Why incels are a 'real and present threat'...

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Wow don't have the patience to join those events. Maybe coffee shops and banks and stuff, but classes and social events, art exhiibits, wine tastings, not my thing at all.
No patience, what?

You can place me anywhere and with whomever and I will have a great time. Patience and willingness are choices

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Dont think I blame sosuave. Probably acted alot more harshly with women because of sosuave which often regret. You can be firm without being a jerk.
Too contrived. Don't think or try to be. Just be present and enjoy. Being an azzhole on purpose is a deep insecurity.


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Hair, skin, facial is OK.
Height is often an issue.
Style don't care much.
Don’t have huge social circle

Height and social circle could be better.
Use shoe lifts if you're short.

Style is very important. If you don't get style, you don't get IT, and thus are dismissed before you even got there.

If you're shopping 20 years younger, your hair and skin cannot be "OK." They must be great.

I have no pics on which to base my recommendations, and much of what I will suggest is outside the subject matter of this thread. So feel free to PM, if you wish to move further on this.
 

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I disagree on the "men get women actively", I know plenty of guys (I've been one myself many years ago) that have girls make the first step and basically make it impossible to fail for them.

I agree that is the norm for most men but I disagree about being it the general rule.
I have a problem with the word “fail”. When I say men are active I mean they approach, they talk first etc. I don’t believe in having any particular motive initially, in which someone could “fail”.

The thing about having girls make the first move is that you a limited to just those women, whereas there are girls who are interested but for one reason or another won’t do anything.
 

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If there was a group of ugly, hairy, green haired feminazies with sh*t attitudes towards men, going around shooting up people because attractive guys won’t f**k them do you think it’s society’s responsibility to find them hot guys to f**k?

Are ugly, hairy, green haired feminazies with sh*t attitudes towards men deserving of men?

People create the reality that they live in. If they want a different reality the change starts with them. The world isn’t going to bend over backwards to accommodate their sense of entitlement.

That’s life.
the huge difference is there are no decent looking women in nice shape with nice jobs and normal personalities who are incel

there are PLENTY of decent looking men with decent bodies who have normal to good jobs and intelligent to normal personalities who don't meet women through social circle/daily routine. If you don't meet women naturally, the difficulty level is incredibly high

the opposite is not true - any decent looking woman can go anywhere and have 5000 c*cks offered to her in 3 seconds.
 
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I have a problem with the word “fail”. When I say men are active I mean they approach, they talk first etc. I don’t believe in having any particular motive initially, in which someone could “fail”.

The thing about having girls make the first move is that you a limited to just those women, whereas there are girls who are interested but for one reason or another won’t do anything.
Not sure that I got your point correctly, when I talk about "failing" I mean failing to escalate or to get something out of that interaction.

I dont know any man that approach random unknown women for reasons different than having sex with them therefore the "fail" Im talking about is when the process is interrupted from her showing no interest.or leaving.
 

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the huge difference is there are no decent looking women in nice shape with nice jobs and normal personalities who are incel

there are PLENTY of decent looking men with decent bodies who have normal to good jobs and intelligent to normal personalities who don't meet women through social circle/daily routine. If you don't meet women naturally, the difficulty level is incredibly high

the opposite is not true - any decent looking woman can go anywhere and have 5000 c*cks offered to her in 3 seconds.
Like I said, people create the reality they live in. If you think your good looks, good hair, high income, magnetic charm with older women, and winning personality isn’t enough for you to land a non white ageless Instagram fitness model because you aren’t a multimillionaire chad collecting the .01 percent of hot high value women, well.......
 

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Like I said, people create the reality they live in. If you think your good looks, good hair, high income, magnetic charm with older women, and winning personality isn’t enough for you to land a non white ageless Instagram fitness model because you aren’t a multimillionaire chad collecting the .01 percent of hot high value women, well.......

I have a somewhat specific taste but lots of other guys don't and even my taste is nowhere near as specific as you're making it out to be. I mostly just like dark features, a fat ass and a girl who works out in terms of physical stuff - I would date an Italian or Greek white girl who work out.

and keep in mind I'm really not that picky on the face. What would you rate this girl in the face? Prolly no more than a 6 right?

 

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I dont know any man that approach random unknown women for reasons different than having sex with them therefore the "fail" Im talking about is when the process is interrupted from her showing no interest.or leaving.
I’m one of those men, I talk to women for all kinds of reasons. I also like to qualify them first because i don’t want to reinforce the idea that they can do as they like and I’ll accept them regardless.
 
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I have a somewhat specific taste but lots of other guys don't and even my taste is nowhere near as specific as you're making it out to be. I mostly just like dark features, a fat ass and a girl who works out in terms of physical stuff - I would date an Italian or Greek white girl who work out.

and keep in mind I'm really not that picky on the face. What would you rate this girl in the face? Prolly no more than a 6 right?

