My Experience With OLD Game

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I used to be in a facebook group where women exchanged tinder and OLD messages and discussed with each other what to do. It was like a "Rules" group for women. It was fascinating seeing women break down every conversation and seeing the guys they went for. It was like being a fly on the wall and finally seeing what the hell worked with women instead of spending time in the manosphere speculating. Some of the things I discovered were downright crazy.

- Some HB8+ went on 100+ dates a year. The c0ck carousel is real. These women would constantly post relationship memes on their walls. But every time they posted a meme, it would be about a different guy! Observing this from my perspective and knowing these women personally, it was the most hilarious thing. Especially whenever they would post a self righteous relationship meme. On the outside looking in, you think she's talking about one guy. But on the inside looking out, she is talking about a guy she met yesterday! Yet the meme would be so damn deep. These women are so devoid of real emotion and relationship substance that they fake it to their facebook friends. Most of them have nothing going on in their lives, not even real relationship drama.

-A lot of HB 8+ no longer have any ability to emotionally connect on a romantic level after 25 years old. They drown in abundance and their emotions are completely desensitized from all the validation they get. They can't really tell their left from their right anymore after a certain point. It's all about getting validation from high value guys and keeping that ego afloat. Hypergamy until they hit the wall.

-A lot HB 8+ are sociopathic and think the world revolves around them. As a guy, there are only two types of convos you will find yourself in with them: They are qualifying you for your value, or they have already categorized you as a beta orbiter and spilling all of their frustrations with dating hundreds of men onto you and using you as an emotional tampon.

-Even if it is just a one night stand, you STILL need status, good looks, resources, money, career, etc. If you don't believe me, check out the craigslist casual encounter ads. Every post will say "I want a guy who is educated." Why? That makes no sense. Well, if you understood the female ego and their need for validation, then you will think it makes perfect sense. It's a pride thing. Women still want to say they slept with a high status guy and then rejected him. It's a better story to tell than saying they slept with some loser. Even if she did sleep with some loser, no one will ever know about it so I cannot confirm if the women in my group ever slept with low value guys.

-Yes, women will make fun of you among their friends for being broke, short, ugly, fat, having a small penis, terrible in bed, etc. The funny thing is, I saw plenty of women make fun of good looking guys for being broke, sleep with them anyway, and then throw them away and say stuff like "He doesn't deserve to be in a relationship with me." So it is not all bad news for broke good looking guys. You will be made fun of, but some women will still use you for sex. You still have sexual value. In fact, I was amazed at how low women's standards were when it came to sex, but when it came to a relationship, he had to be PERFECT IN EVERY WAY. That explains how a hot woman can go on 100 dates a year. That perfect guy doesn't exist. It is insane. You think you're spinning plates? You think YOU'RE the player? Think again. Women are the REAL seducers. Their entire lives is based on juggling multiple men and using them for different things.

-Every date I saw was usually 10 messages or less. After that it was either exchange phone numbers or meet for coffee/date. If you find yourself exchanging more than 10 messages, it is a sinking ship.

-The most important takeaway that I realized in OLD game is that NO WOMAN is stupid enough to think she can ever find out anything about you online. They know the only way is a date. Most of your confusing OLD convos that lead to nowhere are actually just convos where women are using you for validation. They never intended to meet you. With high value guys, the date is set up right away.

-If you are good looking, tall, and have a career, and show all of that on your profile, you will qualify for a date with most women. It's not that complex where you have to figure out "online game." That's stupid. Women make very quick decisions. They have to. Imagine if you had an inbox of 200 love letters. You will IMMEDIATELY discard any letter from ugly or fat women. You won't have time to listen to their personalities. That's the reality of women.

-The fact that you know women are quick to date, use you for attention, or discard you right away let's you use occam's razor. If she is talking to you, you can deduce it to "This chick is either down to meet or using me for validation." So you say a few things and then agree to a meet or number exchange. No need for a 3 week interview on tinder.

In conclusion, OLD game is nothing different from the night clubs or any SMV meat market. Value gets you in the door right away. There is no confusion. And the lower value guys get the most confusion.
 
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I used to be in a facebook group where women exchanged tinder and OLD messages and discussed with each other what to do. It was like a "Rules" group for women. It was fascinating seeing women break down every conversation and seeing the guys they went for. It was like being a fly on the wall and finally seeing what the hell worked with women instead of spending time in the manosphere speculating. Some of the things I discovered were downright crazy.

- Some HB8 + went on 100+ dates a year. The c0ck carousel is real. These women would constantly post relationship memes on their walls. But every time they posted a meme, it would be about a different guy! Observing this from my perspective and knowing these women personally, it was the most hilarious thing. Especially whenever they would post a self righteous relationship meme. On the outside looking in, you think she's talking about one guy. But on the inside looking out, she is talking about a guy she met yesterday! Yet the meme is so damn deep. These women are so devoid of real emotion and relationship substance that they fake it to their facebook friends. Most of them have nothing going on in their lives. Not even real relationship drama.

-A lot of HB 8+ no longer have any ability to emotionally connect on a romantic level after 25 years old. They drown in abundance and their emotions are completely desensitized from all the validation they get. They can't really tell their left from their right anymore after a certain point. It's all about getting validation from high value guys and keeping that ego afloat. Hypergamy until they hit the wall.

