Ukraine - what's really happenin

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My instincts say Ukraine is the one trying to create optics to address domestic issues.

Who is to say whether your instinct or my instinct is correct?

Use your head.
You mistake my intent. That post was a side note. I have my own ideas about the power struggles of that area and some others. I haven’t shared them.
 

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You mistake my intent. That post was a side note. I have my own ideas about the power struggles of that area and some others. I haven’t shared them.
My question still stands though. How do you reconcile disagreeing instincts?


Spaz is tap dancing and doesn't have the balls to man up and answer. I thought perhaps you would.
 
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My question still stands though. How do you reconcile disagreeing instincts?


Spaz is tap dancing and doesn't have the balls to man up and answer. I thought perhaps you would.
Spaz is operating on his knowledge and experience. He’s not entirely wrong and in many respects neither are you.

There is no need for covert hostility hear.
There is a lot of history here in this region. From the marauding mongols to Peter the Great to the Persians.

What does Ukraine do for the region? What’s so special about Ukraine? I have a buddy that came back from the Ukraine a few months back.

Why is it called “The Ukraine” and not just Ukraine?
 

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Spaz is operating on his knowledge and experience. He’s not entirely wrong and in many respects neither are you.

There is no need for covert hostility hear.
There is a lot of history here in this region. From the marauding mongols to Peter the Great to the Persians.

What does Ukraine do for the region? What’s so special about Ukraine? I have a buddy that came back from the Ukraine a few months back.

Why is it called “The Ukraine” and not just Ukraine?
This is a nice dodge, but still a dodge.

Again, what happens when two instincts are in disagreement with eachother?

What helps resolve them?

You both can claim instincts all day, just as I and others can. But running from evidence and calling names shows what you really are.
 

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Spaz is operating on his knowledge and experience. He’s not entirely wrong and in many respects neither are you.

There is no need for covert hostility hear.
There is a lot of history here in this region. From the marauding mongols to Peter the Great to the Persians.

What does Ukraine do for the region? What’s so special about Ukraine? I have a buddy that came back from the Ukraine a few months back.

Why is it called “The Ukraine” and not just Ukraine?

Oh dear dear me!

Is Spaz upto his old tricks again!

Accusations.. But no evidence to back his claims? Confirmed.

Guilty without due process? Confirmed.

Playing the victim? Accusations of personal attacks? Confirmed.

Why am I not surprised here.. Looks like Danger has done a GREAT job of handing his ass over to him lol.
 

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This is a nice dodge, but still a dodge.

Again, what happens when two instincts are in disagreement with eachother?

What helps resolve them?

You both can claim instincts all day, just as I and others can. But running from evidence and calling names shows what you really are.
Oh that question. No problem.
To me? The resolution is one is dead and the other isn’t.
 

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Oh that question. No problem.
To me? The resolution is one is dead and the other isn’t.

Another nice dodge. Since nobody among us is dying today, there needs to be another way to resolve competing instincts.

I wonder what that could be.....hmmm....
 
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Another nice dodge. Since nobody among us is dying today, there needs to be another way to resolve competing instincts.

I wonder what that could be.....hmmm....
Well I’m pretty sure you can expand that out. I didn’t dodge anything. I am not your enemy.

One has a successful business, the other doesn’t.
Countless examples.

I think you get the idea. Power is a driving force yet you didn’t answer my question. Your turn.

What is so important about The Ukraine? Why would Russia even want such a place?
 

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Well I’m pretty sure you can expand that out. I didn’t dodge anything. I am not your enemy.

One has a successful business, the other doesn’t.
Countless examples.

I think you get the idea. Power is a driving force yet you didn’t answer my question. Your turn.

What is so important about The Ukraine? Why would Russia even want such a place?

You did dodge the question, and that does not mean you are my "enemy".

Who owns a successful business and the other does not? I am unsure what you are referencing here or the point you are trying to make.

When there is a disagreement between instincts, how do we know which one is accurate?
 
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You did dodge the question, and that does not mean you are my "enemy".

Who owns a successful business and the other does not? I am unsure what you are referencing here or the point you are trying to make.

When there is a disagreement between instincts, how do we know which one is accurate?
I’m trying to move away from a disagreement that isn’t mine.
I posted a side post that wasn’t even relative. I have no desire to explain myself or my motives. I don’t want to participate.
 
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I’m trying to move away from a disagreement that isn’t mine.
I posted a side post that wasn’t even relative. I have no desire to explain myself or my motives. I don’t want to participate.
Fair enough. Nothing against you, but I will not allow someone to vaguely claim their opinion is valid and other's are not and then cite "instinct" to claim validity.

That is CNN fake news level of reporting right there.
 
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I wanted to get back to the reason why Russia is so concerned about getting The Ukraine.
I don’t watch the news much, if ever. We always get the fake reason as it aligns to a political agenda.

So why do YOU think The Ukraine is so important to such a vast country that has an amazing amount of oil reserves and precious metals?
Why even bother?
 

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I wanted to get back to the reason why Russia is so concerned about getting The Ukraine.
I don’t watch the news much, if ever. We always get the fake reason as it aligns to a political agenda.

So why do YOU think The Ukraine is so important to such a vast country that has an amazing amount of oil reserves and precious metals?
Why even bother?
I think a better way to ask the question and remove biases is to ask, "What are the potential reasons for Ukrainian based conflict?".
 
