Who are women actually dating and how do they find them?

[Velasco]

He was good in Sonny (2002). Anyways Friday night. Good luck to anyone else going out.

Pan, I was you maybe 3-4 years ago. I made this same comment to lorderra (?). I know you ok. With more experience you will reach my level of understanding of all this sht and see all the silliness of your comments (I was the same arrogant know it all, so I sympathize) good luck to you as well.

 

[dasein]

holding a rifle and smirking, or sitting on a motorbike.

Young men reading, do NOT put firearms in your OLD pics unless it's on a gun fan site or similar. Same effect as smoking a cigarette on OLD pics. Don't do it.

As far as smiling goes using OLD? If you are lowish body fat, have an above average masculine face, jaw, chin, hairline, cheekbones, eyes, dimples, facial hair, etc., beam away in one picture. If you are slender, have feminine or more boyish facial features, grin or smirk instead. It's relative and not absolute. I and friends have done it either way depending on baseline looks.

In person, if you have a good smile, use it only for validation when she initiates or escalates touching OR makes it obviously easier and inviting for you to touch her. Otherwise smirk, grin or narrow eyes. If you can do a more "deranged" Joker smile, use it as validation only when she laughs with you and leans or moves closer to you. I do lots of winking with a Mona Lisa smile when negging, but I'm old. No idea whether people wink any more generally, still works for me.

But no guns in OLD pics, please! Well unless you have a totally maxed out SMV... but then you wouldn't be reading this thread or even know of the existence of this forum, would you.

 

[Velasco]

1:45 - 1:55 is the classic Franco smile. Very effective

 

[DonJuanjr]

How would a pic of doing squats come off?

 

[dasein]

Your advice: My Advice:

Maybe wear a Trump hat in the pictures with firearms too? You should stop while you are behind.

A few things for men to NEVER put in OLD pictures:
Beer Can Pyramids
Unframed Posters on walls, ****ty art generally, ****ty furniture (most guys have ****ty furniture when younger, even when they think it's "nice")
Video game rig or Xbox components, anything juvenile anywhere
Sports Team Jerseys, decorations unless you play on the team
Firearms or ANY weapons other than maybe a recurve bow
Tobacco
Political stuff
Hot women or any women unless they are obviously upper middle class or higher
Drunkenness or partying pictures unless at upper middle class or higher events
More than one Buddy, and that one should be about even with you in looks and doesn't look much like you.
Babies
Taxidermies
More than one picture of you with a billed hat on.
More than one picture of a pickup truck
Pictures of Country Music stars, concerts, etc.
Pro Wrestling Pictures, shows, etc.
MMA or martial arts unless you are the one fighting
Anime or other cringey nerd-bait
Fishing gear/boats other than fly fishing or deep sea

That should give the gist.

 

[DonJuanjr]

If you're doing heavy weight, you'll look like you're trying to squeeze one out.

I mean like right after un racking the bar at the top of a squat. So you can see the plates, but not in an exerting facial expression yet.

 

[B80]

Not good.

If you're doing heavy weight, you'll look like you're trying to squeeze one out.

put fake foam 20k plates on instead?

 

[zinc4]

I used to do a tonne of cold approaching. Up to 50 to 100 a day sometimes. Unless you are just super good looking and maybe ripped or really tall...most will end up with just empty numbers that go nowhere. Not always ofcourse but yeah....be prepared to get rejected a lot or some number where she never replies.

Also watchout for jealous boyfriends. Can be easy to get into an altercation. Often times women will look like they are alone and then the boyfriend comes up out of nowhere.

 

[dasein]

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Thanks for the fallacious, inaccurate personal insults and shaming attempts in that ramble. In poker we call those "tells." Will resist posting the barely fired 80s 7MM RMag BAR I bought for $400 a couple weeks ago or my truck.

Maybe consider that doubling down on bad arguments and shaming-type fallacies will hamper your success with women and generally. Arguing like a woman will rarely get you any women.

 

[SW15]

I used to do a tonne of cold approaching. Up to 50 to 100 a day sometimes. Unless you are just super good looking and maybe ripped or really tall...most will end up with just empty numbers that go nowhere. Not always ofcourse but yeah....be prepared to get rejected a lot or some number where she never replies.

