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The Facts on Car Accident Deaths and COVID-19

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One also might want to measure the numbers on a per 100,000 basis. The U.S. has 350 million people. Italy, 60 million.

Anyway if there's one thing this thread has proven it's that old adage about lies, damned lies, and statistics.
Sure, but it would be normal and usual to expect a higher total count of deaths if your population is higher. Assuming the death rate was the same.

The ratio, or rate, is by FAR the most honest measure when comparing apples to apples analysis. Although it would still be important to categorize by age group as well.
 

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Yes, for those that believe in facts, fewer cases, fewer deaths per capita ratio of this magnitude destroys the argument that the US will be the same or worse off in this virus than Italy given the comparable timeframes to date …
 

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Yes, for those that believe in facts, fewer cases, fewer deaths per capita ratio of this magnitude destroys the argument that the US will be the same or worse off in this virus than Italy given the comparable timeframes to date …
The deaths come from running out of icu beds, which hasn't happened here, yet. Even big hospitals typically don't have very many icu beds, which is why in places like New York they are scrambling to construct temporary icu wards. Even if they can make the physical space requirements with temp structures and empty hotels, and set up negative pressure rooms, then the bottleneck becomes ppe and ventilators. The military isn't much help, either, because they are set up to treat trauma, and also because they are mostly reserve corp who have jobs in the medical field already.

I was reading a fb post from a doctor in oklahoma. He lets his patients facetime with their families before being intubated, because their prospects are so sh!tty even with a ventilator.
 

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I don’t have the icu facts, but it’s a safe bet we have more icu space and ventilators than Italy given we have almost 6 times their population and the same ballpark number of cases. I definitely know we can mobilize resources faster also.
I’m high risk, but I haven’t seen any facts yet that scare me…
 

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I was reading a fb post from a doctor in oklahoma. He lets his patients facetime with their families before being intubated, because their prospects are so sh!tty even with a ventilator.
Well frankly, if you're at the point that you need a ventilator, you're not doing that well to begin with.
 
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Too early to tell. U.S. has a lot more active cases than Italy.

Why do you care? This isn't a competition.
  1. Not at all. The US is performing FAR better than Italy regarding the death rate. That is a fact.
  2. Why does it bother you that I said the US appears to have a great system?
 

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Why does it bother you that I said the US appears to have a great system?
Honestly, the US health care system has been taking a lot of verbal bashing in recent years.
But it appears to be performing pretty well under the current crisis so far.
 

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In other news:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/26/tech/dyson-ventilators-coronavirus/index.html

"Dyson said the company had designed and built an entirely new ventilator, called the "CoVent," since he received a call 10 days ago from UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson.
"This new device can be manufactured quickly, efficiently and at volume," Dyson added, saying that the new ventilator has been designed to "address the specific needs" of coronaviruspatients."

" the ventilators would be ready by early April.Dyson, who has wealth worth $10 billion according to Bloomberg, wrote in his letter that he would also donate 5,000 units to theinternational effort to tackle the pandemic."

But wait, there is more:

"A second UK firm, Gtech, is also working to produce ventilators and has submitted two examples to the government for assessment. The company specializes in cordless vacuum cleaners and garden power tools."
 
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In other news:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/26/tech/dyson-ventilators-coronavirus/index.html

"Dyson said the company had designed and built an entirely new ventilator, called the "CoVent," since he received a call 10 days ago from UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson.
"This new device can be manufactured quickly, efficiently and at volume," Dyson added, saying that the new ventilator has been designed to "address the specific needs" of coronaviruspatients."

" the ventilators would be ready by early April.Dyson, who has wealth worth $10 billion according to Bloomberg, wrote in his letter that he would also donate 5,000 units to theinternational effort to tackle the pandemic."

But wait, there is more:

"A second UK firm, Gtech, is also working to produce ventilators and has submitted two examples to the government for assessment. The company specializes in cordless vacuum cleaners and garden power tools."
Yes, resources such as these ventilators and others are starting to come online as we speak. Extra medical personnel being added also. I expect a medical judgement on one or more of the 5-6 existing medications that help recoveries by mid April also.
 

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  1. Not at all. The US is performing FAR better than Italy regarding the death rate. That is a fact.
  2. Why does it bother you that I said the US appears to have a great system?
1. Do you understand the difference between an active case and a closed case?

2. The United States’ system hasn’t even been tested yet. Every day more hospitals are filling up, more cases are reported, this resulting in more COVID-19 conspiracy theories posted on this forum.
 

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1. Do you understand the difference between an active case and a closed case?

2. The United States’ system hasn’t even been tested yet. Every day more hospitals are filling up, more cases are reported, this resulting in more COVID-19 conspiracy theories posted on this forum.
  1. The rate of death (when accounting for the right baseline) in the US is far smaller than it was for Italy. Why would open or closed cases matter for this?
  2. I wonder why our system is so far able to hold at levels that Italy's system was unable to?
 
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The rate of death in the US is far smaller than it was for Italy. Why would open or closed cases matter for this?
Almost all US cases are open, meaning they can still drop dead today or tomorrow. Italy has a lot more closed cases.

I wonder why our system is so far able to hold at levels that Italy's system was unable to?
US hospitals aren’t at capacity yet. Check back in two weeks.
 
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Almost all US cases are open, meaning they can still drop dead today or tomorrow. Italy has a lot more closed cases.

US hospitals aren’t at capacity yet. Check back in two weeks.
  1. Death rate takes into account open cases. After baseline alignment between Italy and the US the death rate is far better for the US.
  2. I wonder why US hospitals seem to have more capacity than Italy's did relative to their population size?
 

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  1. Death rate takes into account open cases. After baseline alignment between Italy and the US the death rate is far better for the US.
  2. I wonder why US hospitals seem to have more capacity than Italy's did relative to their population size?
Nope, keep on rationalizing. U.S. is now the global COVID-19 epicenter. Check back in two weeks when U.S. hospitals start getting overrun.
 

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Nope, keep on rationalizing. U.S. is now the global COVID-19 epicenter. Check back in two weeks when U.S. hospitals start getting overrun.
Nope? Nope to what?

Both of my statements are facts.
 

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I see the fear-monger is still spouting, huh?
It is interesting that with 23,000 cases in NYC, there is still capacity to handle them.

What an amazing system we have here in the US!
 
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