DJ Boot Camp - Week #4 [Archive] - Don Juan Discussion Forum

Master of the Universe

05-13-2002, 02:02 PM

DJs, we've worked on initiating and maintaining eye contact, greeting strangers, and starting up conversations with chicks... now it's time to put all our skills to use, and get us some phone number!

Purpose of this lesson: For this fourth week in the DJ Boot Camp, our goal is to overcome any fear of rejection, and build calluses against rejection. As such we are going into the field, and start collecting rejections from girls. By getting rejected, we will see that it's not the end of the world, and that in fact, it will make it easier to approach girls. Plus, we'll be getting phone numbers in the process!

Reading Material

On rejection by Paradox http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000686.html

Rejection is a natural part of becoming a DJ... but imagine if a basketball player called it quits, or whined and complained because he failed to make a basket... he'd be worthless. Rejection and failure are part of the game, accept them as stepping stones for becoming greater, instead of shackles that will forever keep you down.

Self Confidence by chicago#1 http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/001294.html

How often do we do things that are more scary than asking a girl for her phone number, things which should put the fear of God in us, but just don't phase us at all. However, when we approach that cute girl and go for the number, we're ready to pee in our pants. Well, it's about time we see things in perspective!

It hasn't been that bad by BigBill http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000706.html

Take a look at how this guy started from nothing, to slowly building himself up, to the point where he got six phone numbers in one class setting! (make sure you read through this guy's second posting on the thread)

How to Handle Rejection From Women by terminator911 http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000519.html

Rejection is part of everyday life. In fact, everyone gets rejected several times a day, but we rarely notice it, unless we read too much into it. Here are some methods to look at rejection that will help you put things into perspective.

How to get the # and split by Pimpologist http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000614.html

Here's a quick, simple, and effective phone number close!

How to "Close the Sale" 95% of the time and get that date! by Master of the Universe http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/001200.html

Here's the step-by-step procedure for getting a girl's phone number. Basically always assume that the girl will go out with you, and from there, follow the simple procedure and watch your rejection rate drop dramatically!

Exercises

All right guys, now the fun really begins!!!

We've worked on approaching girls, and initiating a conversation with them. Now it's time to put our skills to the test, and start reaping the rewards of our labors.

For this week's lesson, your mission is to go out, approach girls, and close for their phone number. However, instead of our focus being getting a certain number of phone numbers, our goal is to actually get a certain number of rejections. The reason is pretty simple... at this point, we are working on killing off our fear in asking a girl for her number.

So, for this week, we are to go out, approach girls, and go for a phone number close. We are to do this until we have been rejected a total of ten times. Believe me, the first one or two rejections might be a bit tough, but after that, it'll get easier and easier... not to mention more and more fun.

A couple of notes about this exercise...

1) Be in a playful mood when asking for her number. Don't be shy, don't be nervous. I know this sounds easier said than done, and yes, the first couple of times you probably will be shy and nervous. Heck, you'll probably be shivering, sweating, and shivering. Don't let that get to you, after a couple of number closes, you'll feel 1,000% more confident!

2) Try different closes. Experiment with different ways to get the phone numbers. You may want to try to ask her for her phone number on the pretext that the two of you can do whatever you were discussing, you can simply tell her "I have to get going, but give me your phone number, and I'll call you later," etc. The reading material above gets into detail on how to ask for the phone number... have fun with it!

3) Practice overcoming objections. Think about it, attractive women get approached all the time. In order for them to have a life at all, they develop automatic objections that they deliver to guys who ask them out. Don't let those objections get to you. In fact, as long as a girl isn't rude or even worse, apathetic, I'll try to overcome at least a few levels of objections in order to get her to give me her number.

For example, if she tells me "I have a boyfriend," I'll tell her "That's great, but I'm asking for your number, not his" or "Wow, that's wonderful.... when's the wedding?" She'll usually laugh and say that they're not planning on getting married yet. To which I reply, "Well, then it can't be THAT serious. Give me your phone number, and we'll have fun."

The point is, whatever objection she throws at you, see if you can overcome it. Believe me, it's a fantastic high when you get a girl throwing objections at you, and you slip and slide through each one! For me, at least, as long as she's smiling and enjoying the conversation, I love overcoming objections. Some girls do this to test guys, and see how you handle the situation... so come out of it on top!

4) Don't wait until the last day or two to go for your ten rejections... there's just not enough time. Instead, you might want to pace yourself, and make it a goal to go for two rejections per day until you reach your goal of ten.

Well DJs, let's go out an get rejected!!!

At the end of, or throughout, the week, keep us posted on how many phone numbers you've acquired in the process of collecting your ten rejections. Also, let's share some good laughs with each other, and tell us about the worst rejection you get. Trust me, there's no better way to get over a rejection than by laughing about it with others who can empathize with your experience.

All right DJs, let's rock!!!

Master of the Universe

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StuartScott

05-13-2002, 07:10 PM

Great assignment, unfortunately I'll be in the house for at least another week (knee surgery) so I'll have to bypass this assignment for at least a week but I have gotten numbers over the past week and 1 rejection like 2 weeks ago (my last rejection). I don't know if you can call it a rejection but here it is.

At store

Me: Whats your name

Her: Toy

Me: Are you in school (no) What high school did you go to

Her: School A

Me: Really, ain't that like on the north side of town (yeah), what brought you down here

Her: Well we moved down here bla, bla, bla

Me: Yeah? cuz I stay bla bla bla

Me: (3 second pause to see if she adds anything) So you got a boyfriend

Her: Yeah

Me: Oh yeah? What school does he go.

Her: Bla bla bla

Me: Well take care.

Her: Bye

That was basically a cold approach and I was with my friend and we walked in to the store and I saw her from the side, she didn't see me and I told my friend that I was gonna go talk to her. I didn't try any of that "boyfriend destroyer stuff" cuz I wasn't in that mood (I was wearing basketball shorts and a short and just came from playing ball), but I guess you could count it as a rejection.

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Freeheart

05-13-2002, 07:56 PM

Master of the Universe, I am so very impressed with your Boot Camp! You've put a lot of work into this -- collecting threads that are on point, adding a whole bunch of encouragement, sending your positive energy thru the net like a personal zinger for every person who reads these.

Excellent work -- some of the best stuff I've seen for newbies, and great reminders for the rest of us.

THUMBS UP! http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/cool.gif

NormalGuy

05-13-2002, 09:48 PM

Time to rock it, got started early on this assignment, somehow i skipped weeks 1 and 2 but whatever http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/smile.gif.

Keep in mind this is the first time, I've ever even attempted to talk or interact with women. Just two weeks ago, I would have run away screaming if someone told me to go up to a girl and talk with her, I was that shy. I dunno what happened but something just changed, and all of sudden I found myself not caring wtf people thought of me.

So far I'm already into 4 rejections.

Quick rundown.

Good news first http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/smile.gif

Got one date for this Wenesday with a girl, I was flirting with in the mall where I work. (first ever, and I'm in my early 20's, doh)

1st rejection: Total newbie mistake of making a cold approach (without smiling nor eye contact), the whole convo kinda petered out, and I had to bail.

2nd rejection: It was at a club, had a hard drink first to loosen me up, and made some eye contact b4 going in, managed to get a convo going, but when I asked her to dance, she told me she only dances to hip hop. I had to next her for various reasons.

