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In societies where women submit, what are the consequences of not submitting? Usually pretty severe.That mentally is how feminism started to take hold. In general women should submit to men. That is how it has been throughout history. 50 years ago when a woman got married she was expected to submit to her husband (sex whenever he wanted, get dinner ready, don't talk back, etc.); if she didn't do those things society looked down on her.
The man was also expected to treat his wife lovingly/protector her or else other men/society would punish the man (jail; relatives of the wife would beat the man up if he was a wife beater, etc...) This is almost the same mentality in Asia right now. Heck even in societies that practice arranged marriages, the woman would submit. And I dare say, the majority of women submit to their men in these societies and they have one of the highest rates of happiness IN THEIR MARRIAGE even though both the husband and the wife didn't choose who their spouses would be. This is the same mentality in religious sects like the Amish, the Mennonites, LDS, etc... and there are scientific studies that say religious women are more happy than unreligious ones.
Most men are NOT "absolute dogsh1t"; most men are average and the average man is not a bad person. Just like how the average woman is not a bad person. However, men and women in general are NOT built the same. Men are built to be protectors. Women are built to submit. For most of human history, this was the way it work. Heck, the majority of societies in the world works like this. Remember there are Islamic societies, Buddhist societies, hindu society, etc.. Western ideology is not the major ideology. In those societies, women submit.
Some religious sects, they will kick the woman out of their society -- the amish, the menonites, etc.. Some countries, they will put the woman in jail.. and obviously worse. If a norm of society is broken, expect there to be consequences. In our society, if you kill your neighbor, or possess child pornography, we would expect there to be grave consequences. That being said, in some countries not submitting to men, the consequences are small. Women who do not submit are just ignored by society and shun. Men don't want to date them. This is relatively true in parts of SE asia.In societies where women submit, what are the consequences of not submitting? Usually pretty severe.
At the end of the day, threats of violence keeps people in check. While most people don't want to commit murder, those that do know that there will be grave consequences i.e., threats of extreme violence by society if they do (death sentence, long jail time, etc.). At the end of the day, it doesn't matter. The fact is women living in societies where they are submissive are more happy and content then those that don't. There have been numerous studies on this. If these women were worried about "threats of extreme violence" and that is the only reason they were submissive, their happiness would be lower, but that is not the case.is it real desire for submission to all men that these women have, or threats of extreme violence?
The average man is worthy of the average women. Don't buy into the propaganda that the average man is bad and only a small percent of men are good. For as long as man is alive; woman is the more "agreeable" sex.. the more feminine sex. For the most part, they did not fight wars, they did not build roads, they did not innovate or bring new technologies to MANkind. They were the passive gender, and men were the active one. Only within this generation have we had women trying to act like men and not be submissive.. not be feminine.I can tell you right now. Women hate being controlled by men they don’t like. They will naturally rebel. It doesn’t turn them on. Women get turned on the most when they are dominated by a man she respects.
Women only submit to worthy men. Like it or not. If you want women to submit to all men then you can only do it through enforced violence.
Men have always been trying and failing to control women. It started with Adam and Eve and the forbidden fruit. Eve couldn’t even submit to God. Satan came along (player) and Eve switched to what she considered a more worthy man.
This allegory is very important in understanding that women are not all-round submissive. Only to certain men. To the men she is not submitted to then she is chaos.
Unworthy men, who have failed in their burden of performance, demonstrating they can’t even master themselves. These men should not be controlling anything, let alone women.
Wrong question. Respect vanishes because of missing competence and wrong decisions. If you don't gain competence and make right decisions, priorities, etc. why should someone suddenly react in a different way (=respect you)?Once the respect is gone is there any way to get it back?
You have a point , but also men till recently had a very low life expectancy as there were a lot of wars for exampleThe average man is worthy of the average women. Don't buy into the propaganda that the average man is bad and only a small percent of men are good. For as long as man is alive; woman is the more "agreeable" sex.. the more feminine sex. For the most part, they did not fight wars, they did not build roads, they did not innovate or bring new technologies to MANkind. They were the passive gender, and men were the active one. Only within this generation have we had women trying to act like men and not be submissive.. not be feminine.
Throughout history, agree or disagree if it's a bad thing, but women were treated and acted more like how the Taliban treated their women. And for the most part, the women didn't mind.
