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Only date women that show high interest from the start

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Attraction should increase over time so it cannot start of high. A confident secure woman wont be high-interest in the beginning, but she can be warm and friendly and positive. Ofcourse men should not waste their time hence it is better to only go on dates when the interest has already been raised from IRL interactions, socialising, or text and phone game. Better to pursue a woman over the phone or txt than via a date. There really is no point on taking a girl on a date who is low interest, for higher quality guys who know how to raise her IL by txt or with phone game, initial approach etc.

I think 'high-interest' from women is some sort of sign of desperation and a kinda turn-off. Ideally the woman is warm and positive and enjoyable to interact with from the start but 'high-interest' is a different thing.

Dates cost a lot in time money and effort. Better to raise the IL over txt and then only go on dates when the IL is already high, to screen out the time wasters and bad experiences. If you raise he IL prior to the date, flaking, rescheduling etc wont be issues as the IL is already raised so at that point the date itself is less pressure and you will get more stable early dating experiences rather than girls suddenly flaking, going-cold etc.
 

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It could be me, but most women don’t. They have options all over. 5s think they are 9s. Its a wild time out there right now.
 

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High interest means nothing. High interest one day could mean she hates you the next. In terms of romantic relationships, it is not a woman‘s nature to be consistent. It is best for a woman to keep a man guessing and confused, that way she keeps power over him.

Generally, the only investment from a woman is physical investment. A man cannot take any woman seriously unless she is having sex with him.

Women are master manipulators because they know men want one thing from them. It’s why young beautiful women can manipulate men and older women cannot. Men think “clearly” with older women, but with young sexy women they don’t because they want to have sex with them and get them pregnant.
 

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I don't just go for interest, I go for interest and compliance.. But, that's because alot of women in big cities are superficial and the ones that show you alot of interest off bat, are just as likely to give alot of interest to the next guy whos attractive.

Alot of quality women don't give you high interest off bat.. it's like they play coy and try their best to not show you how much they like you. Same goes for guys in all honesty.. simpy men will show alot of interest but confident, cool dudes usually do their best to not show a girl that we really like them..
Exactly! Its a delicate balance. Go for the women that show high interest but also show self control. Quality women will take it slow while showing high interest. This means no sex on the first few dates even if they like you alot. Its a balance that women should learn. The ones that have game know how to do this.

The AFC subtype of women just go in 100% for the guy they really like. These women are constantly being pumped and dumped.
 

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Excitement can be faked. But your underlying point is more than valid.

One of the standards set by men should be to pursue a woman that invests back in them.

Investment can't be faked because the moment you do, you are putting yourself in a vulnerable and losing proposition.
what is investment? I’ve had girls invest loads - watch my instagram for Years, convos etc lead nowhere and girls ‘invest’ very little but Sleep with me. In my experience, in this texting era, investment means nothing as girls will talk to hundreds of men just to get attention.
What can’t be faked is a woman lowering her status when in contact with you aka DEFERENCE. Can you get away with things other guys can’t - acting arrogant/c0cky, disagreeing with her, lazy replies, typos, borderline disrespect, not opening the doors, posting other women, showing little reciprocation, escalating fast, she doesn’t challenge your grandiosity or absurd views, you can pull out your phone on the date but she wouldn’t dare to etc? If you can, then you’re special to her and she’s in your frame seeing you as the higher status individual. Can you act like her boss does at work? Like the highest status individual in her world?
 

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Good topic, OP, which was mentioned, discussed, and covered numerous times, but is still worth being brough up over and over again.
 

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I’ve had women highly interested off the bat only to play games afterwards. I’ve also had women hide their interest initially only to really like me later on.

The point is the focus shouldn’t be on women. It should be on you. Speaking of interest, be highly interested in yourself and your own life and be less needy. If you can manage this, the right women will appear. And you wouldn’t have to read their minds or decipher their “signs.” You attract what you are, not what you want. If you are complete, that’s what you’ll attract. And if you are all over the place, that”s what you also get.
 

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It’s an ego thing. We men don’t like failing at things. It’s engrained in us to solve problems and succeed at things. And at the end of the day to most regular guys, there’s far more uninterested women than interested ones and we don’t like swallowing that pill. So we’d subconsciously rather turn the potential L into a W. With that said, we need to drop our egos and learn to accept to not view these as a challenge, but instead a waste of time.
The more skilled one becomes at sizing people up quickly, the less time you waste, and the more predictable the outcome. You toss the uninterested and fakes out quickly. You spend your time investing more in those who do show solid interest. The flake rate also drops significantly.

It became extremely rare for me to go out on a first date that didn't lead to multiple dates. I also didn't put myself in a position that didn't have a high rate of success.
So if success is defined as multiple dates that always lead to sex, then I won far more than I lost.

Preparation and knowledge plays a big part of success. A natural I never was.
 
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Why would an 8+ in her prime pick you?
His impeccable taste in Daily Mail articles. It's never over for Daily Mail readers.
 

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It could be me, but most women don’t. They have options all over. 5s think they are 9s. Its a wild time out there right now.
What happens when a man doesn't receive significant interest from any woman out there? What can he do? Does he mostly end up going for women showing lukewarm interest. I think there a lot of men that experience this.
 