3rd rejection: Cute girl working in a store, whom I was walking by, during my breaktime in the mall. I initiated the eye contact, she didn't even flinch, so I smiled at her at which point she smiled back. Went on my way, but then decided wtf, and came back to talk to her. Chatted her up a bit, and we had some good rapport, went for the close, but she couldn't give me her number because she had a boyfriend. Here's the juicy part. http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/smile.gif

me: So, how bout you give me your number and we can get together sometime.

her: Oh sorry, I can't (pouting a bit), I got a boyfriend

me: I don't care about your boyfriend.

her: she flushes a bit and just says sorry again

I'm forced to bail.

4th rejection: Went into a cellphone store with the real premise of getting info on cellphones, this chick comes up and starts selling me on the phones. I smile a lot and give her eye contact like crazy, eventually I get her to laugh a bit, but somewhere during the convo she mentions she has a boyfriend. After the last rejection, I wasn't quite ready to go blowing past that last zinger, so I bail again.

Well 6 more to go, wish me luck http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/smile.gif

StuartScott

05-14-2002, 04:49 AM

Time to separate the contenders from the pretenders

bartender

05-14-2002, 06:40 PM

just a bump

Master of the Universe

05-14-2002, 07:28 PM

StuartScott,

Hope you feel better dude!

Freeheart,

Thanks for the kind words... but I would be a liar if I didn't mention the fact that I'm getting as much benefit from this boot camp as the other participants! Again, thank you!!

NormalGuy,

You're doing great! I especially liked the situation with chick #3! Just a pointer though, it's not a rejection until she's said no, such as in chick #3.

And congratulations on your first date tomorrow! Have a blast!!!

Okay DJs, this is the week that separates the men from the boys, so let's get those damn rejections!!!

Master of the Universe

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"Life's a joke... take it too seriously, and the joke's on you"

mistyc

05-15-2002, 01:10 PM

Just a bump, as I collect my Jedi powers before venturing out in the real world!

Thrillseeker

05-15-2002, 01:24 PM

Hmmm. There aren't many people posting. I know I didn't post for the last two weeks since nothing really spectacular happened or all the stuff might have been redundant with all the other posts and what not.

After three weeks of straight raining/cold weather, the sun finally comes out. This will make everything much more fun instead of getting soaked while going out to DJ.

Expect post of results late Saturday night/sunday afternoon.

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“There is surely nothing other than the single purpose of the present moment. A man’s whole life is a succession of moment after moment. If one fully understands the present moment, there will nothing else to do, and nothing else to pursue.”
-Hagakure, Yamamoto Tsenetomo

ESPN

05-15-2002, 02:46 PM

This boot camp is similar to a war camp.

It started with many people happy to make part of it, many "i'm in" but as it started many get shot by the bullets of rejection or get afraid of being rejected without even trying.
Reason?

The fear, fear of what?
Feeling like a fool, fear of what the other gonna think.
But if we think there is no reason to feel this fear, because you fear it and then 5 minutes after you life continues the same, nothing gonna change, only your success rate.

"How the hell l handle this fear ESPN?"

By not thinking yourself as crap, by not thinking yourself as inferior, by focusing in your improvement and your self-respect.

"How l do it?How l do it?How l can feel like l am valueable, how l can feel great about my self?"

You have to work in your self-esteem, not the self-esteem that your face provide(or don't provide) but the self-esteem the you deserve as a human being.
You deserve to feel that you are capable of doing things you like to do.
You deserve to feel proud of your owns acomplishments.
You deserve to feel GREAT about yourself
I recommend to everybody here the book 'The Six Pillars of Self-Esteem' by Nathaniel Branden, if you can't handle rejection and start thinking 'one day, l gonna handle rejection, one day l gonna be a dj, one day...', then you really need to read this book.
There is no 'one day', you deserve those things NOW and the only person who can provide that it's YOU

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Emoney

05-15-2002, 05:21 PM

Ok guys.....i have been trying to work on the DJ boot camp along with trying to get a job and finishing school and dealing with family problems.....but im still having a problem right now.

I told myself go to the mall and look for women so i can get 10 rejections. I went to the mall, didn't approach one girl. There were only a few, most of them were in high school, but the fact of the matter is that i still don't have the nerve to go up and talk to women. I don't think its my fear of rejection, because the point was to get 10 rejections. Like my mind is saying go get it, but my body isn't doing it. MotU, is there any additional articles i should look at to overcome this, or does anyone have any ideas of what i can do to overcome this? This is the one problem i have always had with women, the initial approach. Im trying not to whine or complain, im working hard on to be more of a man, i stand up for myself more and don't worry to much about what i say to people that i already know, but i want to overcome this part. thank you guys

Eric

mistyc

05-15-2002, 05:57 PM

Emoney,

I'm kinda in the same pit as you. I think MotU gave me the best advice, which was "just do it".

Lemme tell you a little story, hopefully it'll help you (and me):

At the end of my AFC days, there was this waitress who caught my attention. It took me 3 failures at even attempting to talk to her again after that first time, and on the 4th try I finally did (thankfully, before I was indentified by the restaurant owners as a stalker or something http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/wink.gif )

But how did I do it?

I had given up on ever being able to talk to her... So as I was leaving the restaurant, I noticed there were too many people near the entryway, and I turned around to try to find another way towards there. And who got in my way? Yeah, the waitress. And since I was just in front of her, I just said "hi", and we had a nice conversation. I won't talk about the weeks after that, it's full of so much AFCism http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/wink.gif But that instant when I actually said hi, and when she recognized me and we had a conversation... That was worth it. That was worth the risk.

The moral? Just do it!!!!! That's the hardest part of all, believe me I know http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/smile.gif

Oh another moral: it happened when I had given up on her - when approaching her was no longer my priority, but leaving was.

Just like those other events during the boot camp, when I hypnotized (or whatever) girls just by looking in their eyes. That happened not when I was out to do that, but when I was jobhunting, or going about my business...

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Komodo

05-15-2002, 07:34 PM

I've been doing this approaching thing for a while.I find it easier to approach girls for their numbers that I just met oppose to yhe ones I've had a crush on for a while.M.o.t.u
is this a natural thing?.Also do you think those Anthony Berger techniques really work?
I'm talking about the boob touch and tthe leg
touch.I plan to use them this weekend.By the way I just would like to say Miami has soe of the most beautiful woman in the world.Those of you who haven't been here should visit.

mistyc

05-15-2002, 07:39 PM

Originally posted by Komodo:
I've been doing this approaching thing for a while.I find it easier to approach girls for their numbers that I just met oppose to yhe ones I've had a crush on for a while

If you've had a crush on them for a while, you've probably had them on a pedestal, and/or you care more about your success than the other ones. So of course it's harder...

Ronin

05-15-2002, 10:12 PM

Well...so far ive approached 2 girls. I've got both their #'s. Which is good but bad for this weeks assignment. i don't think i'll be able to finish this week's assignment because right now with working out, working 5-ish days a week and school I don't have time to go hunting for girls. I can only chat up the ones that I run into. So I have been trying when i have had free time. Just thought i'd report in. NOT ONE REJECTION YET! (which is good cause i got #'s....but bad because i'm not passing through the boot camp). :S Overall this is helping my confidence a lot. http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/smile.gif

Sean

mistyc

05-15-2002, 10:23 PM

yeah, this is really helpikng my confidence too http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/smile.gif (just not my just-do-itness, for now).

