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Going to call it some of the big guns to comment. @SW15 @Jake_Gyllenhaal69 @LARaiders85 @Gamisch @DEEZEDBRAH @Serenity @Solomon @IKO69 @Hamurabimbi

Something hit me today just thinking back to decades ago when I was a teenager in high school, things were different. Even social media was different because it hadn't gotten to the point it has right now. I cannot start to wrap my head around how much has changed even in the past decade. Even when we look back to 2012, sure you had dating apps but the dating apps back then were actually real. I remember getting on Tinder and legit every match being a real woman as opposed to day where it is mostly robots and OnlyFan girls.

Even cold approaching was different because it was a relatively new enough concept and communities like RSD were bubbling with activity. I remember moving to NYC and winging with guys I met off of the RSD forum, fun times. Even though the place had its weirdos, it also had a lot of normal fun dudes who needed just a little guidance and help to push their results with women to the next level. Maybe it is because I am getting older and it just feels that way regardless of whatever time period we are in or maybe times were different but man, it was some fun stuff. I wish I had taken more advantage of those prime years.

A big thing I have done 2021 onwards is put a lot more effort into game and taken self-improvement seriously since I am so set in a lot of areas of my life.

However, I do start to wonder where "game" itself is heading in the coming years.

My verdict?

I think that young men growing up today and men in general have every reason and every avenue to be negative, pessimistic, bitter, and upset. There is so much out there (black pill, incel groups, MGTOW etc.) to offer young men a community where they can collectively complain and find comfort in that. I feel like with so many Pickup guys getting cancelled and most major Pickup programs largely gone, men do not have the same direction they would have had back in the day when the vibe was more positive.

IMO, a lot of guys are going to voluntarily take themselves out of the game. I think men have way too many comfortable avenues to even bother with putting int the effort to learn game and invest in a lot of self-improvement. Not only do men have these avenues, there are also not a lot of easily accessible pickup programs anymore since it has gone underground.

The gap between the rich and the poor will get even wider than it is, I think 80-20 will turn into 10-90.

However, I do think that the men who genuinely put in the work, go through the grind, keep a positive mindset in a world where negativity is now king, and truly invest in themselves will see even bigger rewards from avenues like daygame for example.

As a result, I think that it will be a lot easier to be in the top 10% of men than it would have been decades ago because most of your competition would have voluntarily vowed out.

Happy to hear other thoughts.
 

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This depiction below will continue it's trend noted below as 2015. In 2022 and beyond, many men will back out, but women will still have the power over the ones who are left.

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Many guys are using self improvement as a coping mechanism to avoid taking real action with women due to fear of rejection. They all think of themselves as top 20% males only because they didnt play video games for 1 week and mediate for 10 minutes. They think if you dont follow certain rules of living you are automatically bottom of population.

I hate these lying hypocrite scam artists that just recycle the same old redpill/pua/and now tradcuck act of muh "just be confident alpha chad/trad and get a haircut/take showers bro" gaslighting you into an endless cycle of false promises and mental masturbation.

They're even worse than bluepillers tbh cause at least they don't have you emptying your wallet to chase some unobtainable you'll never find like some sad puppy dog chasing it's own tail trying to find something to eat.
 

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IMO, a lot of guys are going to voluntarily take themselves out of the game.

I do think that the men who genuinely put in the work, go through the grind, keep a positive mindset in a world where negativity is now king, and truly invest in themselves will see even bigger rewards from avenues like daygame for example.

As a result, I think that it will be a lot easier to be in the top 10% of men than it would have been decades ago because most of your competition would have voluntarily vowed out.
The sexual marketplace in a given city usually doesn't give a flying fucck when a guy takes himself out of the game. This is because the women in that metro area were already ignoring those guys when they were actively participating in the sexual marketplace. Men who are getting attention and getting results don't take themselves out of the game.

The typical gal in your city doesn't care when you're no longer on the swipe apps. The typical gal won't notice if you stop cold approaching. She's already bombarded with enough requests to access her vagina. Women have more abundance than most of us can imagine.