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I think a huge problem is the value of dating decreased, especially for men. We all know that women want both traditional and modern dating. So, having men act traditionally but yet they can enjoy the freedoms of modern relationships.

Unfortunately the first date isn't as potent as it used to be. Women date too much( and with that I mean the " one date to check you out " type of dates too even tho most men will traditionally pay) , so the energy, anxiety and and true desire for "love" just isn't there.

I remember before internet that a actual date was something special. Nowadays its just a formality, UNTILL she , for whatever reason, feels like the guy could be "bf potential ". Than women wanna move quick thus disregarding the "normal " way relationships are build. I swear every woman i meet lobe bombs me from the get go.63% of men dont date, the other 37 will be rejecting women left and right and women know this unconsciously.

People date too much and too easy. You'll meet a women on OLD and you know she probably has multiple men lined up. I don't know how and when this will ever change.
 

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"only" is a dangerous word here I think; what if "only" 3's and 4's or some 5's with red flags have high IL in me? I can only improve my SMV so much
 

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Only girls that are openly enthusiastic about your messages and company should be taken on dates.
This statement is fallacious because it assumes that women who have high interest in you will openly show it.

Some will. Most won't (I said the same shyt in another thread).

A woman can think you are the most handsome guy in the neighborhood but you will never know it, and she will never say anything or show it.

That is why you can't rely solely on choosing signals. Sure, if the signals are there, then take it.

But even if they are not there, you still take it (cold approach).

A woman may find you attractive just based on the fact that you approached her and spit game to her.

Threads like this one is usually from guys who are anti cold approach because they are too chicken-shyt to approach women, so they try their best to come up with the most "hands off" strategies as possible because they are simply afraid to get out there and make shyt happen.

Disgusting.
 

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Only girls that are openly enthusiastic about your messages and company should be taken on dates.
This statement is fallacious because it assumes that women who have high interest in you will openly show it.

Some will. Most won't (I said the same shyt in another thread).

A woman can think you are the most handsome guy in the neighborhood but you will never know it, and she will never say anything or show it.
High interest levels can be difficult to determine.

It's difficult to read into anything without a face-to-face experience, so a lot of sign reading in tech-based date arranging methods is flawed. It is considered a good sign when a woman rapidly replies to messages sent on the swipe app platform and text messages and is conversant in those messages prior to the first date. This does not happen too often.

With in-person stranger approaches, strong indicators of interest can be quite rare. Some men will receive them more than others. There are men who won't get more than 1-2 strong choosing signals in a extended period (6 months - 12 months). Is a man only supposed to do 1-2 in-person approaches in a 6-12 month period?

It is true that the women who openly show indicators of interest are the best possible prospects. Few men can rely on those types of prospects.


That is why you can't rely solely on choosing signals. Sure, if the signals are there, then take it.

But even if they are not there, you still take it (cold approach).

Threads like this one is usually from guys who are anti cold approach because they are too chicken-shyt to approach women, so they try their best to come up with the most "hands off" strategies as possible because they are simply afraid to get out there and make shyt happen.
I established above that a lot of men don't get a great quantity of choosing signals and that the best prospects are the ones who openly show signals.

When men approach women who haven't shown signals, the chances of that approach leading to a first date or a same day/same night lay are much lower. Some men will need to do some large number of approaches to get something.

If a man gets way too many 'no's' before he encounters a 'yes', he will be psychologically traumatized and might even give up on approaching. There is a lot of power in 20-30+ consecutive approaches not resulting in a date.

Very few men can spam approach, meaning that they are immune to a lot of rejection and will keep going until they get their yes.

I'm not making excuses as I have been a person who has approached without indicators of interest.

A woman may find you attractive just based on the fact that you approached her and spit game to her.
In 2018, Roosh wrote that the occurrence you describe was less common in the mid to late 2010s as compared to the early to mid 2000s.

"Approaching a girl you didn’t know was so novel back then that if you did it, the girl would become extremely curious, even if you had a horrible opening line. Many would say how “confident” you were, a compliment that you rarely hear today. The boldness alone created such a huge spike of attraction that it was enough to propel you to at least a number or kiss as long you didn’t approach huge groups of girls in the Mystery style.

Nowadays, a girl is approached so often in different types of venues and on the internet that the most direct of openers may give you a minute of her attention (if that). What was bold 15 years ago is now the new standard today, suggesting that there is an arms race of game and status within any society that foolishly allows women to choose their sexual partners.
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In my own life, it has been rare that a woman found me attractive solely because I approached her. I have gotten compliments from a couple of women who were impressed I approached them randomly in a daygame effort. Unknown to them, I was doing an approach session. This only represents a small fraction of the overall approaches that I have done in my lifetime.
 
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What happens when a man doesn't receive significant interest from any woman out there? What can he do? Does he mostly end up going for women showing lukewarm interest. I think there a lot of men that experience this.
Be by yourself, the 21-31 pool is a disaster right now. So much entitlement its not worth it.
 

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"only" is a dangerous word here I think; what if "only" 3's and 4's or some 5's with red flags have high IL in me? I can only improve my SMV so much
Bifurcate your SMV. Present yourself in a way where half the women view you as a 7 and the other half a 3, instead of all of them viewing you as a 5. Be edgy, be unique, go for a certain look, etc rather than just being a generic dude.
 
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