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I don’t have a bias. I can only speak from extrapolation.
Russia doesn’t have a warm water port.

I learned this from some Russian business men and engineers when I was in Alaska. BP and Exxon let them tour the Alaska Pipeline facilities in Prudhoe Bay. I flew back to anchorage on the same plane as the group. I sat next to a very attractive (that’s another story) Russian business woman. We had a very good conversation.

Russia is basically land locked. Peter the Great understood the importance of The Ukraine and the economic trade impact. Without a warm water port, Russia is blocked from economic expansion.

Putin is a powerful leader and to be quite honest, he’s brilliant. He understands The Ukraine and it’s importance in the area. The warm water port is everything. The Ukraine is under heavy debt because they got stupid and borrowed money from the banking system. Very bad move. The economic interests to the Banking industry is the motive to keep The Ukraine out of Putin’s hands.

Putin paid off Russia’s debt, and like Trump, he doesn’t owe anyone $hit. Banking does not like countries that are not held in debt.
Marine General Smedley Butler commented in the 1930s how things in the world would unfold. He despised the way marines were used to squash 3rd world nations so that their production could be exploited.

This Russian business woman was a very astute woman. Kinda scary but she had drinks with me later that evening at the Hilton in Anchorage.

It seems complex but it’s not. At this point...that could change...I support Putin’s initiatives. Ukraine sold their souls.
 

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I don’t have a bias. I can only speak from extrapolation.
Russia doesn’t have a warm water port.

I learned this from some Russian business men and engineers when I was in Alaska. BP and Exxon let them tour the Alaska Pipeline facilities in Prudhoe Bay. I flew back to anchorage on the same plane as the group. I sat next to a very attractive (that’s another story) Russian business woman. We had a very good conversation.

Russia is basically land locked. Peter the Great understood the importance of The Ukraine and the economic trade impact. Without a warm water port, Russia is blocked from economic expansion.

Putin is a powerful leader and to be quite honest, he’s brilliant. He understands The Ukraine and it’s importance in the area. The warm water port is everything. The Ukraine is under heavy debt because they got stupid and borrowed money from the banking system. Very bad move. The economic interests to the Banking industry is the motive to keep The Ukraine out of Putin’s hands.

Putin paid off Russia’s debt, and like Trump, he doesn’t owe anyone $hit. Banking does not like countries that are not held in debt.
Marine General Smedley Butler commented in the 1930s how things in the world would unfold. He despised the way marines were used to squash 3rd world nations so that their production could be exploited.

This Russian business woman was a very astute woman. Kinda scary but she had drinks with me later that evening at the Hilton in Anchorage.

It seems complex but it’s not. At this point...that could change...I support Putin’s initiatives. Ukraine sold their souls.

The way we ask questions often reveal our own biases, even when we are unaware of them.

Asking "Why is the Ukraine important to Russia?" focuses the discussion on one target, Russia.

Asking "What is causing the overall conflict?" removes ALL targets and lets the data guide us.

By the way, great work on providing data behind your thought process. Isn't that better than "women's intuition"?

So we know the Kerch bridge is important to Russia. But they already have control over it so conflict here does not benefit them so far as we know.

How could conflict benefit Ukraine, or others, here?
 
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They gave up their nukes in exchange for a promise of protection from the west, which obviously turned out to be a bullsh!t promise. Now we offer the same promise to North Korea - ditch the nukes, join the global party, and we will protect you.
 
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The way we ask questions often reveal our own biases, even when we are unaware of them.

Asking "Why is the Ukraine important to Russia?" focuses the discussion on one target, Russia.

Asking "What is causing the overall conflict?" removes ALL targets and lets the data guide us.

By the way, great work on providing data behind your thought process. Isn't that better than "women's intuition"?

So we know the Kerch bridge is important to Russia. But they already have control over it so conflict here does not benefit them so far as we know.

How could conflict benefit Ukraine, or others, here?
Banking control of Ukraine denies Russia economic prosperity. Thus a penalty for not using a Central Bank ie private banking interests.

This is about money. There is no other reason. Putin is doing what he is suppose to do. High tariffs set by banking interests of import/export of Russian goods and services through the warm water port.
 

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Banking control of Ukraine denies Russia economic prosperity. Thus a penalty for not using a Central Bank ie private banking interests.

This is about money. There is no other reason. Putin is doing what he is suppose to do. High tariffs set by banking interests of import/export of Russian goods and services through the warm water port.
Bankers hate Russia for sure, seeing as they are not running the fiat scam.

So are you saying that bankers are provoking this conflict? Can't say I disagree there. There is interesting data to help support that thesis.
 

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Bankers hate Russia because they are a mafia state with a corrupt court system. Refusing to enforce intellectual property laws doesn't help either. Russia is too risky to attract international investment, which won't change without drastic reforms to the country.
 
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Bankers hate Russia for sure, seeing as they are not running the fiat scam.

So are you saying that bankers are provoking this conflict? Can't say I disagree there. There is interesting data to help support that thesis.
According to my assessment and my conversation with Russian business persons.

Hillary’s top eight campaign contributors were banks and financial institutions so it should not surprise anyone that liberals are targeting Russia.
 
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