-A lot HB 8+ are sociopathic and thinks the world revolves around them. When you are a guy, there are only two types of convos you will find yourself in with them: They are qualifying you for your value, or they have already categorized you as a beta orbiter and spilling all of their frustrations with dating hundreds of men onto you and using you as an emotional tampon.

-Even if it is just a one night stand, you STILL need status, good looks, resources, money, career, etc. If you don't believe me, check out the craigslist casual encounter ads. Every post will say "I want a guy who is educated." Why? That makes no sense. Well, if you understand the female ego and her need for validation, then you will think it makes perfect sense. It's a pride thing. Women still want to say they slept with a high status guy and then rejected him. It's a better story to tell than saying you slept with some loser. Even if she did sleep with some loser, no one will ever know about it so I cannot confirm if the women in my group ever slept with low value guys.

-Yes, women will make fun of you for being broke, short, ugly, fat, have a small penis, terrible in bed, etc. The funny thing is, I saw plenty of women make fun of good looking guys for being broke, sleep with them anyway, and then throw them away and say stuff like "He doesn't deserve to be in a relationship with me." So it is not all bad news for broke good looking guys. You will be made fun of, but some women will still use you for sex. You still have sexual value. In fact, I was amazed at how low women's standards were when it came to sex, but when it came to a relationship, he had to be PERFECT IN EVERY WAY. That explains how a hot woman can go on 100 dates a year. It is insane. You think you're spinning plates? You think YOU'RE the player? Think again. Women are the REAL seducers. Their entire lives is based on juggling multiple men and using them for different things.

-Every date I saw was usually 10 messages or less. After that it was either exchange phone numbers or meet for coffee/date. If you find yourself exchanging more than 10 messages, it is a sinking ship.

-The most important takeaway that I realized in OLD game is that NO WOMAN is stupid enough to think she can ever find out anything about you online. They know the only way is a date. Most of your confusing OLD convos that lead to nowhere are actually just convos where women are using you for validation. They never intended to meet you. With high value guys, the date is set up right away.

-If you are good looking, tall, and have a career, and show all of that on your profile, you will qualify for a date with most women. It's not that complex where you have to figure out "online game." That's stupid. Women make very quick decisions. They have to. Imagine if you had an inbox of 200 love letters. You will IMMEDIATELY discard any letter from ugly or fat women. You won't have time to listen to their personalities. That's the reality of women.

-The fact that you know women are quick to date or discard you right away let's you use occam's razor. "This chick is either down to meet or using me for validation." So you say a few things and then agree to a meet or number exchange. No need for a 3 week interview on tinder.

In conclusion, OLD game is nothing different from the night clubs or any SMV meat market. Value gets you in the door right away. There is no confusion. And the lower value guys get the most confusion.
Dude I love your posts man. Very good insights from the field that's very helpful as I battle my own field issues.

Everything you are saying here makes sense and it helps explain a lot of things from the OLD world.
 
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One thing I forgot to add is paying for dinner. This is universal among hot women. If you don't ask her if she is hungry (no matter what the date is) it will be a red flag. I was blown away at the amount of times women complained about the guy not asking if she was hungry even if the date had nothing to do with eating. They'll say stuff like "I can't believe he never asked me if I was hungry!!" And other women would chime in and say "He might be a sociopath." A lot of women would even cut ties completely with guys they really liked just for that reason alone.

In fact, with every little red flag, 10 women would come in and suggest the relationship to be over. You are not just dating her. You are dating her man hating friends as well. And they all hate you for the littlest things. In truth, women like to see other women in relationship misery. It is a negative circle jerk of neurotic women.

Asking her if she is hungry is like a principle to women (the real principle is thoughtfulness). Because you don't really know if she already ate or perhaps she starved herself and saved her appetite for the date. These are actually things that run in a woman's mind all day. It sounds petty to us but a big fvcking deal to women. So always ask because hell will freeze over before they bring it up themselves. They will sit there and test you all night. And be willing to pay, or at least go half way. I just pay because I don't want to overthink it.
 
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I can believe it.

Recently, I went out on a date with a girl and the plan was to get tapas and drinks. Well...I had a small dinner before we went out and completely forgot about ordering food. She of course said nothing at the time or even hint that she was hungry. The date ended up going bad and I never heard from her again.

I'm not sure if forgetting dinner had anything to do with it but I'm sure it did since I had mentioned tapas in the text I sent her. Would it kill these chicks to drop a hint or two...
 

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So you are saying that i should be some sort of patrick jane to date an 8 or 9?
Ill just do what i do to 7s,they get no special treatment whatsoever and the best thing to wish from me on a first date is a cheese burger from mackdonalds. If i have to work my mind that much to bang dem ill just stick with 7s and bang more.
 

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He made a lot of good points here. The abundance that women have after the age of 25 does make them incapable of having a relationship. Imagine if you looked like Ryan gosling - would you settle down with a oneitis? Women now are the players, not men.
 
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He made a lot of good points here. The abundance that women have after the age of 25 does make them incapable of having a relationship. Imagine if you looked like Ryan gosling - would you settle down with a oneitis? Women now are the players, not men.
The abundance that women have is a stark contrast to their actual value, which at times can hover around zero.

Even if they're fat and ugly.

It truly is ****ed up.
 
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