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Anti-Dump

07-09-2000, 08:09 PM

'The Don Juan Pledge of Honor'

I am a Don Juan. I promise on my honor I will never call a girl in less than four days.
I assure my fellow Don Juans I will always faithfully ask for the number and will never walkaway from a girl without it.

I will always be loyal to the Law of Interest. I will make sure she is really interested. She will give me a decisive 'yes' when I ask her out. I will accept NO LESS from her.

I promise with the greatest sincerity I will never go back with an EX. No matter how much she begs me.

I will accept full responsibility for getting myself in the 'Friend Zone' because I talked too much on the phone and waited seven months to ask her out.

I pledge to never reveal the true me for the first two months and give her only bits and pieces about my self. The Law of Mystery forbids it.

I am a Don Juan. I do not stay in bad relationships. I do not date women who give me alot of trouble.

I am a Don Juan. That's why I am happy.

Vassago

07-09-2000, 09:43 PM

I think all of these are EXCELLENT points, but the four days thing kills me. EVERYONE waits a few days now. I believe it is of UTMOST importence to seperate yourself from other guys. I usually call the very next day unless Im busy, and girls appeciate the fact that I dont mess around and try to come of like I dont care. The reason I don't have to try to come off like I dont care is because deep down inside, I can HONESTLY say I dont care, and the girls can pick up on that.

Commments welcome.

Devlar

07-09-2000, 09:44 PM

Oh Dear God!

dyme

07-09-2000, 10:02 PM

I fully accept that pledge AD. Vassago, you should not call so early.

Joshua_Black

07-10-2000, 12:19 AM

I'm a fresh member, but I'll gladly accept that pledge.

SuperM

07-10-2000, 12:27 AM

Good post... only one question A-D...

I'm trying to get the mystery thing down, but I don't think I'm doing it right. I don't give out much info about myself(how I really am) unless they ask me and even then I try to give vague answers.

A lot of women I talk to tend to feel comfortable around me and they talk about personal things. Then they expect me to share the same thing about myself, but I don't do it in order to be mysterious(and then they wonder why I don't talk much about certain things). Is this helping or hurting me?

Etoile

07-10-2000, 03:24 AM

Originally posted by Vassago:
I think all of these are EXCELLENT points, but the four days thing kills me. EVERYONE waits a few days now. I believe it is of UTMOST importence to seperate yourself from other guys.

i agree w/ vassago since the 4 day thing got old now and we now KNOW that you are "planning" to wait the 4,5,6..days not because you have the "i don't care" attitude, only because everyone play these games.
To be honest w/you AD, i appreciate if a man calls me the very next day cuz, like vassago mentioned, it will seperate him from the other guys, and also it will be a nice surprise for most women since after 4 days, if the telephone rings, we'll know it was him/you.
thank you

tomazu

07-10-2000, 06:19 AM

as always AD you make some excellent observations and points. Normally I fully agree with all of your advice, but this time I have to add a little thing -> sometimes you have to play the situation as it unfolds.. playing those situations right is what makes you a true don juan. sure, you can wait 4 days to call her.. but maybe you just have little time the other days and/or it doesnt fit your schedule etc.

you take full responsability for getting in the friendszone.. I like it that you take the responsability, but there are some very fine women out there who strongly believe you have to be friends first and only then advance!

but I find those things a very good guide, sometimes you just have to play things as they unfold.. that's life :-D

ciao tomazu

Mr Smooth Jr

07-10-2000, 10:47 AM

What the he!!? Pledge of Honor? Must we all memorize this or something? Screw it, just go out there and get the chick, to he!! with a pledge of honor.

I MAKE NO EXCUSES FOR MY DESIRES AS A MAN. I LIKE TO FUC* WOMEN. end of story......

Dont get me wrong, the pledge of honor was nice.

MaMo

07-10-2000, 02:17 PM

"Screw it, just go out there and get the chick, to he!! with a pledge of honor."

"Dont get me wrong, the pledge of honor was nice"

haha, Mr. Smooth you make me laugh http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/smile.gif

Vassago

07-10-2000, 09:23 PM

Thanks for the tip Dyme http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/smile.gif

I fully accept that pledge AD. Vassago, you should not call so early. [/QUOTE]

terminator911

07-10-2000, 09:49 PM

If you call the next day, it will make you look desperate... that's just my opinion.

Good pledge.

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"Women. They've got half the money in the world and all the pu$$y."

Anti-Dump

07-10-2000, 10:01 PM

Originally posted by terminator911:
If you call the next day, it will make you look desperate... that's just my opinion.

Good pledge.