Got proof when I visited an old HS prof today.. Just when I was leaving he asked me if I was dating someone. I asked "one?" he replied like "well, there's something different about you.." so I said "well, increase that number a little" with a smirk and then I left http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/wink.gif

ESPN

05-15-2002, 10:26 PM

Originally posted by Emoney:
Ok guys.....i have been trying to work on the DJ boot camp along with trying to get a job and finishing school and dealing with family problems.....but im still having a problem right now.

I told myself go to the mall and look for women so i can get 10 rejections. I went to the mall, didn't approach one girl. There were only a few, most of them were in high school, but the fact of the matter is that i still don't have the nerve to go up and talk to women. I don't think its my fear of rejection, because the point was to get 10 rejections. Like my mind is saying go get it, but my body isn't doing it. MotU, is there any additional articles i should look at to overcome this, or does anyone have any ideas of what i can do to overcome this? This is the one problem i have always had with women, the initial approach. Im trying not to whine or complain, im working hard on to be more of a man, i stand up for myself more and don't worry to much about what i say to people that i already know, but i want to overcome this part. thank you guys

Eric

Maybe isn't fear of rejection, but fear of acting weird or saying something stupid(or saying nothing http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/biggrin.gif), the only advice you need is to read the book and work in yourself.

aznbreakerjrey

05-15-2002, 10:43 PM

Well with all the progress I've been making for the past few weeks, I've stalled today. I went to the library, saw a really cute girl, felt like approaching, but didn't. I froze for the first time in a while. I dunno what happened. Thankfully I was able to get over that soon enough and talk to another girl I saw outside. However, she didn't make too much eye contact during the conversation, and though it was pleasant enough, I didn't think we had anything going so I decided not to go for the number. Well tomorrow is another day, so hopefully I can get a couple of rejections in.

DJ Red

05-15-2002, 11:13 PM

I'm havin a rough time getting these rejections myself. I still freeze up sometimes, but if I get started, it's golden. Only one rejection so far, and I had to force that one by walking away.

Quick story. I just got back from a job fair sort of thing, and whilst I was waiting in line to get a chance to talk to a company and try to sell myself (I was all nervous about talking to the corporate types there, but calm and cool in appearance). So there I was, lookin like a million bucks in my suit, and I was a little stunned when an 8 approached me. We talked a little while, and I found out that she was just there for the free food/drink. I asked for the number just before it was my turn at the firing squad, and bang. Business card with home phone and everything. Got me feelin all confident and such so when I talked to the interviewers, I gave the best performance I ever have.

On a side note, I'm gonna hafta see if she'll some with me skydiving this summer. She's a vet, I'm not.

I'm glad I muscled through Boot Camp. It's helpin everywhere.

Much appreciation to MoTU.

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Red - DJ in the making.

Life is like dancing. Some like to swing, tango, or waltz. Some like to sit idle on the sidelines and watch.
Don't be that guy. Get your butt on the dancefloor.

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Vegas Playa

05-16-2002, 01:30 AM

I’m still fighting the good fight, bros!

I’m lagging behind a little bit, but I’m still in the fray. Unfortunately, I let at least three good opportunities to approach HBs for the digits slip through my fingers today. I have to consciously remind myself that the assignment IS to get rejected, not to actually get the beayitch’s numbers themselves.

My lack of success thus far in overcoming my internal resistances (and let's keep it real---aren't most if not all of the obstacles internal?) was starting to get me depressed ‘n shyt. But that quickly vanished as I began to notice a number of awesome after-effects of the work that I’ve done in the boot camp over the past few weeks.

For example:

Saying hi to strangers, smiling, and making eye contact---something that I found challenging at first, is no sweat whatsoever anymore. In fact, I now find myself doing it automatically, without even thinking about it. And I'm geting a lot more people smiling and saying hi in return.

I’m also finding that approaching strangers in general and striking up convos is fast becoming second nature as well.

And starting up convos with women I would consider dating---something I found difficult last week---all of the sudden doesn’t seem like such a big deal anymore now that the antes been upped again this week. Thus far I’ve already had as many 2+ minute convos with attractive women than I had all of last week.

As such, all of that bodes well for me finding a way to get through this week’s assignment one way or another---especially with y’all egging me on. And if I don’t finish it this week, maybe it will cease to be a big deal once next week’s assignment begins.

In closing, my fellow aspirants, when facing you fears, remind yourself that fear is really an acronym. It stands for:

F alse

E vidence

A ppearing

R eal

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Pancho

05-16-2002, 02:19 AM

I think this boot camp thing is a great idea, but i think that many people that were "in" are no longer because the assignments are a bit too tough. Now, im not the kinda guy who will let this stop me (im actually not too bad at the approach), but i can understand why some of the guys might have hesitations. For a seasoned approacher, 10 rejections in a week is nothing. For a DJ, saying hi to 30 people on the street is nothing. But for a newbie whos just found this site, 10 rejections or 10 approaches may seem insurmountable at first and may cause them to say..."this is just too much, i cant do it, ill just give up".

Im not saying that you should change it...if someone is serious enough to change, they should be able to complete these assignment. But you may have been able to get more people farther if you would have said, for example

Week 3: Talk to three girls your attracted briefly (at least 30 seconds)

week 4: Talk to three girls your attracted to for at least 2 minutes

week 5: Get rejected by at least three girls by approaching for number

week 6: Get rejected by at least 5 girls

Etc, etc..this may have been more manageable....just a suggestion MOTU http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Pancho

XANEUS

05-16-2002, 02:44 AM

Question 1: If she gives you the number but also tells you she has a boyfriend, is that a rejection?

Question 2: Is it okay to try to get rejected... that is to say, to intentionally mess up the pick up? I'll try not to resort to this, but other than the above, I really haven't been rejected in the past year, and I've gotten maybe 50 numbers. Also in this same vein... is it okay to get rejected by someone you wouldn't consider dating? I might have trouble making myself throw the pick-up if the girl was actually hot.

I haven't been real participatory the past two weeks as I had finals at university... but I've approached enough girls in the past two years I feel confident re-starting this week. So far this week, I have 1 number and 1 rejection (maybe)... Here's the story.

I was at the library and I saw this scantily clad cutie... so I walked over and commented on how unusual such attire was in the library setting, and we started talking. She seemed cool, so I asked digits. She said sure, if I wanted to just be friends, because she had a boyfriend. So I got the number, and presumably a reasonable chance at a second encounter, but it's really not a success.

I get this a lot, and I regularly (about 30-40%) even get dates with these girls, so I have a few questions about it.

1. What should I do when she says this... I got the number, so I can't really complain, and attacking the boyfriend at this point seems weak.

2. When I ask digits, I usually say, "I have to go do X now, but I'd love to talk to you some other time... what's your phone number?" Do you think asking in this manner prompts this sort of response? How do you guys ask? Let me know if any of you experience this.

3. (this one is more for a few weeks down the road) When I'm on dates with these girls, I can't seem to bring myself to close with a kiss. I know there's no chance if I don't, but usually by the end of a date, there's no chance of rejection (I'm that good)... but with these girls there is... I also feel kind of bad about kissing a girl with a boyfriend. Most of the girls I really end up liking fall into this category.

Anyway... I'll try and go out and rack up a bunch more rejections tomorrow...