I don't think it will be any easier to get to the Top 10% in the near future.

cold approaching was different because it was a relatively new enough concept and communities like RSD were bubbling with activity. I remember moving to NYC and winging with guys I met off of the RSD forum, fun times. Even though the place had its weirdos, it also had a lot of normal fun dudes who needed just a little guidance and help to push their results with women to the next level. Maybe it is because I am getting older and it just feels that way regardless of whatever time period we are in or maybe times were different but man, it was some fun stuff. I wish I had taken more advantage of those prime years.
I guess you could say that cold approaching in non-bar venues was a relatively new concept in the late 2000s/early 2010s. Bar approaching has been quite common since at least the 1970s. "The Game" and "Mystery Method" were focused on night game, though there's one throwaway line on one page of "Mystery Method" that says that the principles can be applied to approaches in venues other than bars.

I feel like with so many Pickup guys getting cancelled and most major Pickup programs largely gone, men do not have the same direction they would have had back in the day when the vibe was more positive.
There are still enough pickup channels on YouTube today. None of the modern pickup guys have gotten as big as Mystery was in 2005-2008 or Roosh V between 2007-2015.
 

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You're correct. I agree with a lot of what you said.

A young person growing up now is at a real disadvantage. Many men are coming from broken families / don't really have a strong father figure (or a father figure at all)...boys need a strong, authoritative figure in their lives to shape and guide them.

The shift towards online dating has presented its own challenges. I never comment on these because i've never used it so I cannot comment on the ins and outs of it. It really didn't exist when I was younger- there were "personal" sites but in my teens/20s I knew if I was going to get some girls I had to go out there and meet them. I caught the beginning of PUA and the whole spam approach thing. I did it and while it wasn't really enjoyable I do have to credit it with overcoming some of my shyness (at approaching strangers). We see less of this now because OLD is the route a lot of people choose to go down. It promises easy sex supposedly but I really don't see it (I would think it is harder since it is purely looks driven) and in the process men are losing the ability to interact with the opposite sex. This part is perhaps the most damaging because when the opportunity does come up where a woman might be interested in these guys they will not know how to move things forward.

With all this at play, many men are beaten before they even start, yes. It doesn't surprise me that many men will choose to drop out.
 

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I think things will continue to get worse. The family is continue to collapse and mental illness is increasing. Social media is putting a premium on looks and conditioning people to be more narcissistic. In an environment like that, no one is going to do better than they did yesterday. Not even the top 10% who are able to leverage social media.

Ironically, the best advice is going to be to marry young before the pair bonding ability is gone, and to prioritize that before a career. We have come full circle.

I regret not maximizing my successes before things got so bad, but oh well. It seemed difficult back then too, but I was lacking basics.
 

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Spoiler Alert: It's not good news

OLD and Social Media has completely cut the younger guy out of the Free Dating Market

1). Gives women access to slightly older men with more money. I guy in college cannot compete with a 28-year-old guy with a career living downtown unless the college is in an isolated college town like Athens, Georgia.

2). Women are more prone to looks, clout, and bad boys at this age and OLD and social media give younger women a buffet of selection

Women will never face the wall or repercussions for their actions

All of these young and desperate men are going to play captain save a 304 to the first woman that gives him attention

The Economy and Government will continue to cater more to women because women are more than likely to participate in voting and spending money

As a result, women will have a much higher purchasing power in the dating market due to the wall being non-existent.

Black Pill/Red Pill will be forced to go underground due to internet censorship

You'll only see the pill content in places like 4chan pipelined from youtube from whatever softer version it evolves to avoid de-monetization. High-Value Man, Work on yourself, etc will all be dog whistles for the black and red pill.

Sex work will be viewed more positively

And I mean prostitution that caters to rich men like classy escorts, foodie call dates, seeking arrangements bottle service girls, insty thots, etc. Sex work for the average man will be viewed as extremely unfavorable and put the woman as a victim and the guy as a felon. In some states, it is a felony for a normal guy to purchase sex. Eventually, It will be totally okay for your daughter to say that she wants to be a stripper or escort worker among her peers.
 

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I looked in my crystal ball and I saw that in the year 2085, men will be able to purchase the realistic sex doll of their choice that is willing and able to do absolutely anything without giving them any attitude.

Women will only be able to procreate with poor men that can't afford a robot.
 