That girl is quite attractive, you're taste isn't bad at all.
 

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the huge difference is there are no decent looking women in nice shape with nice jobs and normal personalities who are incel

there are PLENTY of decent looking men with decent bodies who have normal to good jobs and intelligent to normal personalities who don't meet women through social circle/daily routine. If you don't meet women naturally, the difficulty level is incredibly high

the opposite is not true - any decent looking woman can go anywhere and have 5000 c*cks offered to her in 3 seconds.
I don’t quite see what your point is. The reason why this is, is because men and women are wired differently. Your remark about decent looking men being incels only reinforces that looks aren’t everything when it comes to men. Women also have lower sex drives and more importantly like sex in a different way to men, this is pretty much what I say in most of my posts.
What would you rate this girl in the face? Prolly no more than a 6 right?

If you rate this girl no more than a 6 then that says a lot about you situation...and you say you aren’t picky?
 

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I don’t quite see what your point is. The reason why this is, is because men and women are wired differently. Your remark about decent looking men being incels only reinforces that looks aren’t everything when it comes to men. Women also have lower sex drives and more importantly like sex in a different way to men, this is pretty much what I say in most of my posts.
Just FYI, I look at dating in a very similar way that women do too. I want somebody who is a really good match for me in terms of chemistry, morals, character, etc... in addition to being physically attractive... but that game is still a million times easier for women just due to the huge amount of options they always have

For men, if you don't meet women naturally through friends and work, the difficulty level is absolutely incredible. Online dating is pretty much only for top 1% of men. Trying to cold approach at bars and gyms and stores has like a 99% chance of rejection
 
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Just FYI, I look at dating in a very similar way that women do too. I want somebody who is a really good match for me in terms of chemistry, morals, character, etc... in addition to being physically attractive... but that game is still a million times easier for women just due to the huge amount of options they always have

For men, if you don't meet women naturally through friends and work, the difficulty level is absolutely incredible. Online dating is pretty much only for top 1% of men.
You mean the top 1% of ethnic guys like you. Statistics show that white guys do not have a problem with online dating, and get a 70% reply rate with Latina/non-white type of chicks you are interested in. You may as well lie on your profile, say you are white and claim you have a tan or something for an experiment and see if you have better traction online.
 

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You mean the top 1% of ethnic guys like you. Statistics show that white guys do not have a problem with online dating, and get a 70% reply rate with Latina/non-white type of chicks you are interested in. You may as well lie on your profile, say you are white and claim you have a tan or something for an experiment and see if you have better traction online.
I always put in caucasian under race - which Armenian is caucasian. We're not arabs

Most Americans generally assume I'm either Spanish (Spain Spanish not Mexican) or Greek
 

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Exposure and outcome independence.

The anxieties and awkwardness a lot of men feel when dealing with attractive women in particular is routed in sexual thought. When you talk to another guy, an old woman, an ugly woman without anxiety or awkwardness... it is highly likely because those sexual thoughts are not there to interfere.

But when you see a hot lady with a fine body and a gorgeous face, you immediately begin to think along a sexual line. It doesn't necessarily have to literally be thoughts of sexual acts, but just the process of accruing intimacy itself with such a woman: What to say, how to get the number, how to get the date, the kiss, into the bedroom.... all while escaping the very high probability or certainty of being rejected, feeling devalued and humiliated; a real experience that you are certain is going to happen, yet again.

Outcome independence is essentially just talking to such women in the same manner as you would an old or ugly lady, a buddy, a cashier... you take these sexual thoughts out of the equation.

By doing so, the anxiety driven by these fears routed in sexual though will dissipate. In turn, awkwardness can be relaxed all the same. It will allow you to function more comfortably, relaxed and more genuine. More inviting. Less intense. Less threatening and thirsty. All things that are otherwise barriers to developing a connection with such a woman that can allow things to pursue.

Once a man achieves this feeling of comfort, it is only then that he can most effectively begin to ease into pursuing sexual avenues again. Start off with some very subtle flirting or joking from that very comfortable frame. No pick up lines required. No tricks required. Just a straight up, new-found level of comfort, confidence and charm.
It also comes from bad social conditioning. You think a child with innocence will see a hot chick and stutter? NO he wants to play with her boobs! Seriously. Don Juan should be as easy as breathing. When you see that super hot chick, contain your desire like seeing a super hot dish getting prepared. You know you are going to eat it so be patient. What do you think your mom will like better? You being impatient and eating the dish off the stove she hasn’t completed making yet, or you playing while she prepares the hot dish and serves it to you on a nice plate? Women are the same. They WANT to be consumed. They WANT to be admired. Just don’t be needy for it.
 
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