Can't wait!!!

future marine

05-16-2002, 02:45 AM

hey im still in even tough ive fallen far behind. 37 hellos 6 convos 3 convos with women and 1 regection. this boot camp has helped alot, even tough i still have a long ways to go

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pain is weakness leaving the body

Dr_Feelgood

05-16-2002, 08:48 AM

First of all, let me set the record straight. I am by no means quitting or chickening out. If you read my post near the end of week 3, you'll see why I'm not doing this weeks lesson, until this weekend and next week.

I was a little burned out on the girl chasing, but my weekend partying with the strippers, and not sleeping for about 3 days, has left me a little too exhausted to go out and do this weeks lesson right now.

I also think that two very important posts should have been included in this weeks lesson.

http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/013655.html

AND

http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/014100.html

These post are very good at getting you pysched about facing rejection. They're very true.

You'll notice how I handled the first 3 weeks of this Boot Camp. I didn't say "hi" to 50 strangers, I said "hi" to 50 pretty, young, datable girls. This got me used to rejection from girls with something simple.

In week two, I didn't have convos with 10 strangers. Again, I had them with 10 young, pretty, dateable girls. Did the same in week 3.

I didn't go for numbers, but I got used to rejection in little steps first. This got me ready for this weeks lesson.

Sure it was hard doing all of this with girls, instead of with any strangers. But, it pushed me out of my comfort zone.

And whether doing this causes you to shine with an aura of confidence, or releases a mad amount of your natural pheromones, it causes women to start treating you differently.

For whatever reason, women were noticing me more after 3 weeks of this. That's why the stripper approached me, and practically begged me to come home with her. That's why her friend took me away from her, and asked me to have sex with her.

That's why you need to do this weeks lesson. That's why I'll be doin it, and posting about my rejections for the next two weeks. Because, I know that during, or shortly after I post all the painful rejections, I'll have another awesome success story.

So, I urge you guys to have the courage to do this. I promise, it'll pay off. It's already paid off for me, and I haven't even asked for any numbers yet. The girl I spent most of my weekend with, gave me her number. Now, some of her friends want me. I'm going to have to work really hard to get 10 rejections.

Just go for it. It'll hurt, but you'll get over the pain really quick, when the payoffs start coming in.

mistyc

05-16-2002, 10:02 AM

Those are some good posts, Dr_Feelgood

The first one especially. That's a good attitude to have "hm I wonder how she'll react to this" asked in an objective manner, and "hm that was interesting" after the rejection.

So let's become "Rejection scientists"! http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/smile.gif

NormalGuy

05-16-2002, 09:22 PM

Feeling kinda down the last two days, with my last rejection being from this really cute girl who I really liked, and blocked my close with the boyfriend clause.

Felt somewhat better this morning as I realized that it wasn't such a lost cause because at least I had at least taken the risk.

After work today, chatted up this girl in a bookstore, and was about to close when I realized she had a ring on her wedding finger.

Then I saw this cute cashier clerk working at the counter, but I was screwed it up as I approached because the other cashier, a gay male dude decided to take me first. Didn't have the balls to say I wanted her as my cashier, so I bailed.

Oh well tommorrow is another day...

Vegas Playa

05-17-2002, 12:12 AM

Thanks for the supplemental reading material, Dr. Feelgood. I concur with mistyc---that first post you mentioned was particularly tight!

Anyway, got rejection #1 outta the way today. Went up a hot, big-breasted blonde who was working at one of those stands in the mall. She was trying to get the attention of the passers-by to sell her wares when yours truly walks up to her—making the eye contact, flashing the smile, and saying the hi..

Me: How’s business?
Her: Oh, we are selling this blah blah thing to buff you nails blah blah blah

(She proceeds the demonstrate the nail buffer thing on me. Okay, it felt a little gay, but I tolerated the discomfort!)

Her: Would you like to buy one?
Me: Nah. Too bad I didn’t meet you last week, it woulda been a great mother’s day gift!

Me: (detecting an accent) Where are you from?
Her: I’m from Paris, France. We also have this hand lotion for dry skin blah blah blah
Me: That’s a big change moving from Paris to Vegas! Well, at least we have the Eiffel Tower out here (referring to the Paris Hotel)
Her: (a bit flustered, probably because I was throwing off her rap, she dumps a shytload of lotion on my hand)
Me: Hey, my hands aren’t THAT dry!
Her: (smiles as she gives me a hand massage) This lotion is very blah blah blah
Me: (starting to feel a bit guilty). Please don’t go on. I didn’t walk up to you ‘cause I wanted to buy something, I just wanted to meet you. Give me you # and I’ll call you sometime.
Her: (possibly not understanding me due to a slight language barrier) Sure, you can call here anytime!
Me: No, I mean talking to you on the phone when you’re NOT working. You know, when you’re at home? I don’t know if they have this custom in France, but here men and women who find each other attractive often do something we call “going out”. Give me your number and I’ll tell more about it!
Her: I don’t have a phone number.
Me: You don’t a phone number. Wow, you must be the only person I’ve ever met who didn’t have one! So if you don’t have a phone number, you must not have a phone, is that what you’re telling me?
Her: No, I don’t have a phone
Me: Have a good night!

Jesus Christ, can’t beayitches come up with more original excuses? Then again, maybe that line is considered clever in France! After all, they like Jerry Lewis for chrissake!

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"Fear and fatigue block the mind. Face both, then courage and confidence flow into you." B.K.S. Iyengar

StuartScott

05-17-2002, 01:27 AM

Originally posted by Vegas Playa:
Her: Oh, we are selling this blah blah thing to buff you nails blah blah blah

Her: (smiles as she gives me a hand massage) This lotion is very blah blah blah

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"Fear and fatigue block the mind. Face both, then courage and confidence flow into you." B.K.S. Iyengar

What the Hell, is she retarded AND foreign. This lotion is Blah, blah, blah. What language is that. http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/wink.gif

Master of the Universe

05-17-2002, 11:53 AM

Hey DJs,

Been a few days since I've posted... extremely busy at work. Oh well...

Anyway, as to my report... well, I've gotten a few phone numbers, but still no rejections.

It's actually pretty funny, I'm approaching the girl, starting up the conversation, and hoping that she'll reject me so I'll meet my quota! I would never have thought that, in a million years, I would be hoping a girl would give me a rejection. http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/smile.gif

At this rate though, I think the only way I'm going to get my ten rejections, is to try to use the most ineffective approach I can think of... probably, "You wouldn't want to go out with me, would you?"

I'll probably go to a mall 30 miles away this Saturday... approach a girl with a Hi, and if she responds, hit her with the line up there.

Note to newbies: This is NOT the DJ way of getting a phone number... but right now I'm just trying to get rejected.

BTW though, this line actually came from a test a life insurance company tried many years ago. Basically, they thought of the one phrase that would result in the least number of policy sales, and that line was "You wouldn't want to buy life insurance, would you?"

And for eight hours a day, they had a group of sales reps use this line on everyone they met.

The results: They sold twice as many policies as the average sales rep

The reason: Most sales reps hesitated, made excuses, or didn't go full steam ahead. On the other hand, this group, even with a very flawed opener, still did better because they were consistent, and went for it.

Moral of the story: Anything is better than nothing.

So anyway, if I don't get some rejections soon, I'll have to resort to this method.

ESPN,

Excellent post!!!

Emoney,

I would recommend you read the link posted by Dr_Feelgood earlier.

