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Background: I've been studying the game since I was about 15 (yeah I know.....) after already having internalized the fact that my highly religious mormon dad wasn't gonna tell me **** when it came to what I needed to have even minimal success with women (he was a varsity quarterback with sports scholarships to college and from what I've heard, had more than a few women throwing themselves at him, but had never been with anyone except my mother. Who divorced him a few years back, im sure you all can deduce a fair amount just from that lol), studied a huge amount of old school pickup, rollo tomassi, and a lot of more spiritually-driven work concerning the masculine-feminine dynamics necessary to create and maintain attraction. Pretty much everything i saw in highschool consistently lined up with what I had read about, and despite being really awkward and experiencing my fair share of truly embarassing fumbles, by the time i was 18-19 I had internalized it within myself to where I began actually being able to attract some of the girls I'd wanted to earlier on. (had very solid success in highschool with 6-7's but my internal game was too ****ed to be able to get the women I really wanted.) Another thing thats added to that fact is that I'm a semi professional musician and have been working towards it since I was a kid, im not gonna link anything I've done but just know that people all across north america and europe listen to stuff I've produced every day even though they wouldnt recognize me in it. I do that and also have a part time job, but all in all am not choosing to pursue college at the moment even though I made sure my grades were adequate to be able to later on if i ever chose to. The game as a Gen - Z baby is an interesting thing because in a way its easier than ever before if you dress well, know how to charm people, and have an understanding of the game, but also harder because the vast majority of the girls in my age demographic are SOULLESS, and i say that with no overemphasis. There's this very pervasive feel of materialist nihilism amongst young people now and I've simply been able to protect myself from the misery a lot of my friends have gone through over exes/plates due to accepting all the cold hard redpill facts I've seen reveal themselves time and time again in my own life. Im really not miserable, this cultural world i reside on the fringes of may be, but the amount of my friends I've seen with their hearts + peace of mind absolutely shattered because their precious alyssa/zoey/emma/stella was snorting pills and sucking off some wannabe gangster in the back of his dad's tesla when she told him he was her forever...... I just chose to laugh alongside the abyss and accept things for the way they were. I dont really leave my house much since last summer except for work but have been able to pull this one 8 on tinder who hit me up first + another 8 at a halloween party just from going out with friends who cared more about the social world than me. The truth didnt really set me free, it only really made me crazier. But in a generation of suicidal, drug/porn addicted, rapidly decomposing young men, all of whom are waiting for the princess they were promised on disney channel while a select few are stretching them out to be married off the AFCS and discarded in a few years, I think i made the right choice for me. At this point I really just wanna succeed in my ideas for my future and be continuously learning and studying and improving my mind, but at this point I've seen and experienced so much that I'm never gonna be able to look at love, relationships, dating, and sex the same way as a zoomer AFC. I've had a small taste of the success every guy fantasizes about while most of my peers have regressed deeper and deeper since graduation but I want more. At this point in my life and possibly forever, women my age are just a fun game with a sweet reward that I've tasted just enough of to get me excited. You can call it ****ed but I see quasi-misandrist stacies and far-left goth/alt girls as the most fun, because once my game got to a certain level around age 18 you see all their pseudo woke mainstream psyop BS crack and they're usually the freakiest + most feminine and sexually submissive. Anyone older or around my same age + mentality living in the united states, where are the best places to go to meet zoomer post-highschool age women? I'm not really socially awkard at all and I've been told im extremely charming and charismatic in big settings, i just simply dont get anything out of most casual social interactions and am extremely focused on my own future.
 

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Working retail, fast food, etc.

Going to the mall

Once you're 21 add bars and clubs to the list above.
 

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Working retail, fast food, etc.

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Once you're 21 add bars and clubs to the list above.
Appreciate it bro, I was living in oregon with some friends when i was 19 and spit some charm on this one cute health food employee with piercings and multicolored hair, she was literally giggling like a little girl and displaying very telling body language, only to realize that her instagram bio said "misandrist" after we added each other. I think more guys nowadays would do well to realize the vast difference between feminine energy at its core and the fronts they put up to scare losers and simps off. The mall is a good one as well, especially in my area. I'm not stereotypically good looking but have a certain unique charm and have always understood style, In the past I've had success from women coming to me first but I've only recently realized how little female rejection actually means in the grand scheme oft things
 

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That wall of text is difficult to read. I had to try to break up this up into more readable paragraphs. Additionally, there's not a lot of great structure to this writing. There's not a topic sentence in what might appear to be paragraphs supported by a few related sentences.

