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I do. That’s what gentleman should do At least that’s what I am getting used to.
I ghost right after this sentence. Again this is why OLD is s dumpster fire. Approach and going out and talking to girls in realtime is the way to go.

OP you spent too much time going back and forth and it is approaching you negotiating her desire to meet up with you.
 

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Where exactly I was qualifying myself to her?
The third message in the exchange where you suggest the hipster pub. Here are the Cliff Notes.

You: Let’s meet
Her: Maybe. Depends what you offer.
You: Hipster pub?
Her: Nope
You: Coffee?
Her: Nope. Dinner.
You: Nah
Her: See ya

See it now?

You accepted her premise of “Maybe. Depends where you take me.”

Never accept a “Maybe”. It’s not a solid yes.

She is desirable enough that she has plenty of options. So she didn’t find OP desirable enough NOT to d!ck around fishing for a free meal. For a man she *really* likes? She’s all about the hipster pub, trust me.

OP saved his money on this one.
 
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Lol. This is girl trying to put herself in man's shoes, coming up with what she thinks an 1950s alpha male would say.

She not gonna respond well to that and then it'd be written off as "low interest"

The proper response is what I said in response to her, "I prefer somewhere more relaxed" on the first page of this thread.

I've written about this else where. Calling it Losing the (frame) battle to win the war.


She just through that word in there. But what she means is getting into logical talk. Anti seductive
She will respond perfectly fine to that if it is delivered with attitude and no fvcks given. That is not my imagination. It’s what I have seen a player with hundreds of lays deliver off the cuff to check some entitled chick (who later was in his bed.)

It may not resonate with you from a style perspective but that is a different issue. Your vernacular would transmit the same message in your manner of speaking.
 

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Im pretty sure, that everyone has a secret. It's the same with drugs, not everyone take drugs or drinks alcohol. I wouldn't see that as a red flag, but would take it in consideration, if she was lying
Its so she can resist sex, she has no intention of sleeping with most men.
 

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Wow. That chick is better looking than 95 percent of the women on old within 50 mile radius of me! Especially if she lost 10lbs!!
 
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Texted a latina girl in IG, after a short convo proposed to meet. She is 7/8 - not a dime for me. Below is our conversation:

Me: Are you free tonight?
Her: Maybe. Where would you like to take me?
Me: There is one hipster pub close to center
Her: I can’t drink alcohol. I prefer somewhere more relax.
Me: Coffee?
Her: No. A restaurant where we don’t have that much noise
Me: I do not go on dinners on the first date
Her: I do. That’s what gentleman should do At least that’s what I am getting used to.
Me: So you define if the guy is a gentleman if he brings to you to a fancy place?
Her: Who says it has to be fancy. I define a gentleman a man who takes his time to take me somewhere. A coffee is something I can do anytime
Me: Too bad. Cause I love coffee meeting that people can do anytime
Her: Enjoy your coffee then

I do consider her as a typical chick who is looking for guy. So no reply from my side.

What do you think?
Simple, she is not interested in you. She is interested in being treated well because of how she looks. Which in my opinion, not my thing. Too chunky, too easy-looking, too concerned about her looks aka vain, too much make-up, simply put I am turned off and does not arouse me at all.

She might a typical girl looking to be fed for free. One of red flag (which to most men it isn't), it's a girl with a IG full of photos of herself posing. This is simply a girl looking for attention/validation. Mainly insecure deep down about herself but full of ego because of the attention she gets in social media or thirsty guys in public.

This is the type of girl I usually stay away from nor I'm inclined to connect to begin with. But if that is your thing, then nothing wrong with it. We just have different tastes but you do have to pay attention to her attitude.

Form the get go, she says things like "maybe, where would you like to take me", "No", "That's what gentlemen do" etc are just ways she is trying to lead and place you in her frame and get away with what she most likely gets away with on a daily basis because she shows some cleveage and some legs and half of her fat ass.