As for specific things to do... just go for it. Don't give yourself time to think, just act FAST!

Also, it might not be your fear of rejection that's holding you back... but rather your fear of success. Think about it...

Komodo,

It's very common to find it easier to approach girls that you barely know, as opposed to someone you have a crush on... it's probably due to the fact that you a) put too much thought into the approach with the crush AND/OR 2) you have your crush on a pedestal.

If you psyche yourself into thinking of the person you have a crush on, as being just another person, then you won't have those problems.

As for Anthony Berger and his techniques... I'm not familiar with him, so I can't offer any feedback.

Ronin,

I know exactly what you mean, I haven't gotten any rejection yet either. Maybe you should consider my strategy above. http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/smile.gif

mistyc,

I must say that I am impressed. Your progress keeps on improving on a regular basis. Keep up the great work!

aznbreakerjrey,

Everyone stalls once in a while... just don't concentrate on the stalls and keep on approaching and closing!

DJ Red,

Now that is what being a DJ is all about... being the best in everything you do, including girls. Congratulations on your job interview performance!!!

Vegas Playa,

I agree with you, everyone should do what you did, and take a look at all the improvements in their lives since they began four weeks ago. You've taken fantastic steps, and just wait until we get to the end of this Boot Camp!

Pancho,

You could very well be right, in fact, I'm pretty sure you are. But we're half way there right now, anyway. And pretty much everyone who dropped out, would more than likely have dropped out for one reason or another later on. As things stand right now, those who are still participating will probably finish the Boot Camp, since they've went this far. But I understand your point.

Xaneus,

"Question 1: If she gives you the number but also tells you she has a boyfriend, is that a rejection?"

That's kind of subjective, but I would have to say No, since you still got the number. A lot of girls will tell you they have a boyfriend either to test you, or to clear their conscious about the fact that they have a boyfriend, and then will readily accept your date.

As for the fact that she mentions she has a boyfriend, when you do go out on a date with her, in your mind pretend she does not have a boyfriend, and proceed from there.

If she's so in love with her boyfriend, then she won't go out with you in the first place, and will not let you proceed further. The borefriend could just be someone she's keeping around until she finds a REAL man. So for all practical purposes, if she does go out with you, forget the boyfriend issue.

"I have to go do X now, but I'd love to talk to you some other time... what's your phone number?"

That's my normal close as well... seems to work for me!

"3. (this one is more for a few weeks down the road) When I'm on dates with these girls, I can't seem to bring myself to close with a kiss. I know there's no chance if I don't, but usually by the end of a date, there's no chance of rejection (I'm that good)... but with these girls there is... I also feel kind of bad about kissing a girl with a boyfriend. Most of the girls I really end up liking fall into this category"

See here, the problem is not with the girl, it's with you. She accepted your date, so she knows what you want. Go for it, she wants you to kiss her, and she wants to be with you, otherwise she would not have accepted the date in the first place. The borefriend is a non-issue.

future marine,

Keep it up, my man!

Dr_Feelgood,

Yeah, I've been watching your success! Dude, you rock!!!

Hope you had a blast with the strippers http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/wink.gif

We'll miss you for this week, but I look forward to seeing you back in uniform next week! http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/smile.gif

And thanks for posting the links, they are very useful!

NormalGuy,

"Felt somewhat better this morning as I realized that it wasn't such a lost cause because at least I had at least taken the risk."

That's the attitude! Keep on with those approaches!!!

Vegas Playa,

I loved that story, and congratulations on your first rejection!

Master of the Universe

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"Life's a joke... take it too seriously, and the joke's on you" - Master of the Universe

"You can never know everything, and part of what you know is always wrong. Perhaps even the most important part. A portion of wisdom lies in knowing that. A portion of courage lies in going on anyways." - Lan Mandragoran, The Wheel of Time

Komodo

05-17-2002, 12:17 PM

I know this one girl for a while she'e about a 8 and really smart.I've been talking to her for a while.I even asked her for her # but she said she would have gave it to me but her parents are really defensive and don't like guys calling the house.Another promblem is that I don't have a car.How the hell am I suppose to get around that?Any suggestions M.O.T.U ?

El MonoLoco

05-17-2002, 02:10 PM

Man, sorry guys school's got me bogged down.But my finals are next week so I can catch up.Got to do the study thing you know. I'm still talking to all sorts of new chicks. Guess I'm gonna have to go for the close more often.

I did get a date with this one chick.Funny thing is I totally forgot to get her #.Shoot I can't even remember if I know her name? Woops! http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

I guess I should keep on chatting with chicks until all the students clear out and go home for summer.Then start over after finals. That way I can kick back and get #'s from the chicks who are gonna be in town for a while longer. I hate getting a # then the chick leaves for 3 months and its hard as hell to get together with her again.

Damn school.

mistyc

05-17-2002, 02:48 PM

Well I was right. Stop trying, and you relax enough that you're able to do it.

Ok, this is week#2 stuff, but I'll talk about it here.
Had 4 conversations with strangers in the space of 20 minutes (wow!! a first, for me).

It all started when I was waiting for the bus, and a lady asked me for the time, and proceeded from there to talk about all the late buses.

Then when I got off, some guy talking to me about how he never sees daylight, since he works nightshifts (conversation skills still rated at: Poor, at this point. I don't even remember where he works http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/wink.gif )

Then we were on the scene of an accident (which happened before we got there), so as he left I started asking some onlookers what happened, and one lady described (conversation skills mediocre)

Then another lady joined, and she found me quite receptive to her story about an accident she had on the highway, and her broken wrist. (conversation skills: getting better! even started to get some "trance words" or whatever they're called, and it had a nice effect).

off to celebrate now, by watching Star Wars episode II! http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Vegas Playa

05-18-2002, 12:41 AM

Hey guys, does accidentally hitting on jailbait count as a rejection?

I was at a department store when I saw this cute Reese Witherspoon look-a-like talking to some older guy, so I’m thinking she works there. After she makes eye contact with me 3 times within the span of a minute, I walk up to her and the following interchange occurs:

Me: Hi, my name’s Vegas. (shake her hand) Do you work here?

Her: No.

Me: Well, maybe you could help me find something anyway.

Her: What?

Me: Your phone number (remember guys, I’m TRYING to get rejected here!)!

Her: (smiles and thinks about it a few seconds) Uhhh…do you know how old I am?

Me: I dunno. 22 or 23, something like that?

Her: I’m 16!

Me: (thinking "OH SHYT!") Uhhh. . .well then, maybe I’ll see ya in a few years!

Is that a rejection? After all, she didn’t TECHNICALLY say no! ;-) Then again, maybe she did but I didn’t hear her 'cause I was too busy running away---especially when I realized the older guy was probably her Dad!

I’ll let MoTu make the call on that one!

Otherwise, in an attempt earlier in the evening I failed---to get a rejection, that is. I went to Gordon Biersch after work and sat down at the bar next to a couple of cute girls who were absorbed in girl talk.

I sat there like a chump just looking around the bar for almost 15 minutes (still working on mastering the 3-second rule and the skill of interrupting women).

When the girl farthest away from me takes a call on her cell, however, I go into action with the girl next to me. We talk for a few minutes until her friend gets off of the phone, and then they resume their girl talk and I resume looking around the bar for other prospects.