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Going to call it some of the big guns to comment. @SW15 @Jake_Gyllenhaal69 @LARaiders85 @Gamisch @DEEZEDBRAH @Serenity @Solomon @IKO69 @Hamurabimbi
I only see like three big guns there.
 

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Going to call it some of the big guns to comment. @SW15 @Jake_Gyllenhaal69 @LARaiders85 @Gamisch @DEEZEDBRAH @Serenity @Solomon @IKO69 @Hamurabimbi

Something hit me today just thinking back to decades ago when I was a teenager in high school, things were different. Even social media was different because it hadn't gotten to the point it has right now. I cannot start to wrap my head around how much has changed even in the past decade. Even when we look back to 2012, sure you had dating apps but the dating apps back then were actually real. I remember getting on Tinder and legit every match being a real woman as opposed to day where it is mostly robots and OnlyFan girls.

Even cold approaching was different because it was a relatively new enough concept and communities like RSD were bubbling with activity. I remember moving to NYC and winging with guys I met off of the RSD forum, fun times. Even though the place had its weirdos, it also had a lot of normal fun dudes who needed just a little guidance and help to push their results with women to the next level. Maybe it is because I am getting older and it just feels that way regardless of whatever time period we are in or maybe times were different but man, it was some fun stuff. I wish I had taken more advantage of those prime years.

A big thing I have done 2021 onwards is put a lot more effort into game and taken self-improvement seriously since I am so set in a lot of areas of my life.

However, I do start to wonder where "game" itself is heading in the coming years.

My verdict?

I think that young men growing up today and men in general have every reason and every avenue to be negative, pessimistic, bitter, and upset. There is so much out there (black pill, incel groups, MGTOW etc.) to offer young men a community where they can collectively complain and find comfort in that. I feel like with so many Pickup guys getting cancelled and most major Pickup programs largely gone, men do not have the same direction they would have had back in the day when the vibe was more positive.

IMO, a lot of guys are going to voluntarily take themselves out of the game. I think men have way too many comfortable avenues to even bother with putting int the effort to learn game and invest in a lot of self-improvement. Not only do men have these avenues, there are also not a lot of easily accessible pickup programs anymore since it has gone underground.

The gap between the rich and the poor will get even wider than it is, I think 80-20 will turn into 10-90.

However, I do think that the men who genuinely put in the work, go through the grind, keep a positive mindset in a world where negativity is now king, and truly invest in themselves will see even bigger rewards from avenues like daygame for example.

As a result, I think that it will be a lot easier to be in the top 10% of men than it would have been decades ago because most of your competition would have voluntarily vowed out.

Happy to hear other thoughts.
Really flattered, but I think there are much bigger guns on the forum then me haha. But let me give my pov on this matter:

I believe a big component is what a man feeds to his own brain . Keep telling yourself you are not good enough and watch how life will punish you. You'll wake up one day actually not being good enough! We see a rise of youtubers, ironically the biggest stars spreading most of the nonsense.The better ones stay small and niche . Man wanna cirklejurk , complain, thus empowering negative thoughts about women AND themselves.

Despite what most men believe , women actually never changed that much. Their primal behaviour stayed intact and even all the " terms and jargon" were already applicable back in the earlier days; a man in war was a incel for a brief period, mgtow was actually a attractive trait( think about the hero who walks of alone at the end like Dirty Harry, James Bond) and a lot of the redpill could be translated as simple knowledge of life ( imo redpill is just a reality pill). Its MEN who changed for the worst. How can a man not understand that swiping apps are a feminine thing, and at best complementary to a man's dating life? No ,they depend upon it, even when they get no results. Why dont you man the F up and go TALK TO A LADY???

The common denominator I see with men who cant get women is they have tons of excuses; too short, too white, too black,too Latin too Arabic, not enough money ect ect. Again, what does a man feeds to his own brain. Unfortunately there is no prescription for being a incel mangina. You gotta go and face your fears.its a man's world, but it ain't nothing without a woman or a girl. If life gives you lemons you gotta make lemonade.

If life without a woman is like a infectious tooth,these men wait till the pain numbs and the eagerness to get p00n dies out. And then call it mgtow as a cope. Ridiculous!