So to recap, her looks along with her attitude I define as rachet and entitled. There is nothing about her (from the surface) that can possibly contribute to any man's life aka waste of time unless you're p**y whipped.


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Simple, she is not interested in you. She is interested in being treated well because of how she looks. Which in my opinion, not my thing. Too chunky, too easy-looking, too concerned about her looks aka vain, too much make-up, simply put I am turned off and does not arouse me at all.

She might a typical girl looking to be fed for free. One of red flag (which to most men it isn't), it's a girl with a IG full of photos of herself posing. This is simply a girl looking for attention/validation. Mainly insecure deep down about herself but full of ego because of the attention she gets in social media or thirsty guys in public.

This is the type of girl I usually stay away from nor I'm inclined to connect to begin with. But if that is your thing, then nothing wrong with it. We just have different tastes but you do have to pay attention to her attitude.

Form the get go, she says things like "maybe, where would you like to take me", "No", "That's what gentlemen do" etc are just ways she is trying to lead and place you in her frame and get away with what she most likely gets away with on a daily basis because she shows some cleveage and some legs and half of her fat ass.

So to recap, her looks along with her attitude I define as rachet and entitled. There is nothing about her (from the surface) that can possibly contribute to any man's life aka waste of time unless you're p**y whipped.


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Good analysis. Sometimes I really forget about insecurity part and the reason behind all of this photos.
 

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Heres a mexican stand off i'm starting to notice more and more in modern dating

Men in manosphere being advised to do cheap or free first dates... to avoid wasting resources on expensive dinner dates that probably won't lead anywhere

Women in womensphere being advised to screen against men who offer low value first dates - was researching a female dating forum yesterday called "female dating strategy" ,

the number 1 advice was screen out men who do this as they are likely to be low investing, narcissistic and just looking for sex and there was also a raft of other melodramatic reasons the women there were theorising

They were also labelling women who submiss too easily to men as "pick me women"

It was quite amusing , but also worrying as it's clear women are predicating their own dating strategies which are ironically directly opposite to men's

In my mind the ideal first date is a fun activity date where you can find out how one another handles certain situations and how you both gel in the real world

I'm not actually sure a lot of women are that keen on this idea though they seem to want an immediate romantic setting preferably with high level of investment
 

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I'm not actually sure a lot of women are that keen on this idea though they seem to want an immediate romantic setting preferably with high level of investment
So they can decide during the interaction that "there's no chemistry" and leave you with wasted money/time.
 

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Bingo makes a salient observation.

Here’s the real trouble. The best women (attractive young women from solid families and their act together) have been raised to expect a man to act like a gentleman. Yes even in this day and age.

If such a woman is attractive she is going to have good options to choose from at any given time. That means, all things being equal, and assuming her suitors are comparatively attractive relative to one another, that she is going to choose based on how she feels a man is treating her. A guy who has a fun personality and who offers her dinner is making more effort than a guy who wants a meet up at his place or her to join him for a drink near his. So well brought up women will choose (often but not always) the option she likes who is making an effort.

I do this too frankly.

This is how better quality women pick from among their options.

One of the pitfalls guys who subscribe to all the PUA theory stuff miss is that by refusing to ever make effort like going to dinner is that you’ll often eliminate the higher quality women from your pool. Leaving you with lesser women from a self esteem & character stand point.

Worth considering.
 

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So they can decide during the interaction that "there's no chemistry" and leave you with wasted money/time.
Well that's the caveat a lot of men are no longer willing to risk

Hence the Mexican stand off

Ultimately i think " male / female online interaction " in whatever form you want to take it has just about run its course

The dynamic just doesn't work , women need to be able to feel the mans presence to know whether to take him seriously or not

Men need to be able to inspect the women's allure , interest and submissiveness to know whether to take her seriously or not

None of this can effectively be done through virtual / digital communication and even more worryingly it can often be misconstrued by both sexes
 
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Heres a mexican stand off i'm starting to notice more and more in modern dating