Background: I've been studying the game since I was about 15 (yeah I know.....) after already having internalized the fact that my highly religious mormon dad wasn't gonna tell me **** when it came to what I needed to have even minimal success with women (he was a varsity quarterback with sports scholarships to college and from what I've heard, had more than a few women throwing themselves at him, but had never been with anyone except my mother. Who divorced him a few years back, im sure you all can deduce a fair amount just from that lol), studied a huge amount of old school pickup, rollo tomassi, and a lot of more spiritually-driven work concerning the masculine-feminine dynamics necessary to create and maintain attraction.

Pretty much everything i saw in highschool consistently lined up with what I had read about, and despite being really awkward and experiencing my fair share of truly embarassing fumbles, by the time i was 18-19 I had internalized it within myself to where I began actually being able to attract some of the girls I'd wanted to earlier on. (had very solid success in highschool with 6-7's but my internal game was too ****ed to be able to get the women I really wanted.)Pretty much everything i saw in highschool consistently lined up with what I had read about, and despite being really awkward and experiencing my fair share of truly embarassing fumbles, by the time i was 18-19 I had internalized it within myself to where I began actually being able to attract some of the girls I'd wanted to earlier on. (had very solid success in highschool with 6-7's but my internal game was too ****ed to be able to get the women I really wanted.)
You didn't have a great example growing up with your dad. Your dad seems like he was a top tier guy on looks/status (good looking typical Mormon White guy) who was a quarterback. Quarterback status on a high school football team is enough to attract women and he got your mom. These may have been two idealistic, regularly practicing Mormons. However, @Fantasmo 's mom wasn't that devout in her Mormonism as she filed for divorce. Dad underachieved as a potential top tier guy. Even though he had looks and status at one time, his charisma was lacking. Game is some combination of money, looks, status, and charisma. While the dad had looks and status, his lack of charisma and possible lack of money limited what he could achieve. The element of the religious practice does affect this whole thing too.

Many of the Baby Boomer dads born in the late 1940s-1950s were not prepared to teach their 1980s born Millennial sons about post 2000 dating. @Fantasmo was born in 2002 and likely had parents born in the mid to late 1970s, so it's likely that the parents experienced the dating world of the 1990s. That would have been more applicable outside of a religious setting. People who dated in the 1990s had more applicable experiences than people who dated in the 1960s-1970s. The 1960s-1980s were a transitional time in most Western nations in terms of the norms and practices around dating and long term relationships.

It's good that you discovered old school PUAs and Rollo Tomassi earlier in life. There are men that don't discover that type of stuff until their 30s-50s.

It's good you saw real life examples in high school of the male-female dynamics Rollo Tomassi describes in "The Rational Male" and other writings.

Having successes with women in the 6-7 range while in high school is an achievement. You weren't totally incel in high school.

Another thing thats added to that fact is that I'm a semi professional musician and have been working towards it since I was a kid, im not gonna link anything I've done but just know that people all across north america and europe listen to stuff I've produced every day even though they wouldnt recognize me in it.
That's an achievement. You could have money and status as a result of that. Sometimes, money and status is all you need to get laid. Bill Gates used his money and Microsoft CEO status to get a mediocre looking careerist woman with an advanced degree within his workplace. Gates is a decent example of basing game solely around money and status.

As a musician guy, the target market of women might be more artsy women. You're also young too, so there's not as clear of a niche for you as compared to a 25, 30, or 35 year old guy trying to date.

The game as a Gen - Z baby is an interesting thing because in a way its easier than ever before if you dress well, know how to charm people, and have an understanding of the game, but also harder because the vast majority of the girls in my age demographic are SOULLESS, and i say that with no overemphasis. There's this very pervasive feel of materialist nihilism amongst young people now and I've simply been able to protect myself from the misery a lot of my friends have gone through over exes/plates due to accepting all the cold hard redpill facts I've seen reveal themselves time and time again in my own life
I think you have a valid point about some generational differences between dating Gen Z women and the previous generation of Millennial women. I was born in the mid-1980s and have been dating women born in the mid to late 1980s.

However, I don't perceive the differences between dating a Millennial woman vs. Gen Z woman are as significant as the differences between dating a Gen X woman vs. a Gen Y/Millennial or to go back further, the differences between a Baby Boomer woman vs. a Gen X woman.