The other girl gets on her phone again and I resume my convo with the girl next to me. I guess I developed too much rapport, though, because the one I was talking to eventually introduced me to her friend and gave me her number after I asked for it while getting up to leave. Oh well! :-)

Maybe we'll have to resort to using awful pick-up lines if we have too much trouble getting women to reject us. Below is a list of the "10 Worst Opening Lines of All Time" lifted from the DJ article by Allen Thompson. Preface your request for their phone number with these lines, and watch the rejections rack up!

Here, direct from the home office in Charlotte, NC are The Top Ten Worst Opening Lines of All Time:

#10 - You look like a hooker I knew in Phoenix.
#9 - You remind me of my dead ex-girlfriend.
#8 - If you were a booger I'd pick you first.
#7 - You look just like my mama. I love my mama.
#6 - Gross! Somebody farted. Let's get out of here.
#5 - Hey, baby, wanna go halves on a bastard?
#4 - So... is it safe to say I'm gonna get lucky tonight?
#3 - You'll do.
#2 - Wow! Are those real?

And the #1 worst opening line of all time:
"Gee, for a fat girl, you sure don't sweat much."

Good luck, fellas!

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"Fear and fatigue block the mind. Face both, then courage and confidence flow into you."
--B.K.S. Iyengar

[This message has been edited by Vegas Playa (edited 05-18-2002).]

XANEUS

05-18-2002, 03:16 AM

I got somewhere between 1 and three rejections today... depending on how you count.

The real rejection: I was at a mall food court and I approached these two girls sitting down intently writing something... they looked up at me, and I realized they were REALLY young... but by then I had already asked if they'd mind my joining them. OOPS!!! The worst part is they just gave me this nervous confused look. They said "well... we don't know you..." I was already committed, so I came back with "is that a problem" (I should have come up with something better but I really wanted out of there) they just looked confused again, so I left... I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER BEEN IN A PICK-UP SITUATION IN WHICH EVERYONE PRESENT WANTED OUT SIMULTANEOUSLY BEFORE!!!!

XANEUS

05-18-2002, 03:30 AM

oops... didn't mean to send that yet...

That sucked... but at least I got a rejection (or two?) I did better elsewhere today.

I talked to this cute Vietnamese girl at the mall, and we really seemed to have rapport... when I asked her for her # she said she lived with her parents and they didn't allow her to take calls from boys. I was about to give up, but before I left I asked her if she had e-mail and she readily complied... she even made me read it back to her to make sure I got it right. Should I count this as a rejection or not?

I also got another number today... I saw this girl with really nice legs, and I started walking faster to catch up... she turned and saw me, and I briefly considered stopping (I'm not a stalker) but I figured I was just trying to get rejected anyway so I continued. She was leaving the mall, but she was conscious of my presence, so she got directly in my path and stopped. We talked for a minute and I realized she wasn't as good-looking as I thought (7) so I flirted a bit then split... funny thing was after that, she kept bumping into me at different places in the mall... like she was following me around... so I said fukk it and digitized her.

so results so far

6 girls approached
3 phone numbers
1 e-mail address
2 stupid little high schoolers with no clue
1 instance of total rejection
2 partial rejections which were still fruitful.

Centaur

05-18-2002, 11:50 PM

Hello fellow soldiers,

Let me start off by saying that the beginning of this week sucked ass--I had work up the wazzu, I've been actually looking for another job, and I've encountered other, unexpected, problems. So it wasn't until Wednesday that I really got an opportunity to even think about doing the assignment--and when I did, it blew me away how challenging it was. I was so bewildered that I vowed to conquer it. I realize now that getting 10 rejections from women, no matter how you look at it, was a bee-yotch of a hurdle. It was like asking Mr Couch Potatoe to lose 50 pounds in one week locked in a Dennys.And that's actually what I liked about this weeks assignment--It made me work for it--I mean REALLY WORK for it. So much so, that Wed. and Thurs I couldn't even get up the nerve to do it--even though I went out three or four times, in three or four places to do it. I finally got a rejection on Friday, with this Israeli waitress, who (had the nicest set of titties I have ever seen flopping around by the way--when they bounced they sent waves around the room...)--but I digress. I talked to two other women, a Brazilian one who I liked but didn't go for the close, and the other gave sort of a semi-rejection. Today, though is when it really hit. I mean I was macking my ass off today--I must've talked to about 10--12 attractive women today, which, for me, is akin to the whole feeding the two fish to the whole multitude thing. While several of them were slightly below the legal age (men be careful of these nyc women, they can and will trick), the vast majority were quite gorgoeous, ambitious women between the ages of 25-35. I met one woman who was planning a trip to the Yucatan, another was about to get married, and was buying some fancy-grossy femimine wedding book, another was this freaky looking women who said she was an actress, who wore these sophisticated glasses, covering sex hot and warm eyes. Another I actually just accosted on the street, she sashayed by and I was just like, "Excuse me..blah blah blah"--I actually have no idea what I said to her). At some point she told me she had a boyfriend, and I simply laughed at her and looked her in the eyes and said, "so when is the wedding?" And she was like "naw, it ain't like that." (Boom!!!!)--I later got her business car. In fact, I only got two rejections today....as most were favorable responses. Of course, I don't want to go into the classic tale about a bad week turn good (I still need a damn job!), but I had a little bit of fun--walking around like I was some reincarnated Cassanova. We'll see how I can channel this into job-adation.

Centaur

"Everything that rises must converge."

Flannery O' Conner

Vegas Playa

05-19-2002, 02:32 PM

Was out clubbing last night with my homies. Stood by the waitress station at the bar and kept chatting up these two cocktail waitresses as they came up to get their drinks.

Got some rapport going with the more gregarious of the two and went for the sure rejection by asking her for the digits. What I got, actually, was the "I have a BF" objection. Had I not been as drunk as I was, I might have thought to say
"Congratulations! When's the wedding?" as MoTu suggests

So here is my scorecard thus far:

4 approaches
2 rejections
1 approach with a girl that looking 22 but was really 16 (still waiting on MoTu to rule on that one!)
1 phone number

Now 'scuse me while I to nurse my hangover!

[This message has been edited by Vegas Playa (edited 05-19-2002).]

aznbreakerjrey

05-19-2002, 03:06 PM

Okay, I just got back from a while of walking around and getting rejected. Today just wasn't my day, for I got 5 rejections and no numbers. I'm thinking it's that I get too nervous when going for the close. With practice I'll get there though. My weaknesses I need to work on:
1. Closing smoothly
2. Maintaining composure
3. Realizing that I need to just relax, let the game come to me, and just converse naturally with the opposite sex.
I just realized number three right now. I was pre-planning my convos and that didn't pan out. At least I'm starting to get used to rejections ... http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/smile.gif

XANEUS

05-19-2002, 06:52 PM

aznbreakerjrey... you luckly bastard... you're a perfect 5 for 5 on this week's lesson... if only I were so lucky!!!...

seriously... keep it up... the first time I tried this (about a year ago) I got four rejections and no numbers... but then I got back on campus and got 3 (my first three) numbers in the next week (with no rejections)... so have faith. This stuff really does work even if you don't see it immediately.

-X

Thrillseeker

05-20-2002, 01:33 AM

Ok, so here’s my report.