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Lets agree to disagree. Men are not bad. When I say "men" we are taking about the average man. He's not perfect, but than the average woman isn't perfect. However, society demonizes "men" while the average woman gets a pass. That's not fair or a good thing to do. We have to demonize ALL people -- the average man and the average woman; or we don't demonize anyone.You have a point , but also men till recently had a very low life expectancy as there were a lot of wars for example
We should stop glorifying the average guy . The average guy does a lot of stupid things and usually never learns from his mistakes
the only way forward is for the average guy to improve , not to become vaginized and complain ( like most guys here )
things are how they are , good or bad this is the life . You can go above the problems ( like your predecessors did in time of great need ) , or you can complain and become bitter ( like women do ) . There is no middle path
if women do not like you it is more a problem with you than with them
guys perform and women choose . This is the Circle of life
You can do all right and someone can CHOOSE not to respect YOU. Another person can behave as you do and that person can choose to respect them. So it's not as cut and dry as you do x y and z and always on point and everyone will "respect" you, everyone will not "respect" you, but some will.Wrong question. Respect vanishes because of missing competence and wrong decisions. If you don't gain competence and make right decisions, priorities, etc. why should someone suddenly react in a different way (=respect you)?
Thus, work on your skills. Your body, mind, habits, you name it. It may take months, or sometimes years. Consistency is crucial. This is no 2-week-makeover.
If you do that, you may probably not even want that particular person back. You probably won't care about her anymore. But that's the place where you want to be. If you stay where you are, your next relationship will probably be similar to this one.
This happens because the average guy accepts the old average womanIt's not ok for the average woman to tell the average man: "you average guys suck. See that top 10% guy? Be more like him".
This happens because the average guy accepts the old average woman
feminisem is already at the 3rd generation . If men 2 generations ago would have not accepted this , women would have stopped behaving like they do now
men did not do that and started simping as a mechanism of survival
since women can hoe around without baring any consequences ofc they do not care and start having this crazy demands
a guy that trades his entire existence for some old smelling vagina does not deserve any treatment . He deserves what he gets
and also coming to the average guy , the average guy did not do anything . He mainly died in the wars of the rich and powerful so they can accumulate more wealth
so makes no sense to glorify someone like that . The world was changed by a handful of people , not because of the average guy .
the only time when the average guy was glorified was during communism , and we can all agree that it was a failed socio economic experiment
as a summary , what you seed is what you get and most importantly being truly red pilled is about knowing and accepting the human nature , not to say that women are hoes
women are how they are and in different circumstances would have been caring , loving and supportive to their man
man , no offense … but your ancestors were not happy living together . There might be some that were , but most of them were not . They were marrying for money between them first of all . Not that different than nowadaysSo according to you, average men suck. They deserve everything coming to them. Since only a few exceptional men change the world, those are the only men that count. Therefore average woman should get with those few exceptional men even though he will pump and dump her since in our society polygamy is looked down up and in a lot of places illegal.
Also, average women, once you are done getting pumped and dumped by the handful of exceptional men and your looks have faded; have your box of wine ready, be sure to obtain some cats/dogs and be happy at home watching TV, sad and lonely? Without a family.. without a spouse.. without meaning?
What kind of mystical bullshiet is this? I also don't understand your statement on communism. Average men being capable and deserving of average women have nothing to do with communism. Lots of society have average men pairing off with average women, but yet those societies are not communist. If that was the case, than almost all society would be communist because in almost all societies woman and men pair off.
Men have created a society that if full of abundance as compared to the past. Starvation is almost a thing of a past EVEN though just a few generations ago, it was a real threat. Men have created a cleaner environment (indoor plumbing, sewage system, etc)... and they as a group for the most part maintain this environment for society.
Take away the average man from society, and society will fall. A lot of those average women who complain that average men are not good enough, they would be on their knees asking for why their foods aren't on the store shelves... why the roads are no longer working.. or why they don't have any heat or air in their houses.
Shiet, do a Thanos snap on the average man, and western society would fall. Do that Thanos snap on the average woman, and society will still continue. Albeit, a more depressing, and less passionate world. Fewer family... fewer opportunities for the average man to exercise his abilities to protect and to provide. But as a group, the average man will survive.
Throughout history.. For hundreds and thousands of years. The average woman paired off with the average man. During this time most of these men were NOT 6 feet tall. Were not making 6 figures.. or even have a fancy car. But yet, those people hooked up. They had a family. They enjoyed their life together until one of them died. What's up with the average women's attitude today? Why isn't the average man good for her today while in the past he was?
