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Shooting that shot too early?

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Women who have gone through lots of casual sex want to feel special.....lmao. Too bad they lost the only thing of value they had a long time ago.

A man with abundance mindset will never treat one of these special.
lol, but i wanna see if my hypothesis is right.. whenever @LARaiders85 comments again.
 

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Actually, when it comes to asking a girl out, especially on a face-to-face context, there's no such thing as shooting the shot too early.

As a matter of fact, most of the times, the guys tend to wait too long to ask a girl out but it's already too late by then.

By asking a girl out, you will know immediately if she's into you enough to at least spend time with you. If she refuses, that means one thing and one thing only: She's not that into you, and that you misread her interest level in you.

Women are experts at being nice, friendly, and warm to men, even ones they are not sexually or romantically interested in. That's just how they are. So by asking them out, you'll know if their friendliness for you is just for diplomatic purposes or also mean something else.
wholeheartedly agree with this. timing of your shot is surely not unimportant but when a woman is sufficiently aroused/attracted by you, the timing is almost negligible.

with that being said though, I do believe that the interaction with her should be your opportunity to size her up and see if you’d even want to see her again regardless of how cute she is. if she’s not reciprocating interest conversationally and/or there are no IOIs, next.

40-50% flake rate isn’t bad either mate. young, attractive women are riding the c0ck carousel hard. they’re inundated with men’s platonic and sexual attention daily, both on and offline. so for many of them, the opportunity cost of meeting up with a guy they’re lukewarm about sometimes isn’t worth it
 

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all of this is analysis paralysis, ive said many times before, its a numbers/attraction game.

ive been the smoothest operator in the business then failed, and ive been a giggly beta male mess and still banged hotties.

I now just play smooth, and shoot the shot right away. she knows within the first 5 minutes if she wants to bang.
 

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This happened to me 80%-90% of the time on OLD sites. Good chit chat for a few messages, then hit her up with a date idea and plan, POOF! Gone like the wind. Strangest f*ucking thing. Get the f*uck off OLD if you don't want to date. And women wonder where "all the good guys went." I don't even really date anymore. Too much of a s*hit show.
They have a harder time making friends than finding dates, hence using dating to make fake friends.
 

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I suspect that the women LA85 is talking about have gone through a lot of casual sex, and to some extent have beginned to understand what youre talking about. And now they want the men with enough abundance to surpass the mindset you describe, so they can feel special (again).
I agree with you and I also agree with @zinc4 that you shouldn't try too hard to appease people that often are not worth the time and effort. The fact remains, though, that women do not prefer small talk as the catalyst for a date.
 

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There's no such thing as shooting your shot too early. I'm a hardcore direct guy, and I do exclusively direct approach. I learned that beating round the bush never got any guy past the bush. I'd highly recommend you ditch all that indirect Mystery Method crap and instead check Alan Roger Currie's 'Mode One' books and seminars as well as David X. Direct approach blows ALL other approaches out of the water, especially for daytime approaches.
 

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Sup boys.

Something on my mind lately. During times when you feel a conversation is going well and go ahead and ask a girl out, only to be met with resistance or flakey/ghosting behavior.

I'm wondering, am I coming off too strong too early? I remember years ago I read Mystery Method's book where he discussed the several stages of attraction including initial attraction, male to female/female to male interest, comfort building, etc. When you look at Robert Greene's Laws of seduction book, there are certain similarities.

Are those things in use today? What are some of your experiences? I'm very straight forward with my approaches. If I think a girl is hot, I go up and approach, chit chat for a few, and get that number quick. Unfortunately, I'm having a high flake rate in getting these girls out, close to 40-50%.
I never do quickie phone macks. if we're having a good conversation for about an hour, I might leave the venue (even if I was planning on staying) just to not allow a lull in the conversation (i.e., leave on a high note). I only do daygame if a good plate is showing IOI; of course, since that never happens, IT'S OVER.
 
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