything original he is afraid he might be rebukked (if he came out with what person A said first) and is instead seeking approval by going with the status-quo. ]

Person C; says "Careful person A she is already going out with my brother" [This is said directly to Person A and not said to the group - here he is contributing his own original idea [the idea he should not make any moves on the girl] but instead talks directly to a person rather than the group hence he is a producer and he also is not seeiking approval.

Have I got it? I know its a crap example for a conversation lol but its first thing that came to my head.
 

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shadowfox said:
This is interesting, thanks for posting! +rep

Ok can I get this clear in my head. Your talking about social dynamics in groups.

Provider = ALPHA of the group (every man wants to be the alpha etc - gets the pick of the girls and is looked upon as the leader)
Contributer = Middle man (Beta or approval seeker he just gets the alphas left overs or the low quality girls)
Leecher = The bottom of the group (The Omega (i.e. the one that doesn't get any girls in the survival of the fittest sense his genes are wiped out)

So for example we have group a that consists of 3 people (a+b+c)

Person A; brings up a subject for example " look at that girl infront shes a hot piece of ass ... I wonder if she is single..." [or whatever implying a girl infront of the group is hot" thus person A is contributing to the social group by bringing about a topic for conversation - hes also put his neck on the line incase the others think the girl in question isnt really that hot. ALSO NOTE that the topic of conversation is not to a single person but to a group as a whole - ]

Person B; says "Yeh shes hot." [Here hes leeching from the contributor, hes just regurgitating what has already been said, he has not contributed anything original he is afraid he might be rebukked (if he came out with what person A said first) and is instead seeking approval by going with the status-quo. ]

Person C; says "Careful person A she is already going out with my brother" [This is said directly to Person A and not said to the group - here he is contributing his own original idea [the idea he should not make any moves on the girl] but instead talks directly to a person rather than the group hence he is a producer and he also is not seeiking approval.

Have I got it? I know its a crap example for a conversation lol but its first thing that came to my head.
You've absolutely nailed it man!

However, I'd just like to clarify that contributing isn't a bad thing, but you musn't be contributing to gain the approval of the group (you got this).
I mean, alphas contribute all the time but the groups reaction to it is as if it's already been produced.

So in a way, the entire group will become leechers when an alpha contributes and only the daring ones will try question it (other producers/alphas).
 

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Interesting read.

Any chance you can write a guide on joining or creating social circles?

For some reason I'm terrible at group socializing and my interactions are usually just me and a girl. I don't think I've ever met the friends of a girl that I spent time with. In the past 5 years I've only had one friend at a time and that was whatever girl I was hanging out with for that time period.
 

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Maxtro said:
Interesting read.

Any chance you can write a guide on joining or creating social circles?

For some reason I'm terrible at group socializing and my interactions are usually just me and a girl. I don't think I've ever met the friends of a girl that I spent time with. In the past 5 years I've only had one friend at a time and that was whatever girl I was hanging out with for that time period.
For the most part, it's just being in social situations, but I'm working on this one - give me time. I do a lot of field stuff to prove this.
 

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Thanks man. Take all the time you need. I'm looking forward to it.

It would helpful if you're able to use not knowing anybody as a starting point.
 

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Never thought of it that way, that's pretty sick.

Has anyone else ever noticed that they get 'picked on' quite a lot in a group...not in a bullying way, just like, as a laugh, and they're all your mates, but there's always a couple of people that get picked on as jokes, and then a few fringe members who people dont actually like. I used to be one of the 'picked on' ones...not been a fringe member so I'm lucky now.

I guess in your example I used to be a leecher, just cos of my personality, i was quite quiet nd shy. But now, because of lots of things, including this forum, I'm becoming more of a contributor, and I'm definitley having lots of moments where i guess i'd be the 'producer'. Like I held a party at mine on saturday which was pretty legendary...although a few of my mates found my parents sex toys, that was awkward :L. Would doin things like holding parties, where you control the situation, be a 'producer' thing to do?

Cool post though, enjoyed reading it.
 

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MikeyDJ said:
Never thought of it that way, that's pretty sick.

Has anyone else ever noticed that they get 'picked on' quite a lot in a group...not in a bullying way, just like, as a laugh, and they're all your mates, but there's always a couple of people that get picked on as jokes, and then a few fringe members who people dont actually like. I used to be one of the 'picked on' ones...not been a fringe member so I'm lucky now.

I guess in your example I used to be a leecher, just cos of my personality, i was quite quiet nd shy. But now, because of lots of things, including this forum, I'm becoming more of a contributor, and I'm definitley having lots of moments where i guess i'd be the 'producer'. Like I held a party at mine on saturday which was pretty legendary...although a few of my mates found my parents sex toys, that was awkward :L. Would doin things like holding parties, where you control the situation, be a 'producer' thing to do?

Cool post though, enjoyed reading it.
Watching people get passed around the group as the 'laugh token' was part of the inspiration behind this.
I just started noticing people's status in groups and questioned it.

You'll find that you're pretty much always the producer in your own home, and if you're not, no one respects you.
If someone didn't respect me in my house or the house itself, I'd tell them to go home -- should they not leave, punch them in the face as they're now trespassing.

Even if you share your home, your bedroom should be your palace.
 

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Yeah that makes sense. My mate ended up sleepin in my room cos he felt ill, but overall yeah i was the 'producer.' I mean my mates were tryin to stop me doin stuff with the girls cos they know what I'm like when I'm pissed, but that's fair enough and I would have regretted it anyways :L
 
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