Millennial women could be categorized as soulless and nihilist too.

I dont really leave my house much since last summer except for work but have been able to pull this one 8 on tinder who hit me up first + another 8 at a halloween party just from going out with friends who cared more about the social world than me. The truth didnt really set me free, it only really made me crazier. But in a generation of suicidal, drug/porn addicted, rapidly decomposing young men, all of whom are waiting for the princess they were promised on disney channel while a select few are stretching them out to be married off the AFCS and discarded in a few years, I think i made the right choice for me.
Not leaving your house is a bit problematic for finding new vagina. You did have a solid pull off of Tinder but that's not easy to achieve. The fact that you got laid off of Tinder in 2021-2022 shows me that you have something going for you. On most swipe apps, the Top 10% men have massive abundance. The next 40% of men (51th - 89th percentile men) struggle to some level and the bottom 50% of men are ignored and discarded.

You talk about people getting married off and AFCs. Most social circles are like that. I have a good thread about that.


The red pill truths can often be difficult to swallow and it seems like you're experiencing that. I experienced that as well at one time.

Men are sedating with porn, drugs, and alcohol because the average woman doesn't want the average man. The average woman's hypergamy is unrestrained and she's busy chasing the Top 10-20% of men while ignoring the rest. A 70th percentile guy (meaning a 7 in looks and doing above average in money/status too) often struggles in this market, despite having some solid accomplishments. Outside of the Top 20%, a lot of men are sedating due to being ignored.

When women complain "Where Have All the Good Men Gone?", it's ridiculous. Most women are ignoring decent men. The typical 35-40 year old woman who says this has more options than most men in her age range, even top tier 35-40 year old men.

Anyone older or around my same age + mentality living in the united states, where are the best places to go to meet zoomer post-highschool age women? I'm not really socially awkard at all and I've been told im extremely charming and charismatic in big settings, i just simply dont get anything out of most casual social interactions and am extremely focused on my own future
If you want to meet better quality women, you are going to need to get out of your house more and get off of all the swipe apps.

I would recommend at your age developing social circles, if you don't already have them. You're young enough to build a social circle from scratch and actually have it make a difference. It's much more difficult to build a social circle from scratch at 30 or 35.

Wheat Waffles made a good video about how to play your cards in dating based on your looks level. This video was released in June 2022. This might help you figure some stuff out. I learned from this video that daygame is my best option. That's good because I have been a primarily daygame guy since the early 2010s.

 

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A high-end brothel. :rolleyes:
I'd rather be totally alone than pay a woman for sex or companionship, I enjoy my own company and if she's gonna be with me its gonna be because she likes me
 

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I'd rather be totally alone than pay a woman for sex or companionship, I enjoy my own company and if she's gonna be with me its gonna be because she likes me
I guess you will be going MGTOW then. :rolleyes:
 
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Escorts serve a purpose, even if that is to scratch an itch, build your confidence, mental clarity.

I wouldn’t do it now but they served a purpose in my 20s.
 

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I guess you will be going MGTOW then. :rolleyes:
whoah sounds like projection lol. I cant tell if you're trolling but if mgtow or brothels are guys' only option then they must be doing something wrong
 

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whoah sounds like projection lol. I cant tell if you're trolling but if mgtow or brothels are guys' only option then they must be doing something wrong
Not likely that this seasoned vet is projecting or trolling. He must have hit a nerve if you felt compelled to chirp back.
But I certainly can't disagree with what you wrote: "if mgtow or brothels are guys' only option then they must be doing something wrong " assuming they are at least average in looks and don't have too much brain damage.
 

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whoah sounds like projection lol. I cant tell if you're trolling but if mgtow or brothels are guys' only option then they must be doing something wrong
For "highly attractive women", a brothel is a normie's only option. :rolleyes:
 

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I'd rather be totally alone than pay a woman for sex or companionship, I enjoy my own company and if she's gonna be with me its gonna be because she likes me
You are too young to seriously consider something like this as a means to achieve sex. There is nothing wrong with it, but at your age there are plenty of opportunities for you to be meeting women that are available/single and in their physical prime. The dating market is potentially the easiest to play when you are in your teens and early-mid 20s because of the fact that these women are very often not in a serious or long term relationship.

