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20s American women are good as long as you can handle the maturity aspect and don't take them seriously. Then 30s American women are the absolute worst, from like 33-39. These woman are so fvcked in the head and full of attitude I can't even believe society tolerates them, but it does. Then, in my opinion, women in their 40s get RELATIVELY better. They have got riding the CC out of their system, exhausted their child support, had life kick them in the t\/\/at enough times to realize that they aren't so independent after all. They realize that being alone stinks, and men are darn good to have around when life gets tough. IMO they are just better people overall. Still a little attitude but its kept in check compared to the brats in their 30s. Also, yes, There are still plenty of women in their 40s who are in shape and look good. They aren't easy to find but they are out there.
 

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20s American women are good as long as you can handle the maturity aspect and don't take them seriously. Then 30s American women are the absolute worst, from like 33-39. These woman are so fvcked in the head and full of attitude I can't even believe society tolerates them, but it does. Then, in my opinion, women in their 40s get RELATIVELY better. They have got riding the CC out of their system, exhausted their child support, had life kick them in the t\/\/at enough times to realize that they aren't so independent after all. They realize that being alone stinks, and men are darn good to have around when life gets tough. IMO they are just better people overall. Still a little attitude but its kept in check compared to the brats in their 30s. Also, yes, There are still plenty of women in their 40s who are in shape and look good. They aren't easy to find but they are out there.
Pretty good assessment there. 30 something women are a tough lot. Many have raging bio clocks which makes relationship formation quite challenging. They are also ridiculously demanding. 20 something women are often fun and in no rush to settle down. 40 something women have either had their kids or not had their kids. Either way, they don't want more. For the 40+ guy childless guy, a 40+ childless woman who doesn't want kids and has stayed in shape is a decent option for at least a medium term relationship with limited aggravation.
 

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Medina once wrote on here, that realistically, most men can date 4 years younger. I think that is a fair assessment.

I have dated two women that were 10 years younger, they both pursued me.

The one I am dating now is 5 years younger.

If I were seeking a GF today, I generally look for 2-3 years younger as we are in the same stage of life then.
This is often overlooked. All these guys value the pvssy only, they act like real life is porn. You have to actually talk to the women, and to make any type of connection you have to semi be in the same stage of life.
 

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This is often overlooked. All these guys value the pvssy only, they act like real life is porn. You have to actually talk to the women, and to make any type of connection you have to semi be in the same stage of life.
If you're looking for an LTR, I think it is dangerous to go below age 25 under any circumstance. I think people in general change quite a bit at that age. Past 25, I think you can date them in a LTR depending on the woman. I would agree though that I think most men (for LTRs anyway) realistically can date about 5 years younger. Getting much more underneath that is not impossible but difficult.
 

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If you're looking for an LTR, I think it is dangerous to go below age 25 under any circumstance. I think people in general change quite a bit at that age. Past 25, I think you can date them in a LTR depending on the woman. I would agree though that I think most men (for LTRs anyway) realistically can date about 5 years younger. Getting much more underneath that is not impossible but difficult.
I'm currently dating a 23 year old who is much more stable, centered, intelligent and LTR-worthy than the vast majority of older women I've met. I think it's a purely case-by-case thing.

Let's not forget that in our not-too-distant past 18 year olds were marrying and staying together for life. Don't let this fallen world convince you that women need to slvt-it-up in their early 20's. It's pure propaganda. I live by the saying that "Good women are made, not found.
 

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I'm currently dating a 23 year old who is much more stable, centered, intelligent and LTR-worthy than the vast majority of older women I've met. I think it's a purely case-by-case thing.

Let's not forget that in our not-too-distant past 18 year olds were marrying and staying together for life. Don't let this fallen world convince you that women need to slvt-it-up in their early 20's. It's pure propaganda. I live by the saying that "Good women are made, not found.
The 20-30 "ho phase" that was being pushed by elders really messed things up. They figured folks would get all their bullsh1t out of their system, when instead they built bad lifelong habits and broke their connection mechanisms. The elders thought a "ho phase" would prevent it from occuring after marriage.
 

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I'm currently dating a 23 year old who is much more stable, centered, intelligent and LTR-worthy than the vast majority of older women I've met. I think it's a purely case-by-case thing.

Let's not forget that in our not-too-distant past 18 year olds were marrying and staying together for life. Don't let this fallen world convince you that women need to slvt-it-up in their early 20's. It's pure propaganda. I live by the saying that "Good women are made, not found.
Man you are lucky. Although I think it's the exception, there are girls out there that have their $hit together. Mostly it's girls that have an old soul and have a good upbringing and good family structure. I've met a few in my lifetime. These are the ones to wife up or LTR IMO.
Provide the leadership, guidance, nurturing, empathy, and in her case, flexibility and you two may get far.
 