Of course. You are telling the woman you have no other girls in your life.
That you are a lonely guy and that you have no LIFE! She must wonder if she will be the one you ask out next week. YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT AND COMPARE HER TO OTHER WOMEN and make a decision. That's what she must think.

AD

Vassago

07-10-2000, 10:15 PM

++++Lets not get into a huge discussion (I bet you are surprised to here that from me eh?), but this is not the case with me. When women meet me, they can tell by talking to me that Im not desperate and that I do well with women. If I get a girls #, its because I like them and I want to see them again. They know it and I know it. I dont have to wait to call because I have already proven to them that Im not desperate by the way I act when we meet. Think about it...Have you ever met a guy and just known that he must pull a ton of girls? Its all about the presence you set. When I call the next day, she doesnt say to herself, "This is a desperate man", she says to herself, "This is a man of action. He has no time for bull**** games because he knows what he wants and goes for it." This also discourages them from playing games with you, and that's always nice!

This is a field tested technique but the only reason it works is because deep down inside Im not desperate and Im not needy, so I dont have to fake it. Im not the guy who PRETENDS no to be desperate, I AM the guy who ISNT desperate. Big difference. http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/smile.gif

Vassago

07-10-2000, 10:19 PM

This is not a flame. I dont know why there is a flame thing in front of the post but Im kind of insulted.

Hidden-Danjer

07-10-2000, 10:45 PM

Originally posted by Vassago:
This is not a flame. I dont know why there is a flame thing in front of the post but Im kind of insulted.

Vassago,

That flame icon appearsin front of any post that has more than 12 replys. Nuthin' you said.

Actually, after giving that last reply a good read and a good bit of thought I've realised just how true that is.

-One of the best posts I have read in a while mattey (well done)

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*Hidden-Danjer* -Top english geezer

And you better believe it matey! :)

Crazyman

07-11-2000, 01:12 AM

Vassago made a very good point if you have balls it does not matter when you ask . just the fact that you are not desperate.

I would also add the subtext that i picked you to have a date with over everyone else that i know. HINT Pick date in the relatively distant future (2 weeks from the day you call for the date).

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Fear is seductive.
Don`t let it be the love of your life

Vassago

07-11-2000, 11:16 PM

[B]Vassago made a very good point if you have balls it does not matter when you ask . just the fact that you are not desperate.

I would also add the subtext that i picked you to have a date with over everyone else that i know. HINT Pick date in the relatively distant future (2 weeks from the day you call for the date).

++++I would go a step further and plan the date within 2-3 days from the day you call. You gotta hit the iron while its hot!

Devlar

07-12-2000, 01:50 AM

I will call a woman the day after i meet her, i'm not a playa and i sure as hell don't want to be.

I want her to feel as if she can be comfortable around me, and one way to do that is show her your not whoring yourself around.

If your a big time playa go ahead and phone 3 days later, follow the crowd and watch yourself crash and burn. If you want to prove to a woman that you find her more special than the rest do what you think is right and phone the next day.

Romantic #1
The Devlar

PENZILLA

07-12-2000, 03:47 AM

Not bad!
It's not just a pledge but a GOOD AFFIRMATION!
I guess 4 days is kinda acceptable. But to me it depends, so it's 3-4 days to me.

-PENZILLA http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/cool.gif

Anjo_das_Trevas

07-12-2000, 08:04 AM

Originally posted by Devlar:
I will call a woman the day after i meet her, i'm not a playa and i sure as hell don't want to be.

I want her to feel as if she can be comfortable around me, and one way to do that is show her your not whoring yourself around.

If your a big time playa go ahead and phone 3 days later, follow the crowd and watch yourself crash and burn. If you want to prove to a woman that you find her more special than the rest do what you think is right and phone the next day.

Romantic #1
The Devlar

Hi Devlar, i think AD is right, we guys should'nt call them too soon cuz they will think we are "nice guys", it's our sentence of death. Believe me man, i've met this girl on the net and she gave me her # as if she was testing me, the very next day i called her and stayed on the phone alot, i think i've ****ed my chances badly by doing that. The later the better, otherwise she will think you have no one in your life, she will think that you are very easy and offer no challenge to her. The pledge is one of a truly DJ.

Anjo_das_Trevas

07-12-2000, 08:12 AM

AD what's the period of days between a guy receiving a # and calling the girl? i'm asking cuz i screwed up once very badly. I met the girl, she gave me the # and the very next i was calling her and talking 1 hour on the phone. In the end there was nothing left to say. What can a guy do in a situation like this one. What can i do to finish the call quickly without being rude?

The pledge is one of a truly DJ. http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/wink.gif

Anti-Dump

07-12-2000, 06:05 PM

Anjo,

You call a MINIMUM of four days.