Friday

Went to the mall because I had to repair my sunglasses. After two glasses shops couldn’t help me I found a third one where they were able to. The specialist that did the repair was a young woman, about 25. I left her alone while she worked and patiently waited while looking around. When she finished she gave me back my glasses and I chatted with her for a little while about trivial things like the fact that Nike now makes glasses. Anyway after a bit I steered the conversation to focus about her and later asked her if she like to go out sometime. She wasn’t interested since she was in a relationship but she didn’t charge me for the repair(it was minor anyway, just two missing screws). So this was my first rejection of the week.

On the way back home on the bus I met one of my cousin’s ex girlfriends, had good convo with her. I was the one who approached her, she hadn’t recognize me. When she got off the bus I hit on a girl who had asked me for time earlier (when I was walking up to my cousin’s ex waiting in line). Had convo with her until I got off the bus. Didn’t put much effort in that one as I deemed her to be too young for me. I asked her for her number out off the clear blue sky before I got off the bus. She was a bit surprised and embarrassed and gave me the usual ( you’re a great guy but etc etc..). Second rejection. Called it a night.

Saturday

Went to another mall. I had to buy a few things. I entered the mall by going in the Sears and while walking through the cosmetic area I spotted this absolutely fine woman. Stunning classy girl. I didn’t even walk up to her. Not that I was afraid but she was al least thirty which is way above my typical age range. Thinking about it, I take it back, I freaked out about going up to talk to a classy woman in her thirties. I guess I rejected myself there.

Later at a department store (Wal Mart type) the cashier forgot to put one of my item in my bag(small poster mounts). I only noticed it later in day when I was checking my things out. Went back to the store and to the girl. She was sort of relieved/expecting me and pointed me to customer service to get my poster mounts. After I cleared everything out and was exiting I went by her register(she was alone for the moment) and chatted with her. This was fun and I played a bit on the guilt card telling her that I appreciated her honesty as she could have taken my poster mounts for herself or let someone else have them(in a playful manner). Told her it was a good thing she was attentive after she had been distracted and asked what had distracted her(she told me she was having a tiring day but I figure it was me who distracted her http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/biggrin.gif ). She was receptive. This was a good opportunity to ask her out before other clients came and held her up so I asked her for her number saying we would do stuff together and that would give her a nice break and a good time. She gave me her number and her availabilities. Left, told her we’d hook up soon. Well, did not get rejected so this is not good, in a sense.

Going by the food court to exit the mall I spotted this fine chick eating a big subway style sandwich. As I passed by her I waved not intending to do anything more. She waved back and asked me how it was going. Sensing opportunity and liking how the day was so far going I sat down and started convo with her. The usual at first(name, where you live, etc). At one point she asked me what I had come to buy since she noticed a couple of bags and commented that I shopped like a woman. Did not like that last one so I was now intent on neg hitting her. Best I came up with was “I wonder just how you manage to keep your line when you keep eating big sandwiches like that. I wonder what I’d find if I were to lift your shirt…” Made her laugh and she gave me that “you’re a smart a$$” look. I didn’t feel like playing for too long with her and I wanted to see where I was going with this so I told her I had to get going and to give me her number so we could have more time to chat up. She agreed, gave digits and told me “that I probably make a good shopping partner”. There she went again. Told her that I was “a good partner at many things” and left. I like this one. Smart a$$ type that keeps you on your toes. That was it for Saturday, very good day with two numbers!(bad for assignment though)

Sunday

Went to see the WWE(hate the new name) pay-per view at a bar with a friend. Nothing special. Walking back home with my friend this girl approached us mistaking my friend for another guy. Didn’t do anything with the girl since it was past eleven pm in a quiet area. Don’t want to be pepper sprayed. Does that count as another self imposed rejection? Closer to home we came by a house where five girls were climbing in a car ready to go clubbing. Decided it was safe to approach. Asked girls(I was the one doing all the talk) where they were going ,etc. Then told them that we should all go clubbing together sometime. None of them could give a straight answer. Many excuses, some had boyfriends, others weren’t sure that we’d want to go to the same places, bla bla bla. Finally one of them told me that they like to hang out a particular club and that perhaps we would meet them there if we ever went there. Basically this is five rejections all in one, on? But maybe some are salvageable? I won’t count on it but who knows?

Sum of All Rejections

Friday: 2 by girls
Saturday: 1 by myself
Sunday: 5 by girls and 1 by self

Total: 7 rejections. 9 if you count self inflicted.

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“There is surely nothing other than the single purpose of the present moment. A man’s whole life is a succession of moment after moment. If one fully understands the present moment, there will nothing else to do, and nothing else to pursue.”
-Hagakure, Yamamoto Tsenetomo

Ronin

05-20-2002, 03:01 PM

Well I had a good week. Even though I didn't get much time to practice my skills I still feel that it's helped me a great deal.

thurs:
Went out to dinner with a friend and one of her friends. I was waiting outseid for them and this fair looking (7.5ish) blonde walks by so I say where are u going? so anyways we chatted and I got her #. Later on the girl and her friend stopped by. i decided to just practice my Dj skills on her friend all night and went for the number at the end of the night just for fun. Got it. Which is good but not for this assignment.

Sat:
Saw a brunette that was waiting for someone outside of a cofee shop. She wasent great looking (7.5) but i decided to have some fun and approach her anyways. http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/smile.gif So i did and she seemed kinda cold..so i aborted and didn't even bother going for the #.

Sun:
Went shopping at the mall and walked into Buffalo (where all the good looking girls work). SO I'm checkin out this shirt and this girl walks up and u know is all friendly and everything and she knew my name. She said that she had met me at a party a while ago and I clued in. So anyways I got her to show me some stuff that she thought would look good on me and she kept on giving me lines like "everything looks good on u". then she walked me to the changeroom and asked if she could watch me change and then she walked off and winked at me. She was harsh usein Kino and I was also returning the favor. she's liek is there anything else u wanna try, and i was like 'yeah get me that shirt from the top rack up there (on the top rack like 10 feet up). And so she gets it down for me and I look at it and I'm like 'nah i got one like it'. Shes like 'why did u make me get it then'. And I was like "I just wanted to see u reach up there". heh so things were goin good. i went and payed for the clothes and went back over and was like " i got things to do so I gotta run'. Shes like " u should stop by here more often, come by and see me again" and she gave me a hug. So I went for the # and she was like " I'm not allowed to give out my # at work and my boss is right there but get it from my friend.' SO I don't know if that was a rejection or not.

Oveall a good weekend but I just wish that I could have gotten more time to get some rejections in during the week. Ah well. Still a fun confidence builder. hey and give me ur opinion. Did I get rejected on the last one or should I Get her # from her friend? (i'm thinkin not).

Here's this week's totals:
* 2 Numbers
* 2 rejections
( one questionable rejection/number)

Sean

Master of the Universe

05-20-2002, 07:58 PM

Fellow recruits,

I hope you had a wonderful and productive weekend!!!

Let's see, here's my scorecard so far...

10 approaches
5 rejections
3 numbers
2 wimping out http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/smile.gif

My favorite rejection was yesterday when I was at the movies with my brother.

I was walking by, and two girls who worked at the theater were talking to each other over whether a third girl they saw walking by them is a friend of theirs names Rachel.

I look around, and see that this girl they're talking about is HOT! I yell at the top of my voice, "Rachel!!"

She turns around, but so does everyone else. I approach her, and it turns out that she's not Rachel. I explain to her the situation with the two workers, and she laughs.