Also watchout for jealous boyfriends. Can be easy to get into an altercation. Often times women will look like they are alone and then the boyfriend comes up out of nowhere.

I'm impressed you did that much cold approaching. When I would go out and do cold approaches during the day on weekends, I might get in 3 in 2 hours. I did try to use sniper game and pick my spots. I'm not tall (5'10") and not ripped (normal BMI). I found cold approaching to be a tough road to follow but it's still better than being an app swiper.

I never had the jealous boyfriend issue during the day. I had it once at night with some weak beta trying to do mate guarding on me. I bet that thing failed fast.

 

[stringpuller]

Being likeable, and being nice are totally different. Look up Heartiste's the "lovable as$hole

Heartiste on Game is the absolute game bible. Everyone on this forum should have a copy. 300+ pages of insight.

 

[zinc4]

I'm impressed you did that much cold approaching. When I would go out and do cold approaches during the day on weekends, I might get in 3 in 2 hours. I did try to use sniper game and pick my spots. I'm not tall (5'10") and not ripped (normal BMI). I found cold approaching to be a tough road to follow but it's still better than being an app swiper.

I never had the jealous boyfriend issue during the day. I had it once at night with some weak beta trying to do mate guarding on me. I bet that thing failed fast.

Me and my brother used to be like machines man. The best thing about daytime cold approaching is it greatly enhances your nightlife game.

If you are approaching like a machine in the day time then at nightime in bars or clubs especially with some drinks involved you could give a **** less and are going after every decent looking woman you see. Even if you dont ever pull in the daytime you def will at nighttime if you are into that just because you will be immune to rejection there and numbers will always be on your side.

If you have a good wingman ill tell you a good and very fun exercise in the day time for cold approach and its very simple.

Flip a coin. The loser goes first. Any girl you point put with who is not with a man he has to go approach her immediately. Doesnt matter if he likes the way she looms or is with her family or friends. This us about building comfort and immunity to rejection.

Then after he approaches it is his turn to point someone for you to approach. Do this in busy public places like shopping malls. Rules are you need to not just approach but number close attempt as well.

Try to point out the hottest chicks you see as well to up the intimidation factor. Do solo girls and girls in groups and work fast dont procrastinate with eachother.

The first who declines or pussies out has to buy all the drinks next time you go out.

Do this game. Its simple and actually a lot of fun and it builds a genuine detachment to rejection and or the outcome.

Bet your nightime results improve dramatically after a few days if doing this game. You might have some quality numbers as well.

 

[Hollywood4life]

Looks reign supreme.

It's much easier for a guy to improve his physical appearance - hitting the gym, eating healthier, dressing nicer -than for him to learn game.

Focus on the lower hanging fruit, which is your looks.

It's hard as heck to 'game' your way through life. It's much, much easier to develop a physical appearance that's attractive.

A guy that your average HB8 would consider a 6, can easily transform himself into a 7.5 - simply by doing the 3 things I mentioned earlier.

Ugly guys need to stop buying into the myth that solid game will get you far with beautiful girls.

My first approach EVER I got the girl to comeover(I fkked It up because I told her her lady friends could come to ,but that’s not the point

I had no style back then ,skinny fat below average looking joe, but I used some “game “ to lure her in and it worked...

you’re whole theory is shtt because I’ve seen it firsthand with my TWIN brother too who was below average at one point

it’s so easy to say looks are everything, but what about these dorky sloppy guys that have hot gfs I see almost everyday?

You can’t tell me you don’t see below average guys with hot girls all the Frkin time if you’re out and about every week ..if you don’t see them then you’re a recluse/don’t go out much

You’re still angry playing the victim like we all can do( I still do to)

 

[user252009]

These guys are the exception, not the rule.

Dunno man, here in Germany it's mostly guys like that that one can see with the hot girls, so..

