New forum section: the blackpill?

Gamisch

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Makes sense. 63% of men didn't date, the website must stay alive and so more and more incels/blackpillers will join.

Give them a space. All this complaining about women doesn't belong im the mature man and especially not in the don juan section.

Give the blackpillers their space, so they don't have to ruin the other sections.
 

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The majority of men are still blue pilled in their ideologies toward romantic relationships.

Red pilled and black pilled men are still a minority.

In the last 7-10 years, the growth in the black pill ideology has exceeded the growth in the red pill ideology.

Male experiences in the mating marketplace continue to get worse and worse. That's why the more pessimistic black pill ideology is growing faster than the red pill.

The red pill seemed to more closely associated with Generation X in the United States. A lot of either red pill or pickup artists came out of Gen X. Roosh, Heartiste, Mystery, Neil Strauss, and Rollo Tomassi are all Gen X'ers. Roosh was the closest to a Millennial as he was born in 1979 and the earliest Millennials are from 1981/1982 depending on the source. For the next sentence, I'll use the Pew Research definition of Millennial (1981-1996 births).

With Millennials, the first half (1981-1988) has more of a red pill/black pill split among those who have made the leap from blue pill whereas the second half (1989-1996) seems to be more black pill. I'm from the first half of the Millennial generation. I am probably closer to red pill than black pill but I admit that the black pill is growing and I can see the valid reasons behind the growth.

All Millennials have had to deal with a lot of negative experiences. Millennials are the first large generation (Gen X is a smaller generation) to be worse off than their parents in terms of financial metrics in the USA and most other Western nations. A lot of men's sexual worthiness is tied to economic factors. Millennials were not the first generation to deal with the effects of rising feminism/careerism in the dating market, but the feminism that Millennials and Gen Z'ers have experiences has grown more toxic since the 1960s-1980s Second Wave Feminism led most notably by Gloria Steinem. A lot of technology transformed the mating marketplace during the Millennials' teen to young adult years from online dating websites, to social media, smartphones, and swipe apps. All of those things have worsened the mating marketplace. This all happened while Millennials were the generation most affected by the late 2000s/early 2010s recession (mostly affecting the first half of Millennials). 2020 was also not kind to Millennials either.

If you consider the Millennial experience, it's no wonder why the more pessimistic black pill has grown. It is consistent with their experiences. Gen Z males seem to have their experiences building off of the more negative experiences of Millennials.
 

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I stopped watching news, TV and social media many years ago. To keep my sanity.

Coming here sometimes makes me depressed on the complaining. Makes me think 100% of the female population in the world are *****s who rode the c0ck-carousel and is going to divorce-rape you. And if you're not +6ft, 6-pack, full of hair and good looking, you'll end up banging a land-whale.
 
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I stopped watching news, TV and social media many years ago. It keep my sanity.

Coming here sometimes makes me depressed on the complaining. Makes me think 100% of the female population in the world are *****s who rode the c0ck-carousel and is going to divorce-rape you. And if you're not +6ft, 6-pack, full of hair and good looking, you'll end up banging a land-whale.
Some of the aforementioned are banging landwhales though, :lol:
 

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It is very sad to see the transition in society. I found this page in 2002 after a break up. It literally opened my eyes to what females actually desire. I took baby steps and built on the principles the OG’s preached back in the early 2000’s. I was never into PUA stuff but trying to improve all aspects of my personality and skills related to the game. 21 years later at 42 years old I am financially secure, recently married with a rock solid prenup, continuing to move up in my career... have an amazing circle of close friends.

i want to shake the black pills and tell them do the inner work... don’t even care about females or getting laid...get ripped, make money, become socially competent, get a great social network, build a plan for your life and work towards that!!!! Then you will find the game changes.... the women are a bonus to a squared away life.

I got a pm back in 02 or so from one of the legends on this site. His words were simple “ if you build it... they will come”. I find the black pills have zero patience... “ I have been working out 6 weeks now... and nothing”. It takes years.....just keep improving
 

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Nah, just delete them. They aren't interested in improving or putting in work. Just complaining. Losers. Stop providing a platform for losers. Thats how the USA ended up woke.
 

