so epstein hung himself are you surprised

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@Ranger <Cough> I mean Epic, now that you don't have Rollo backing up your points about the big bad feminine imperative, I think it's time that you surrender this handle too and delete all your posts out of embarrassment, as you did the last one, and get a new handle.

Go ahead, you have my permission to do that.
That is an epic LOL!!!!
 

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As for your repeated question, which I thought was rhetorical: I don't think they're stupid, but they're not savvy, experienced, or possessing common sense on balance. Every individual is different.
There's so much wrong that I can point out but it seems there's not many in Sosuave who is questioning it, everyone seems content with blaming the perp and then enjoying the shiet show.

Still, I lose nothing.
 

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There's so much wrong that I can point out but it seems there's not many in Sosuave who is questioning it, everyone seems content with blaming the perp and then enjoying the shiet show.

Still, I lose nothing.
Nothing wrong with questioning anything, I just disagree with you. You should question the narrative. But yes, I blame the guy who orchestrated and executed the teen-****ing.

Think of all the high school boys who are plied and fukked by their female teachers. Or altar boys molested by priests. I can make a reasonable assumption for where lies the blame. Something tells me they weren't being "hypergamous."

You assume that the victims feel no shame or dishonor for having placed themselves in the situation. You don't know that. I'd lay dollars to donuts they wish they'd walked away. But I can't say for sure. Maybe they really were sophisticated players who saw an opportunity for a quick $200, plus a chance at a class-action suit in 10 years. In that case all the talk here about women not being able to think for themselves should be tossed out the window.

Also, one detail, I do think it's pretty messed up that a dad would beat his daughter up and/or disown her for being molested. If that's how family values work in your Shangri-La, then whatever culture you're living in is the truly decadent one.
 

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Nothing wrong with questioning anything, I just disagree with you. You should question the narrative. But yes, I blame the guy who orchestrated and executed the teen-****ing.

Think of all the high school boys who are plied and fukked by their female teachers. Or altar boys molested by priests. I can make a reasonable assumption for where lies the blame. Something tells me they weren't being "hypergamous."

You assume that the victims feel no shame or dishonor for having placed themselves in the situation. You don't know that. I'd lay dollars to donuts they wish they'd walked away. But I can't say for sure. Maybe they really were sophisticated players who saw an opportunity for a quick $200, plus a chance at a class-action suit in 10 years. In that case all the talk here about women not being able to think for themselves should be tossed out the window.

Also, one detail, I do think it's pretty messed up that a dad would beat his daughter up and/or disown her for being molested. If that's how family values work in your Shangri-La, then whatever culture you're living in is the truly decadent one.
Since you feel so strongly abt it, then I'll concede.

And wish you best of luck in ur life narratives.
 

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Since you feel so strongly abt it, then I'll concede.

And wish you best of luck in ur life narratives.
All I can say is, maybe you're right. I just have an opinion, I'm not an authority. There are no authorities.
 

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Nothing wrong with questioning anything, I just disagree with you. You should question the narrative. But yes, I blame the guy who orchestrated and executed the teen-****ing.

Think of all the high school boys who are plied and fukked by their female teachers. Or altar boys molested by priests. I can make a reasonable assumption for where lies the blame. Something tells me they weren't being "hypergamous."

You assume that the victims feel no shame or dishonor for having placed themselves in the situation. You don't know that. I'd lay dollars to donuts they wish they'd walked away. But I can't say for sure. Maybe they really were sophisticated players who saw an opportunity for a quick $200, plus a chance at a class-action suit in 10 years. In that case all the talk here about women not being able to think for themselves should be tossed out the window.

Also, one detail, I do think it's pretty messed up that a dad would beat his daughter up and/or disown her for being molested. If that's how family values work in your Shangri-La, then whatever culture you're living in is the truly decadent one.
In my hometown a priest was arrested for molesting adolescent boys. He would pick up boys from their homes for camping trips. This all came out years later after a man who was a former victim committed suicide and left a note. His actions lead to many men coming forward.

People asked why they went camping with him knowing what would happen. They said that they didn’t want to upset their parents by not going nor did they want to raise any alarms by not going. The priest was highly esteemed with a lot of connections, my community is very Catholic, and the victims didn’t think anyone would believe them and they would get labeled as liars or worse, gay.

That priest used the respect and connections he received to create an environment where he could abuse boys at will, for years.

Epstein created an environment where he could do the same.

According to articles Epstein and his female pimp targeted girls from foster care, broken homes etc who didn’t have anyone looking out for them. Girls with no means.

Epstein probably had access to the daughters of his rich buddies but he didn’t target them did he. He targeted poor girls no one gave a f**k about.

When someone doesn’t feel that they have anyone who cares about them or that they have no power, they are the easiest to repeatedly victimize.