Obviously swipe apps doing harm to the dating scene. But like I said, the essence of women didn't change. Its women who are complaining they never getting approached in the club. To me that's mind blowing ( and do I smelllll opportunity here yes I do!). Women are more open then EVER to approaches imo.

Only hope for the next generation is the fact they didn't grew up with the image of the happy household like my generation did. I doubt it though , bc men found a sick solution by transforming men into women and thus making it easier to " get laid". More and more women will share less and less men.
 
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I think there's going to be a major counter action happening due to all the guys not having mates. You can't expect men to live lonely lives with no women and just chug along happy....
 

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OP,

Most men ALREADY either fall into the aforementioned described black pill, MGTOW, that you pointed out OR into another (arguably worse) group of men who have been brainwashed by our woke society/media and are just pure white knight drones who trash any man with a masculine pulse and vilify him for his "toxic masculinity" (essentially male feminists). This community here at SS is an anachronism of what men used to be (although we have increasing numbers of black pillers here with each passing month it seems). I wouldn't even classify this second category as "blue pill" - they go even a step, or multiple steps farther and actually diss other men and have no respect for themselves.

We should appreciate this place as long as we have it - because it isn't going to be here forever - eventually some type of complaint is lodged and it gets banned.

In the meantime, game isn't going anywhere. Females will always chemically respond to a man who emanates masculine energy and charm. It is simply nature.
 
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I'm in an industry where a lot of males try to be like females. Everytime, the females react more to the normal masculine guys than the tryhards trying to "fit in." Be yourself, be a man.
 

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women have delusional expectations plus the me too crap and the covid lockdowns haven't helped. plus all the social media attention whoring....its a messed up world ahead
 

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Things are quickly morphing into be a super attractive 8.5 + man or have extremely high status. Every other type of game will start to rapidly decline. The same exact thing would happen if average men suddenly had the ability to easily have sex with super attractive women. No dude would ever want to commit to a relationship or start a family, having sex with extremely attractive women would be too addicting.

Things won't change unless social media and dating apps become outlawed, or if the government takes some extreme measures to fix things.
 

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The "wall" (30?) for women increasing linearly due to an abundance of simps/desperate men that will just take anything and in turn stretching the danger zone out to damn near retirement age .
Women's standards going through the roof,average women no longer wanting average men (already happening but will be more widespread)
 
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Things are quickly morphing into be a super attractive 8.5 + man or have extremely high status. Every other type of game will start to rapidly decline. The same exact thing would happen if average men suddenly had the ability to easily have sex with super attractive women. No dude would ever want to commit to a relationship or start a family, having sex with extremely attractive women would be too addicting.

Things won't change unless social media and dating apps become outlawed, or if the government takes some extreme measures to fix things.
Alternate take: men will return to the traditional form of game: by force. History repeats.
 

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Some great insights in this thread, I love it. I think men are largely to blame for their own struggles and it has become easier for men to be victims due to the Black Pill community growing so much over the years. As for the Sex Work thing, I don't ever see it becoming too legalized or even accepted as normal @Jake_Gyllenhaal69. IMO, both sides of the political spectrum are strongly against it. The radical left has raging feminists that will say you are objectifying women by making sex work legal. The radical right, which you know all too well in the south, will try to throw religion in your face and say that God will hate you for seeing a hooker.

What gets me more than anything is despite how much times have changed, in some ways they haven't. @Gamisch even back in the day, you had men who were "incels" and made excuses about not getting girls, this is back during the early days of game. Such men have always existed but now they just have more of a community.

I think long-term, the gap in game between the haves and have nots gets bigger and it becomes even worse to be average and below-average as a guy. We probably see what is happening in Japan coming here to the states.
 

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Going to call it some of the big guns to comment. @SW15 @Jake_Gyllenhaal69 @LARaiders85 @Gamisch @DEEZEDBRAH @Serenity @Solomon @IKO69 @Hamurabimbi

Something hit me today just thinking back to decades ago when I was a teenager in high school, things were different. Even social media was different because it hadn't gotten to the point it has right now. I cannot start to wrap my head around how much has changed even in the past decade. Even when we look back to 2012, sure you had dating apps but the dating apps back then were actually real. I remember getting on Tinder and legit every match being a real woman as opposed to day where it is mostly robots and OnlyFan girls.
@Jesse Pinkman mate respect to you for really going for it.