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Most of us red pill guys fundamentally disagree with the black pill ideology. But I am fine with them being integrated in this forum if they can be reasonable in discussion. What I don't like is the constant negativity that ends up overtaking a lot of threads where it just becomes a "looks/money" argument every time. Part of it is generational as @SW15 pointed out. Part of it is just our society has a loser's mindset anymore and it's the way people are.

Just in general, we have had a lot of new posters in the past 2-3 years now that just want to sh1t all over the red pill. They aren't even necessarily "black pill."
 

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As much as I disagree with the black pill, I do not want this forum to be centered on the red pill either. You don't need to choke on any swallow any pill to get laid.
 
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It is very sad to see the transition in society. I found this page in 2002 after a break up. It literally opened my eyes to what females actually desire. I took baby steps and built on the principles the OG’s preached back in the early 2000’s. I was never into PUA stuff but trying to improve all aspects of my personality and skills related to the game. 21 years later at 42 years old I am financially secure, recently married with a rock solid prenup, continuing to move up in my career... have an amazing circle of close friends.

i want to shake the black pills and tell them do the inner work... don’t even care about females or getting laid...get ripped, make money, become socially competent, get a great social network, build a plan for your life and work towards that!!!! Then you will find the game changes.... the women are a bonus to a squared away life.

I got a pm back in 02 or so from one of the legends on this site. His words were simple “ if you build it... they will come”. I find the black pills have zero patience... “ I have been working out 6 weeks now... and nothing”. It takes years.....just keep improving
I think patient is severely underrated.

Everyone wants a quick fix. But i really love this post. Its sounds scary when uiu say women are a byproduct. Men want to secure a good woman first ,and ise tyat as inspiration to get a better life ,work harer ect.

I agree though.(physical) Fitness is a good example. Would you like to date a land whale who promises you she will hit the gym after you put a ring on her finger? Or rather a womam who prepared for "meeting you " years prior, and now she is ready to go.
Some of the aforementioned are banging landwhales though, :lol:
I tried it once to kill a dryspell..wasn't a good experience tbh.

Pushed for an ltr,which i I obviously declined. ..Eventually she had enough of my wishy washy shyte , and she had new bf two weeks later.

A LAND WHALE !

The majority of men are still blue pilled in their ideologies toward romantic relationships.

Red pilled and black pilled men are still a minority.

In the last 7-10 years, the growth in the black pill ideology has exceeded the growth in the red pill ideology.

Male experiences in the mating marketplace continue to get worse and worse. That's why the more pessimistic black pill ideology is growing faster than the red pill.

The red pill seemed to more closely associated with Generation X in the United States. A lot of either red pill or pickup artists came out of Gen X. Roosh, Heartiste, Mystery, Neil Strauss, and Rollo Tomassi are all Gen X'ers. Roosh was the closest to a Millennial as he was born in 1979 and the earliest Millennials are from 1981/1982 depending on the source. For the next sentence, I'll use the Pew Research definition of Millennial (1981-1996 births).

With Millennials, the first half (1981-1988) has more of a red pill/black pill split among those who have made the leap from blue pill whereas the second half (1989-1996) seems to be more black pill. I'm from the first half of the Millennial generation. I am probably closer to red pill than black pill but I admit that the black pill is growing and I can see the valid reasons behind the growth.

All Millennials have had to deal with a lot of negative experiences. Millennials are the first large generation (Gen X is a smaller generation) to be worse off than their parents in terms of financial metrics in the USA and most other Western nations. A lot of men's sexual worthiness is tied to economic factors. Millennials were not the first generation to deal with the effects of rising feminism/careerism in the dating market, but the feminism that Millennials and Gen Z'ers have experiences has grown more toxic since the 1960s-1980s Second Wave Feminism led most notably by Gloria Steinem. A lot of technology transformed the mating marketplace during the Millennials' teen to young adult years from online dating websites, to social media, smartphones, and swipe apps. All of those things have worsened the mating marketplace. This all happened while Millennials were the generation most affected by the late 2000s/early 2010s recession (mostly affecting the first half of Millennials). 2020 was also not kind to Millennials either.

If you consider the Millennial experience, it's no wonder why the more pessimistic black pill has grown. It is consistent with their experiences. Gen Z males seem to have their experiences building off of the more negative experiences of Millennials.
Good point. I agree, most men are blue pill with redpill tendencies due culture, upbringing ect. I am Caribbean and that's tye perfect example. Every man acts like he's Alpha , yet they stilll live by bluepill ideologies.