 

[Fruitbat]

Some potential observations:

I was a little overweight and no Chad and I did just fine on OLD. I was mid 30s and getting dates with women in late 20s and up to my own age.

one was a quite hot marketing manager who I screwed in a London hotel, that didn’t go much further. We got really drunk and I think the chick spiked my drink with viagra, as I was blind drunk but strangely extremely hard all night!

they were all passable girls prob 5-7 in total terms which was probably where I stood in SMV at the time.

I deliberately avoided the “hot” girls and looked for solid, non fat women who would have looked reasonable naked! None were particularly ugly but none were knockout. I figured the hot ones would have had an army of c0ck around them. Interestingly my wife was one of the hottest I saw on there so that theory might be a stupid one to adopt.

If you’re photo model looks that may actually put off a lot of women. Some women quite like more average looking guys for many reasons. They may have been played by guys as attractive as you. They don’t want to be the ugly one in the relationship. Some women like the rugged manliness of a fairly ugly face. I don’t know what you look like but some guys look very fine Italian type looks but some girls just like rugged and weathered faces.

mainly I think a lot of girls like the idea of a man that they can keep - and a photo model is not that guy. They are always thinking marriage.

if you met these girls on holiday or at abar you would probably get them. Most are on OLD not for a lay, but for a boyfriend hence your looks may be a minus!

personally I changed my profile from the DJ approved peacock/masculine one to a dad-like guy in a blazer. I constructed a profile of a non player but “solid guy who would look good on your own and at a social function”type thing and that saw me increase massively.

I think this is where the red pill gets it wrong - really wrong for men over say 27ish. The kind of player persona is a young man thing.

All I can say is my experience. I am no expert but this is what worked for me and it flew in the face somewhat of everything game has to say. However, game was very useful in HOW you communicate and the attitude you bring.

yes you see hot girls with average looking guys but we are misunderstanding their rating system. You also see very jacked guys with fatties.

a hot girl with brains will still not date a meathead gym guy. There is a social shame amongst the intelligent in choosing overtly sexual partners.

loads of things go into this, which is why SMV isn’t a constant and is different for everyone.

as an example for me any girl over 5 6 is an immediate 0. I don’t like tall girls. I don’t like collagen lips, I hate fake tan and tattoos. I also couldn’t date a girl who likes shyt music.
women have this odd rating system too. A 9 to me could be another man’s 5,

 

[RangerMIke]

My stance is - focus on your looks, your physique, and your style.
When you look better, you naturally feel better.

Truth. How you look, your personal level of fitness, what you put in your body, and what you wear is something you have 100% control over. Focus on what you can control.

Behavior, is something that has been instilled in you over time... harder to change. But it is much easier to change behavior when you feel better about yourself. Looking good, being fit, and taking care of yourself is certainly NOT going to hurt you.

As far as hot chicks being with visibly sloppy looking dudes.... Well, you have no idea what is going on. Women get with men based on the man's ability to meet her needs... and these needs change over time. Every chick has different needs, you can not look at individual instances and create a generalization. MOST women are going to be attracted to good looking men, who have their sh1t together... but there are exceptions.

 

[Hollywood4life]

So what would you guys say hot woman meet most men from?

Social circle/friends/work probably 80% together ,OLD 15% and the 5% rest random? Just my guess

 

[SW15]

So what would you guys say hot woman meet most men from?

Social circle/friends/work probably 80% together ,OLD 15% and the 5% rest random? Just my guess

Fewer people are forming relationships at work, a trend that has been going on since the 1990s.

My guess is social circle/friends, mainly from high school, college, and graduate school if applicable. It's much more difficult to make friends post college.

 

[AttackFormation]

Fewer people are forming relationships at work, a trend that has been going on since the 1990s.

My guess is social circle/friends, mainly from high school, college, and graduate school if applicable. It's much more difficult to make friends post college.

So yeah... the internet as a whole is about 15%, not even half of the most common one, and still less than the next two most common. No wonder really.

 

[SW15]

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So yeah... the internet as a whole is about 15%, not even half of the most common one, and still less than the next two most common. No wonder really.

Out in a social setting is vague. That could mean the woman was cold approached in a bar. That could mean day game. I'd like some clarity on the meaning of "out in a social setting" if applicable.