Your only calling days are monday, tuesday, wednesday. NEVER call thursday thru sunday. She will have made plans for the week end. Trips, aunts flying in, etc.

This is simple. If you get a number on your calling days call the FOLLOWING week. If you get a number on THURS thru SATURDAY call the FOLLOWING week. If you get a number on sunday, call wednesday. Wednesday is only three days but you probably won't get many numbers on that day.
This is not science. It is an art.

Planning your calls is good for you because it teaches you to SLOW DOWN.
The slower you go in dating the easier it is to AVOID the traps. You know the saying, 'fools rush in'.

The girl will wait if she truely likes you. If she gets mad, this is good. You find out who is a b***h and who is not.

About getting off the phone fast. Your purpose for calling is NOT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION! It is to SET UP a date. Say 'this is Anjo, we met at the Joe's Place. Let's do dinner on saturday. I'll pick you up at 8:00PM. What's your address?.'

After you get the address, say 'That's great. See you saturday. Goodnight.'And HANG UP.

You are not being RUDE! You are giving her a date and she is LUCKY she got one from you. Why? Because you had two other girls to choose from!

AD

Vassago

07-12-2000, 07:43 PM

How successful is this method in the field?

Anti-Dump

07-12-2000, 08:14 PM

Vassago,

What you really mean has it ever failed? Like anything else it doesn't always work.

Here are two failures:

I called one womean after four days and she said she was sick and didn't think she would be well enough for saturday. I called seven days later and she said her daughter was coming home from college and wanted to spend time with her. I decided to break my rule about two calls and called a third time one week later.

She said she was going on a trip to Florida with her girlfriend. It was all true. We were introduced by a friend. Her plans were made months ago.

She never said 'how about next tuesday' or offered another day. So I judged her interest level to be very low. I NEVER CALLED BACK.

About two weeks later she called and left this message: John, it's Nancy, I'm Baaaaaaacckkkkkkk!. I never laughed so hard in my life.

So you see nothing is perfect.

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I called another woman after four days and said "let's see a movie saturday". She said 'I have to be in the MOOD for a movie.'. I gave her a chance (because normally I don't accept a changed date.) I found her to be BORING and dropped her after two dates.

It didn't work several times BUT I DIDN'T GET STUCK with women who weren't interested. So in a way I WON the battle. Most guys would have hung in there pulling their hair out.

Other than that I have had not many problems.

Is that good enought for a field report Vassago? I bet you thought I wouldn't tell you about it NOT WORKING. He,he,he!!! So there!

AD

Austin Powers

07-12-2000, 10:37 PM

I have no input, I just felt like posting http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/wink.gif

[This message has been edited by Austin Powers (edited 07-12-2000).]

Vassago

07-13-2000, 11:09 PM

I should have been more specific. The four day thing is your own style and that might work on some women and it might not, I used to wait four days so I know it's hit or miss, but enough about that.

What I wanted to know was if calling them up and just saying,

"This is AD, we met at the Joe's Place. Let's do dinner on saturday. I'll pick you up at 8:00PM. What's your address?."

gets you alot of dates. I agree that you shouldn't spend alot of time on the phone, but this seems kind of ridiculous.

Crazyman

07-14-2000, 12:34 AM

I mean that you should call in 2 or 3 days to arange a date 1-2 weeks in advance. Reason you are busy you have you own life to run.

Get your own style for everything don't be a sheep blindly following the herd. Poinless rules are meant to be broken.

I think having a short conversation about the last couple of days and plans for the next few would help the setting of the date and indicate how busy she is.

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Fear is seductive.
Don`t let it be the love of your life

Don_090

07-15-2000, 08:24 PM

I agree A-D, I hope everyone reads that and takes it, lol, yeah!

The Hunter

07-15-2000, 10:36 PM

Well, I agree. It's a great pledge. But I too must question the value of a 4 day absolute. If this is a truly good looking woman you're trying to hook up with, don't you think plenty of other guys are hittin on her too. Supply and demand. And even though I'm a good lookin guy, I'm not the only shark in the tank. Waiting a full 4 days may make you miss an opportunity cause the early bird got worm... Calling her the next day is obvioulsy desperation. But if she's real hot, I wouldn't be adverse to calling 3 days or even 2 as long as I sound like I don't give a sh!t if she says yes or not when I call...

NEANDERTHAL SUPERSOLDIER

07-13-2001, 11:10 PM

Since i am in tonight and bored not to mention the quality of the board is lacking, how about this discussion get BUMPED.

ACTION

07-20-2001, 11:29 AM

Originally posted by Mr Smooth Jr:
I MAKE NO EXCUSES FOR MY DESIRES AS A MAN. I LIKE TO FUC* WOMEN. end of story......