It’s probably hard for anyone who hasn’t been repeatedly abused to get our heads around why they stayed or kept going back or whatever, but, like you are trying to explain, it doesn’t take away from the fact that they were victimized by someone in a position to maintain the abuse, someone in a position of power over them, and for whatever reason the victim didn’t feel that they could stop it.

It’s horrible.
 

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In my hometown a priest was arrested for molesting adolescent boys. He would pick up boys from their homes for camping trips. This all came out years later after a man who was a former victim committed suicide and left a note. His actions lead to many men coming forward.

People asked why they went camping with him knowing what would happen. They said that they didn’t want to upset their parents by not going nor did they want to raise any alarms by not going. The priest was highly esteemed with a lot of connections, my community is very Catholic, and the victims didn’t think anyone would believe them and they would get labeled as liars or worse, gay.

That priest used the respect and connections he received to create an environment where he could abuse boys at will, for years.

Epstein created an environment where he could do the same.

According to articles Epstein and his female pimp targeted girls from foster care, broken homes etc who didn’t have anyone looking out for them. Girls with no means.

Epstein probably had access to the daughters of his rich buddies but he didn’t target them did he. He targeted poor girls no one gave a f**k about.

When someone doesn’t feel that they have anyone who cares about them or that they have no power, they are the easiest to repeatedly victimize.

It’s probably hard for anyone who hasn’t been repeatedly abused to get our heads around why they stayed or kept going back or whatever, but, like you are trying to explain, it doesn’t take away from the fact that they were victimized by someone in a position to maintain the abuse, someone in a position of power over them, and for whatever reason the victim didn’t feel that they could stop it.

It’s horrible.
Great post.

And considering the powerful people Epstein included, it is likely that he was protected by these powerful people as well.

What is funny is that Q mentioned this over a year ago here https://qmap.pub/read/1884.

And some of the same crew here called that a "conspiracy".

How did Q know?

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Nowhere! My point to them (in case it was lost in translation) was that I'm certain that you would NOT want pedophilia supported in this site
Seriously idk why linking Rollo to this kind of crap/debate was needed.

Obv imo pedophilia is very wrong, but nothing is always as black and white as some ppl like to believe.

Imo there is never an absolute moral guide line.
Morals are very subjective, for example that kind of stuff is accepted in some country/culture.
Its all about local.social convention, if we where born else where our point of view might be very different.
 

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The tart at the center of this, Virginia Giuffre, has definitely hit the wall. Look at this cow!

 

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The tart at the center of this, Virginia Giuffre, has definitely hit the wall. Look at this cow!

I bet she's now lining up to secure his millions after his death.

$300 then, $3,000,000 later.

She's indirectly teaching her own kids (and a few million other girls) how to be a "successful" female.

And the feminists with the White Knight's are cheering her on whilst singing amazing grace.
 

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his millions after his death
His ill-gotten millions. He was an uncredited Math teacher, just doin billionaire hedge-fund investing on the side. Gee, wonder who let him manage their billions?
 

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I bet she's now lining up to secure his millions after his death.

$300 then, $3,000,000 later.

She's indirectly teaching her own kids (and a few million other girls) how to be a "successful" female.

And the feminists with the White Knight's are cheering her on whilst singing amazing grace.
She’s a known liar. Claimed to have sex with Alan Dershowitz via Epstein back then when he can prove he was nowhere near her. Currently suing him for defamation when he denied in and basically called her out…
 

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His ill-gotten millions. He was an uncredited Math teacher, just doin billionaire hedge-fund investing on the side. Gee, wonder who let him manage their billions?
If I were to continue to be an unlicensed money lender, offering soft loans to petty traders or small time businesses that couldn't get small loans from banks, my earning prowess would be considered ill-gotten too.

To the big banks, I'm stealing their god given monopoly thus I'm the bad guy.

But to the many who took my money and grew their small businesses, I'm Saint Spaz.

So yeah, much of my money is ill-gotten by ur standards since I've used it as seed money to invest in other businesses.
 

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She’s a known liar. Claimed to have sex with Alan Dershowitz via Epstein back then when he can prove he was nowhere near her. Currently suing him for defamation when he denied in and basically called her out…
So there's something after all...

But of course, people will be calling that guy a pedo too without even digging into her victim-hood drama.
 

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She’s a known liar. Claimed to have sex with Alan Dershowitz via Epstein back then when he can prove he was nowhere near her. Currently suing him for defamation when he denied in and basically called her out…
This is interesting.

Have a source for these two items....

1. She claimed she had sex with Dershowitz
2. Secret service records clearing Al Gore
 
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So there's something after all...

But of course, people will be calling that guy a pedo too without even digging into her victim-hood drama.
I don't like to throw around the p-word when the victims are sexually mature. Interesting that the media are using it. I said it once in this thread regarding priests. I'm not excusing what Epstein may have done, it's still fukked up and illegal. But I think there is a distinction to be made.



That's Giuffre at age 16/17, one year away from being legal and fetishized on SoSuave ("women are turning 18 every day").
 
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