Men in manosphere being advised to do cheap or free first dates... to avoid wasting resources on expensive dinner dates that probably won't lead anywhere

Women in womensphere being advised to screen against men who offer low value first dates - was researching a female dating forum yesterday called "female dating strategy" ,

the number 1 advice was screen out men who do this as they are likely to be low investing, narcissistic and just looking for sex and there was also a raft of other melodramatic reasons the women there were theorising

They were also labelling women who submiss too easily to men as "pick me women"

It was quite amusing , but also worrying as it's clear women are predicating their own dating strategies which are ironically directly opposite to men's

In my mind the ideal first date is a fun activity date where you can find out how one another handles certain situations and how you both gel in the real world

I'm not actually sure a lot of women are that keen on this idea though they seem to want an immediate romantic setting preferably with high level of investment
this was all the time the female strategy , to gain as much investment as possible from the man before sex is introduced .

yes , this is anti seductive to invest too much early on , but you still have to invest a bare minimum . Some chat here and there , etc

The only guys who can get away investing close to 0 , are the guys who the girl like a lot , mainly due to their fundamentals

the rest of guys have to invest something to get something back

acting like a super high SMV guy when you are very far away from that , it is as delusional as a fat ugly woman thinking she is a princess
 
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A guy who has a fun personality and who offers her dinner is making more effort than a guy who wants a meet up at his place or her to join him for a drink near his. So well brought up women will choose (often but not always) the option she likes who is making an effort.
How about a guy that has a fun personality that wants to meet up at his place or her to join him for a drink near his vs a guy with a bland personality that offers her a nice dinner?
 

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Texted a latina girl in IG, after a short convo proposed to meet. She is 7/8 - not a dime for me. Below is our conversation:

Me: Are you free tonight?
Her: Maybe. Where would you like to take me?
Me: There is one hipster pub close to center
Her: I can’t drink alcohol. I prefer somewhere more relax.
Me: Coffee?
Her: No. A restaurant where we don’t have that much noise
Me: I do not go on dinners on the first date
Her: I do. That’s what gentleman should do At least that’s what I am getting used to.
Me: So you define if the guy is a gentleman if he brings to you to a fancy place?
Her: Who says it has to be fancy. I define a gentleman a man who takes his time to take me somewhere. A coffee is something I can do anytime
Me: Too bad. Cause I love coffee meeting that people can do anytime
Her: Enjoy your coffee then

I do consider her as a typical chick who is looking for guy. So no reply from my side.

What do you think?
I think I see why she wants to go to dinner; she looks like she doesn't miss too many meals. :D
 

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If that chick is ugly I'm the president of the United States.
I'd ljke her 10lbs lighter, but yea shes hot. I hardly seen any real profiles with girls as hot as this on old around here. If someone doesnt think this girl is hot then they're gay or something!
 
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I'd ljke her 10lbs lighter, but yea shes hot. I hardly seen any real profiles with girls as hot as this on old around here. If someone doesnt think this girl is hot then they're gay or something!
looks more attractive to me that the toilet licker girl in the other thread.

can tell they're both idiots though.
 

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OP, you probably can’t afford this girl. She’s a HB 7/8 Latina meaning her other options are men with money that are tricking on her. She had low interest. Your only shot with her was to spend the money and be her backup date.

(You played this correctly. But stop arguing with a woman once she tells you what she won’t do. Just say ok and delete her).
 

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OP, you probably can’t afford this girl. She’s a HB 7/8 Latina meaning her other options are men with money that are tricking on her. She had low interest. Your only shot with her was to spend the money and be her backup date.

(You played this correctly. But stop arguing with a woman once she tells you what she won’t do. Just say ok and delete her).
Havent tried to argue with her. Just wanted to check what she is about with her “rules”. But I agree - no reason to talk with her after that.
 

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Modern women move like escorts,

Where would you like to take me?.....I wouldnt have responded back.

A decent girl dosent move like this
 
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