The movie was about to begin, so I tell her that I have to be getting to the theater, but that it was fun talking with her, and that we should exchange numbers and get together later. She thanks me, but tells me that she's here with her bf.

I didn't even bother with a bf destroyer, as I normally would have, since I was just happy to have another rejection!

Now, I have to be honest, and say that this week's lesson was a bit more difficult than I had planned. And judging from the results other DJs have acquired, I think that it would be appropriate to extend this week's lesson for another week. This way we can all have time to go out and get those ten rejection.

So unless anyone here has any objections, we'll continue week #4 until next Sunday, at which point I'll post week #5. I really believe that this week's lesson is very important, and that we all need to get the 10 rejections. But if you disagree, just let me know.

As for some of your comments...

Komodo,

Well, at this point in the Boot Camp, having a car is pretty much a non-issue. You can approach girls anywhere you see them, or if you want to be in a specific place, just take a bus to that destination.

As far as going out to date the girls... well, how have you been getting along up to this point?

El MonoLoco,

"I did get a date with this one chick.Funny thing is I totally forgot to get her #.Shoot I can't even remember if I know her name? Woops! "

lol =) yeah, that's happened once to me before. Oh well.

mistyc,

"Had 4 conversations with strangers in the space of 20 minutes (wow!! a first, for me)."

Congratulations!!! (I'm having a beer in your name http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/smile.gif )

Vegas Playa,

I could just imagine that situation... lol! I think for our purposes here, that would be considered one of your rejections. Congratulations!

As for the pickup lines, dude... I want to get a rejection, not get slapped silly. =)

Xaneus,

Keep up with the great work... and beware of jailbait!

Centaur,

"Today, though is when it really hit. I mean I was macking my ass off today--I must've talked to about 10--12 attractive women today, which, for me, is akin to the whole feeding the two fish to the whole multitude thing."

That's what I LOVE to hear!!! Great job!

"At some point she told me she had a boyfriend, and I simply laughed at her and looked her in the eyes and said, "so when is the wedding?" And she was like "naw, it ain't like that." (Boom!!!!)--I later got her business car."

Good job overcoming the objection!

"We'll see how I can channel this into job-adation."

Confidence and success in one area breeds confidence and success in other areas, so don't be surprised if this helps you in acquiring a job.

Overall, you're doing great!

aznbreakerjrey,

Dude, you're actually doing wonderful! Think about it... you've acquired half of your rejections, plus now you know what you need to improve... you've accomplished two goals at the same time!!!

Thrillseeker,

Great job, 7 rejections!!! Only three more to go, and you're there!

BTW, I like the "smart a$$" types also! There's just something about having to be on your toes that adds more excitement to the whole thing.

Ronin,

Hey, you may not have gotten all the rejections you wanted, but it looks like you got tons of practice down with your other DJ skills!

As for the questionable rejection, that's more subjective. I'll let it be your call.

Well guys, keep up the absolutely fantastic work!!! We now have an extra week to get those ten rejections, so let's go out there and GET REJECTED!!!

Also, I really want to commend all of you for writing about your experiences in such vivid detail. I can visualize the whole scenario as you're describing it!

Master of the Universe

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"Life's a joke... take it too seriously, and the joke's on you" - Master of the Universe

"You can never know everything, and part of what you know is always wrong. Perhaps even the most important part. A portion of wisdom lies in knowing that. A portion of courage lies in going on anyways." - Lan Mandragoran, The Wheel of Time

mistyc

05-20-2002, 08:58 PM

one extra week? Great, gonna give me some time to continue catching up http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/smile.gif)

Vegas Playa

05-20-2002, 11:39 PM

Thanks for the extra week, MoTu. You're not such a heartless drill sergeant after all!

Went to four stores this evening to stock up on supplies for my DJ Bathroom and troll for HBs. Thought I would be out of luck tonight when I saw this exotic Asian cashier at the bookstore. Decided to buy a newspaper and approach her station.

Me: What's your name?

Her: Kathleen (rings up my purchase).

Me: I'm Vegas.

Kathleen: Hi Vegas. Do you receive our e-mail newsletter?

Me: What does that entail?

Kathleen: I just need your e-mail address

Me: (give her some bullshyt address). And how do I get a hold of YOU?

Kathleen: (smiles) uhh...here? I'm sorry, I don't give out my number.

Me: In that case, why don't we trade?

Kathleeen: Sorry. I'm not dating right now, and I'm not interested.

Me: Wow, a straight answer from a woman! Now I like you even more! Oh well, have a good night!

Yo, I don't know about you guys, but I've smiled every time I've been rejected this past week because, I can't wait to get home and post about it. Are you guys experiencing the same thing? If so, we must be confusing the fvck out of a lot of women!

Here's my scorecard thus far:

5 approaches (in the past 5 days)

4 rejections (now that the jailbait issue has been resolved)

1 phone number

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"Fear and fatigue block the mind. Face both, then courage and confidence flow into you." B.K.S. Iyengar

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mistyc

05-21-2002, 07:47 AM

Originally posted by Vegas Playa:
Kathleeen: Sorry. I'm not dating right now, and I'm not interested.

How about trying Pook's response to that:

"So if you're not looking to date or a relationship, what you're looking for is just sex, right?" Then perhaps follow with telling about how men want relationships, but all women seem to want is sex, sex, sex and more sex http://www.sosuave.com/ubb/wink.gif

NormalGuy

05-22-2002, 04:11 AM

Vegas said
Yo, I don't know about you guys, but I've smiled every time I've been rejected this past week because, I can't wait to get home and post about it. Are you guys experiencing the same thing? If so, we must be confusing the fvck out of a lot of women!

I like your attitude, dewd!
The rejections that I was getting were beggining to wear on me. I've been aiming for at least 1 rejection a day now. Definitely it's gotten easier for me, and your post, just now gives me a good boost of confidence to continue on with the training. Tommorrow I have a several prospects that I'm hoping to scope out.

1. Cute girl who works at the lottery tickets booth at the mall.

2. Girl I recognized back from highshcool, who I haven't spoken to in over 5 years, know works at a supermarket that I sometimes go to.

3. Another girl working at a movie theater.

Here's a quick story of how I pooched screwed the initial approach a couple of days ago when I went there to watch star wars. Went up to the counter to get my ticket and on impulse I smiled at her (I try to make a point of smiling at all the chicks I see, just to see if I get any buy signals from them). I was caught by surprise when she returned the smile because typically most service workers are too bored or tired of their jobs to put the effort into it. I wanted to say something right then but there was a lineup behind me and the movie was about to start so I said thanx and went on my merry way. I'm hoping to go back tommorrow and see if I can talk to her when I watch spiderman.

Funny thing is that at this same theater there was this totally different chick, back in my pre-dj days. I was watching blackhawk down at the time, and during the middle of the movie I had to go the washroom, so I went and outside of the theater I bumped into this chick working there, as she was sweeping the floor. I was in a good mood so I smiled at her and didn't think anything of it when she didn't return the smile. Near the end of the movie I realized that I was going to miss an appt that I had if i didn't leave right away, so I got up and proceeded to leave. On the way out the door I passed by the food counter where this chick was, and was halfway out the door when she asked me why I was leaving. Then she asked me what I though of the movie, and I told her it was good cept I had to go. Stupid me, didn't realize that this was a golden oppurtunity to get her number, because she was the one who had initiated the convo.

Live and learn. On with the rejections, and hopefully some numbers, heh

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