The game definitely changes though once you start getting past 25 and especially when you begin approaching 30 and beyond. When they start approaching 30, most women have a switch that clicks and they start looking for a man to be in a long term relationship with or possibly even end up getting married. Much of this is due to biology and the realization that their fertility window is beginning to close and their looks and the attention from men they once got is slowly fading.

For a woman to be past 30 AND single AND childless is not a good choice, at least in my opinion. One, there's probably a reason why she is in this predicament in the first place. Even unattractive women will have an entire harem of men to choose from so you should see this as a red flag. The first thing that comes to mind is hyper competitive/ambitious career women. There is nothing wrong with this behavior but these women are behaving on a much more masculine wavelength and may be difficult to form a real relationship or familywith, if that is your goal. The other thing I think of is women that are just too god damn picky, which is a very common one from what I've seen.

Getting all of this out of the way, you need to get yourself around other people your own age, that includes both men and women. The easiest way for you to meet someone is by having a good group of guy friends who know someone else who knows someone else, etc. However, you should definitely avoid hanging out with loser males, this will just keep you back. The biggest issue I had when I was in my late teens and early 20s, currently early 30s, was not having a social life at all and never being around people my own age.
 

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You are too young to seriously consider something like this as a means to achieve sex. There is nothing wrong with it, but at your age there are plenty of opportunities for you to be meeting women that are available/single and in their physical prime. The dating market is potentially the easiest to play when you are in your teens and early-mid 20s because of the fact that these women are very often not in a serious or long term relationship.
Agree.

The game definitely changes though once you start getting past 25 and especially when you begin approaching 30 and beyond. When they start approaching 30, most women have a switch that clicks and they start looking for a man to be in a long term relationship with or possibly even end up getting married. Much of this is due to biology and the realization that their fertility window is beginning to close and their looks and the attention from men they once got is slowly fading.
Agree. I told a story on another thread today about this total looks mismatched couple in my social circle. I think the woman with 2.5 points higher SMV is using the guy as a beta bucks to have children with a decent dad who will be around after likely failing with top tier Alpha/Sigma males. She was willing to settle big time.

For a woman to be past 30 AND single AND childless is not a good choice, at least in my opinion. One, there's probably a reason why she is in this predicament in the first place. Even unattractive women will have an entire harem of men to choose from so you should see this as a red flag. The first thing that comes to mind is hyper competitive/ambitious career women. There is nothing wrong with this behavior but these women are behaving on a much more masculine wavelength and may be difficult to form a real relationship or familywith, if that is your goal. The other thing I think of is women that are just too god damn picky, which is a very common one from what I've seen.
All true. There was a thread about this type of woman today.


Getting all of this out of the way, you need to get yourself around other people your own age, that includes both men and women. The easiest way for you to meet someone is by having a good group of guy friends who know someone else who knows someone else, etc. However, you should definitely avoid hanging out with loser males, this will just keep you back. The biggest issue I had when I was in my late teens and early 20s, currently early 30s, was not having a social life at all and never being around people my own age.
All true and this is good advice.
 

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For "highly attractive women", a brothel is a normie's only option. :rolleyes:
I suppose there's a fair amount of subjectivity to what qualifies as "highly attractive" but In my age range + below and above I see the types of girls Im most interested in with guys that are not necessarily their physical looksmatch all the time. This isn't necessarily to say that they dont have lots of other things going for them + guys who are just genetic 9's and 10's dont have a massive advantage, but its not quite that simple, as I'm sure you know. Also i wonder if you may have a different definition of what constitutes a "normie" than i do lol. Im definitely not fabulously wealthy and dont look like Brad Pitt in 1992 but I know for a fact I would be considered well above average in quite a few categories as far as the factors of "the game" go for a 20 year old guy. This doesn't really have much to do with what I was talking about i guess im just new to SS tho, as I was more looking for suggestions and advice on how to find more people to connect with and possibly date in real life since I work from home and work on my business from there as well.
 

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Not likely that this seasoned vet is projecting or trolling. He must have hit a nerve if you felt compelled to chirp back.
But I certainly can't disagree with what you wrote: "if mgtow or brothels are guys' only option then they must be doing something wrong " assuming they are at least average in looks and don't have too much brain damage.
Yeah perhaps it just had something to do with the fact that I try to stay away from ideas based around fixed determinism, there's definitely an element of it to take into account but I believe that in this aspect of life, a lot of men have more power than they choose to believe when it comes to their success. Though everything comes at a cost of course...
 
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