Being redpill is the most unnatural and difficult thing to do. The reason I'm somewhat against plain blackpill ideology is because it never offers a solution. Good example is r/exredpill. Thats a completely different pill ,I don't even know which color. I geuss its a "return to the bluepill". But that's a space where mostly bitter women welcome you back and murmur redpill fecked you up.

Real redpill spaces and sites like this are rare.
 

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Its not like the whiners are gonna magically disappear. Might as well create a section for them and move their threads there.
 

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Its not like the whiners are gonna magically disappear. Might as well create a section for them and move their threads there.
Except they won't stay there to post. And labeling posts or posters "black pill" can be very subjective. What I think qualifies may be completely different then what the poster thinks or what one of our mods thinks. Slippery slope.
 

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It is very sad to see the transition in society.

I got a pm back in 02 or so from one of the legends on this site. His words were simple “ if you build it... they will come”. I find the black pills have zero patience... “ I have been working out 6 weeks now... and nothing”. It takes years.....just keep improving
Speaking of societal transitions, what happened to the "if you build it...they will come" catchphrase from Field of Dreams? Why did it disappear (because it did - it no longer exists), like so many other things have over the recent years?
 

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I thought blackpill wasn't necessarily about complaining but seeing how wicked female nature, and humanity in general, really is. Redpill is seeing the world in the same vein but having the confidence to navigate it. MGTOW/incels are usually blackpilled but why is that? Is the blackpill basically just redpill + defeatest mindset?
 

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I like the black pill theory and discussion that's productive and helpful like the harsh realities of modern dating. We need some people who are focused on things like how to improve your looks and why it's just as important as game or money and status. YouTubers who fit this mold would be Wheat Waffles and Men's Maxxing

However I don't like the bitter keyboard incels who don't go outside, don't work on themselves, don't talk to anyone, but everything is a cope and it's always over for everyone and no girl is hot unless she's Scarlet Johansson.
 

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To me black pill is an ideology that stops at knowing the true nature of women, frankly for a recently unplugged guy it’s depressing to understand nothing is the way we thought it was.

There is no sacred femenine.

People who adopt the mindset stop at that point and are stuck in a loop. They may have tried to be a DJ and failed miserably for a number of reasons, there are other mitigating factors as well. The issue is whether or not they are willing to put in the effort to change their fortunes - frankly it’s easier to justify why the 8.5 isn’t reacting to you than it is to realize you did not make the cut.

Many here rate women’s looks incessantly and say “she’s fat, ugly, old” but would tap that chit given the chance, they’re posturing and do not understand their place in the marketplace.

Delusion is real. We ridicule women for thinking they are unique little snowflakes, then believe we are as well.
 

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MGTOW/incels are usually blackpilled but why is that? Is the blackpill basically just redpill + defeatest mindset?
I am not an expert on it but i know several black pillers in real life. In their mind they seem to think they are the ones that are depriving females of their presence. In reality they all have pretty significant flaws and most females ... I mean almost all females find them off putting and do not want anything to do with them. They essentially give up on the game and a valuable past of human existence... as a defense mechanism for their flaws. Red pillers understand the dynamics and what makes females work. They continue in the pursuit of finding and maintaining an actual relationship and progressing through life with that person. Black pillers will spend their time looking at porn and visiting escorts...
 

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I am not an expert on it but i know several black pillers in real life. In their mind they seem to think they are the ones that are depriving females of their presence. In reality they all have pretty significant flaws and most females ... I mean almost all females find them off putting and do not want anything to do with them. They essentially give up on the game and a valuable past of human existence... as a defense mechanism for their flaws. Red pillers understand the dynamics and what makes females work. They continue in the pursuit of finding and maintaining an actual relationship and progressing through life with that person. Black pillers will spend their time looking at porn and visiting escorts...
I don’t disagree with anything above.

But one reason black pillers try to pin their dating/attraction issues on looks is because it’s almost impossible to know for sure what the exact problem is. Women generally won’t tell the guy, not even a close female friend.

So he picks his most “significant” looks flaw and pins the attraction problem on looks as a sort of Occummms Razzzor approach (intentional misspell).
 
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