HOLY FUKK! You must be my clone or something!

(Like I say, just because you wanna bang bytches doesn't make you a bad person.)

Pimpologist

07-22-2001, 04:49 AM

It depends on the type of woman she seems like but I usually call b/w 2-4 days after getting the #. I NEVER call the very next day no matter how goodlooking she is or how well the intitial approach/convo. went.

Sunday night through wednesday are my calling days...I don't call for dates thur-sat. Remember that the first phone call is like the first face to face approach...you have to make a good impression. A short 15 second call where the only thing you talk about is will we or where should we meet just won't cut it. Esp. after the effort you used to approach and get her #.

Women will give you never-ending tests...that is just what they do naturally. All you have to do is figure out when it is you are being tested (which is virtually all the time with some women)and respond accordingly. Once you get familiar with this subconscious act women do, you will find yourself testing her for your interest.

syncmaster

07-23-2001, 05:46 PM

I accept the pledge full heartedly.

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Syncmaster signing out.
a.k.a ... Adam

Keymaster of Goza

12-06-2001, 03:28 AM

bump

BigBill

12-06-2001, 05:03 AM

Well well

we have an interesting debate about call-back times. Nice to see one with real ideas and thought behind it other than

'but Doc Love always says...!'

I get tons of numbers and I usually wait three days. I have hit and miss success. I've tried the Doc Love wait a week thing and that hasn't worked out, and I used to always call the next day if at all and that didnt go well either.

That was before I started becoming a DJ though. I'm going to go ahead and give Vassago's suggestion a try though. Instead of going out of my way to PROVE I'm not some needy, desperate little turd I'm just going to assume that since I'm not, the chick can sense that too and speed things up a little.

I should have some good practice time as soon as school finals are over.

Kalen

06-04-2003, 07:43 PM

I found this and i just couldnt let it stay at the bottom. This is great stuff!!

So Bump!

Vassago

06-05-2003, 12:55 AM

Yeah just make sure you ignore the crap by Anti Dump!

See what I had to deal with back in the days guys? :)

Ofus

06-05-2003, 02:44 AM

I actually taught Anti-Dump everything he knows about women.

Act!on

06-05-2003, 04:47 AM

Originally posted by ACTION
HOLY FUKK! You must be my clone or something!

(Like I say, just because you wanna bang bytches doesn't make you a bad person.) .

no...YOU MUST BE MY CLONE

wtf....ACTION?

-Act!on

xanderbaz

06-05-2003, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by Etoile
...we now KNOW that you are "planning" to wait the 4,5,6..days not because you have the "i don't care" attitude, only because everyone play these games.

It's amazing how women are suddenly claiming that WE are the ones playing games... I don't need to explain WHY we do it, because many already have in this thread, but it just seemed like the biggest, most ironic hipocrisy I've recently heard. Women are the ones playing games, not us. You (women) complain about "games" and jerks and similar things, but you all know deep down that those are the things you love when it comes to us. And here we all know what happens to people following and sucking up to your likes and dislikes... AFCdom.
Go DJs!

Ofus

06-08-2003, 12:20 AM

Originally posted by Etoile
i agree w/ vassago since the 4 day thing got old now and we now KNOW that you are "planning" to wait the 4,5,6..days

No, they don't.

When we don't call, they don't know whats going on. They don't know if we're waiting a few days to call, because they don't know for sure that we'll EVER call.

comic_relief

04-25-2004, 11:27 PM

I was looking at some old posts and found this gem. You newbies need to read this.

bump

Crank_It_Up

05-02-2004, 08:30 PM

the pledge sucks as do most of the little dweebs that follow it... a real don juan doesn't give a fvck about a timetable as to when he calls a girl, heck most likely he already spent the first night with her... On the other hand, playing hard to get is not such a bad idea sometimes, but not good in all cases. The inability to play it by ear, and instead, follow a certain set of rules will prohibit you from thinking for yourself, and cause you to miss out on certain girls you may have otherwise landed. All girls are not the same and the same methods will not work for every girl. Learn to think for yourself and play it by ear.

The Don Juan Pledge should read like this:

1) Rejection always sucks but I'll never let it phase me in the least. It will never discourage me from approaching another girl.

2) When in doubt about approaching a girl, or asking for a date, I will always go for it.

3) When contemplating what to do next, see rule #2

4) When dealing with a girl who is just plain not interested in me, I will move on to the next, and not waste any time.

5) Jealousy is not in my vocabulary.

6) I will be perceptive of human nature, especially women, and learn to read them better than they know themselves.

7) I will become proficient in a wide variety of sexual techniques so I will be comfortable with whichever ones are working best for that particular girl.