As you said social media changed for the worst. I remember AOL messenger. I remember MySpace. Fb wasn't all boomers lol once upon a time.

Even cold approaching was different because it was a relatively new enough concept and communities like RSD were bubbling with activity. I remember moving to NYC and winging with guys I met off of the RSD forum, fun times. Even though the place had its weirdos, it also had a lot of normal fun dudes who needed just a little guidance and help to push their results with women to the next level. Maybe it is because I am getting older and it just feels that way regardless of whatever time period we are in or maybe times were different but man, it was some fun stuff. I wish I had taken more advantage of those prime years.
I remember distant light, chinaboy, ambi, jmulv, Denton now karisma king, and others. Rsd gets so much hate but they put out fire back in 2009-12. Julien was a mad man before getting kicked off planet earth. Yes the forum had its fair share of scammed incels or weirdos.

[Quote!]A big thing I have done 2021 onwards is put a lot more effort into game and taken self-improvement seriously since I am so set in a lot of areas of my life.

However, I do start to wonder where "game" itself is heading in the coming years.[/quote]

You are among the 1% or less who actually approach. Most men don't.
My verdict?

I think that young men growing up today and men in general have every reason and every avenue to be negative, pessimistic, bitter, and upset. There is so much out there (black pill, incel groups, MGTOW etc.) to offer young men a community where they can collectively complain and find comfort in that. I feel like with so many Pickup guys getting cancelled and most major Pickup programs largely gone, men do not have the same direction they would have had back in the day when the vibe was more positive.

IMO, a lot of guys are going to voluntarily take themselves out of the game. I think men have way too many comfortable avenues to even bother with putting int the effort to learn game and invest in a lot of self-improvement. Not only do men have these avenues, there are also not a lot of easily accessible pickup programs anymore since it has gone underground.

The gap between the rich and the poor will get even wider than it is, I think 80-20 will turn into 10-90.

However, I do think that the men who genuinely put in the work, go through the grind, keep a positive mindset in a world where negativity is now king, and truly invest in themselves will see even bigger rewards from avenues like daygame for example.

As a result, I think that it will be a lot easier to be in the top 10% of men than it would have been decades ago because most of your competition would have voluntarily vowed out.

Happy to hear other thoughts.
1% approach. Less are beyond AA. Noob status. Few are intermediate. Less than 1% are advanced.

World class pickup arguably has 10% success rate. Very telling. Vadim, Summers, blanc etc 1/10. Or so the saying goes.

IMHO I welcome pickup going underground. I respect that old school. I welcome the new school AG, PWF, Austen, Denton etc. The old rsd archive is online in cyberspace. I think a lot of young men would develop by going out. I think RP is useful too but APPROACH which again virtually nobody does.

Big ups @ RSD Ty pushing meditation. It's monumental on this journey. You see the worst of the worst. Just a solid reset. I explore consciousness. I like to trip. After a dmt trip, feminism, rejection, stupidity in life etc is just nonexistent. You view life again through child-like eyes. Life's not so serious. Not advocacy. Just what I did.
 

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Some great insights in this thread, I love it. I think men are largely to blame for their own struggles and it has become easier for men to be victims due to the Black Pill community growing so much over the years. As for the Sex Work thing, I don't ever see it becoming too legalized or even accepted as normal @Jake_Gyllenhaal69. IMO, both sides of the political spectrum are strongly against it. The radical left has raging feminists that will say you are objectifying women by making sex work legal. The radical right, which you know all too well in the south, will try to throw religion in your face and say that God will hate you for seeing a hooker.

What gets me more than anything is despite how much times have changed, in some ways they haven't. @Gamisch even back in the day, you had men who were "incels" and made excuses about not getting girls, this is back during the early days of game. Such men have always existed but now they just have more of a community.

I think long-term, the gap in game between the haves and have nots gets bigger and it becomes even worse to be average and below-average as a guy. We probably see what is happening in Japan coming here to the states.
Before the old rsd forum collapsed, it was black pill and incels flooded with sob stories. Tyler kept making cartman vids. Chit was hilarious.

At least Japan is hyper productive but there is a huge herbivore issue. Super weird.
 
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