That's a nihilist opinion... You must be fun at parties. Why even bother with seduction at this point? The warm comfort of empty, timeless space sounds much more interesting than this current construct that we are living in ;-) hahahahahahahman , no offense … but your ancestors were not happy living together . There might be some that were , but most of them were not . They were marrying for money between them first of all . Not that different than nowadays
have no idea what is this romantic view on the old time , but human beings were sh1t 3k years ago and are sh1t also in present days
So my BPD LTR ended today, posted about it last year and ended up staying with her for another year. I rationalised it by assuming her out of control behaviour was just typical woman stuff and the sex was great, probably the best Ive had so that kept me going.
So normal behaviour for her is starting a fight (usually out of nothing), grabbing all her things (and any gifts she has given me) storming out of the house and going no contact for days sometimes up to a week. I used to call her during these breaks but found out pretty quickly that it just made it worse so now I deal with it by doing nothing and eventually she calls me back pretending nothing happened and nothings wrong. We bang and hang for about another week then she'll start that process again. I could go into details about the BPD craziness but thats not on topic.
Lately its been getting worse, fighting over more stupid **** then usual (thats saying something) and the level of disrespect is getting brutal. Previously I was able to deploy a level of stoicism, grit my teeth and wait for the storm to pass but this new level is starting to get to me. Im losing my ****, yelling back etc and today's breakup was a direct result from that. The question is what to do from here?
Her BPD will force her to reach out eventually but probably not before she starts monkey branching (she ended up ****ing some guy last year after one of these breakups which I forgave as I was doing the same because technically we were broken up). I mean is my standard to low or is this normal woman behaviour?
Is there anyway to get this thing on track or should I just get over it? Its day 1 so Im feeling miserable and if she called now I probably would take her back.
What happened? What was it that finally made you block her? I miss my great piece of ass man, god damn she was hot. Saw mine on bumble this morning, that's a total of three days it took her to start up the single life. Its kind of funny cause she asked me once how long it would take to get over her and I said probably about a month, she got so offended yet here she is three days later.....Been there bro, I feel ya. Last night I finally blocked my version of your gal. She’ll probably email me begging back, but **** her. Such a shame great piece of arse.
Just walk it ain’t worth it.
I do not take things seriously , that is the entire catchThat's a nihilist opinion... You must be fun at parties. Why even bother with seduction at this point? The warm comfort of empty, timeless space sounds much more interesting than this current construct that we are living in ;-) hahahahahahah
Most of your opinion regarding the average man/woman and about relationships are at irrational; are not based on facts (you barely specify any while I hint at numerous scientific studies). Instead, these opinions come off as being very emotional, very Misanthropic.it is not nihilistic view , it is a stoic one
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Read the history , then come back with something relevantMost of your opinion regarding the average man/woman and about relationships are at irrational; are not based on facts (you barely specify any while I hint at numerous scientific studies). Instead, these opinions come off as being very emotional, very Misanthropic.
Stoic people are very rational and not emotional. They see how the world is base on facts and to a lot of people they seem ambivalent about the world. You don't seem to fill this definition by your posts.
A Stoic is an adherent of Stoicism, an ancient Greek and Roman philosophy of life. Stoics thought that, in order to be happy, we must learn to distinguish between what we can control and what we cannot.daily-philosophy.com
Your posts verge on nihilism, but definitely come off as being Misanthropic. Your hatred and disgust with the common man is palpable. This is not how a stoic should act or feel.
Whatever, you be you. Perhaps your posts do not really reflect who you are, but going only by your postings, you lean more towards being a misanthropist.
These are the facts I mentioned and that you could easily verify:Read the history , then come back with something relevant
right now you only have an emotional response to something that you never thought about and you do not like , as most likely it will just destroy whatever universe you built for yourself if you would accept
I'm Asian. I agree to a certain extent to what u say. Western influences through TV, movies ect., do affect culture. However, there is a spectrum. The typical Asian woman from Asian will be more feminine than the typical western woman.As the husband of an East Asian women can testify that they absolutely do talk back to their husbands and their men, by and large, are massively blue pill.
i don’t think you can generalise several billion Asian women. It’s quite possible there are some feminine Asian women who want to marry a westerner.I'm Asian. I agree to a certain extent to what u say. Western influences through TV, movies ect., do affect culture. However, there is a spectrum. The typical Asian woman from Asian will be more feminine than the typical western woman.
Also, by not being Asian and marrying an Asian woman almost guarantees you married a woman who is not as feminine. Most female Asians from Asia would rather marry other Asians. The ones that are willing to marry foreigner are usually more atypical.