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I'm now 57, was married from age 30 to 51, and - Covid notwithstanding - it's way easier than I remember it being before I got married.
Early to mid 40s is the age range I do best with - though, the fact that I look 10 yrs younger than I am probably helps.
There have been a few who were 20-25 yrs younger than me, all great in the short term - but long term, the age gap meant that we had very little in common outside the bedroom.
A 10-15 year gap seems to work best for me.

Current 'interest' is 42, she does have one kid, a daughter of 17... and not mother-dependent.
I wouldn't get involved with someone who had a younger, mommy-dependent kid.
 

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This is often overlooked. All these guys value the pvssy only, they act like real life is porn. You have to actually talk to the women, and to make any type of connection you have to semi be in the same stage of life.
Being in the same stage is totally overrated. I'd like a 19 year old girlfriend if possible.
 

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Medina once wrote on here, that realistically, most men can date 4 years younger. I think that is a fair assessment.

I have dated two women that were 10 years younger, they both pursued me.

The one I am dating now is 5 years younger.

If I were seeking a GF today, I generally look for 2-3 years younger as we are in the same stage of life then.
I've had women 19 years younger than me. Generally I don't want anyone over 30 because most women lose their looks and their figure at that age. It helps that I look a bit younger than my age (40). Women tend to guess I'm about 33.
 

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It is half of it, but more mature men may also get married and then divorced, could lose everything at 30-40, still be a mature man and have no real good options.

I really fear for my friends who married between 18-25
Sometimes when I see some friends frustrated at their marriage or some guy who caught his wife cheating him for months...

I feel really lucky to have never married in my life. And thanks to this forum I will never get married!
 

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Being in the same stage is totally overrated. I'd like a 19 year old girlfriend if possible.
How old are you?
 

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I feel really lucky to have never married in my life. And thanks to this forum I will never get married!
I flip flopped on the idea of getting married but was never close in any of my relationships to marriage. I'm not ruling it out completely but I have a very difficult time envisioning myself getting married at this point.
 
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Sometimes when I see some friends frustrated at their marriage or some guy who caught his wife cheating him for months...

I feel really lucky to have never married in my life. And thanks to this forum I will never get married!
Best 30th birthday decision you just gave yourself! Happy birthday Blacksheep!
You wrote the other day that your birthday is soon.
 

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This is often overlooked. All these guys value the pvssy only, they act like real life is porn. You have to actually talk to the women, and to make any type of connection you have to semi be in the same stage of life.
Talk to women? But “she looks so much cuter with something in her mouth”

No unfortunately you are right. You have to talk to them and play the game right first before you get to stick something in her mouth. Just like you would anything else in life.
 

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I've had women 19 years younger than me. Generally I don't want anyone over 30 because most women lose their looks and their figure at that age. It helps that I look a bit younger than my age (40). Women tend to guess I'm about 33.
I'm like you. I get told I look mid-30s even though I'm 44. Current gf is 28. Last gf, same age difference. Have banged 20 years younger as well.

Only thing is, they're all gonna lose their looks eventually. How long can I hold on? Men hit a wall, too - don't want to delude myself.
 

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If you're looking for an LTR, I think it is dangerous to go below age 25 under any circumstance. I think people in general change quite a bit at that age.
This is a good point. People here often say that you have to date young, because any older and the women get jaded, entitled, alpha widowed, and have trouble pair bonding. The problem is that what you say is also true. Getting seriously involved in a very young woman is a big risk because they are likely to change at some point, become dissatisfied, and start wondering what they've been missing. Unfortunately in today's culture, there aren't many good options when it comes to LTRs, it's always a roll of the dice.
 

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I think there can be a sweet spot in your thirties (and perhaps forties I don't know: I'm 38) where most younger girls don't automatically screen you out and you have a much better game/a stronger frame than when you were in your twenties. If I think back a decade, I had so many little insecurities back then that have simply evaporated. I definitely walk around with a lot more ease nowadays and women pick up on it. 2019 was my best year in the game since I first got into it way back in 2005. Average age of the 29 girls I hooked up with was about 25; I dated 2 girls for more than a month, one 22yo and one 32yo. There's just more range now.

Yes, some younger girls will screen you out - so a social circle 20 yo asked me out for a drink online last year and then backed off when she found out my age. But this is more about the online barrier imo: had we been interacting in person I highly doubt she would have given a ****. When you have game things like that still matter, but you can short circuit them to an extent 'in the field'. This is what makes me sad about everything moving online: it institutionalizes arbitrary selection criteria.

On the plus side though, I actually now get chased by 30-something women (during the pandemic I've been asked out I think 4 times by social circle women through dms). I'm by no means super-chad or anything: I'm like a 7.5-8 if I've been hitting the gym hard and everything is on-point). However the average late 30s male - i.e. my competition - is basically a trash fire.

At some point I'll hit 'the wall' too, though atm I still look much younger than my age (people say early 30s) and I keep myself in shape, whiten my teeth, dress well, eat my greens etc. Vibe is also a big factor. A lot of my peers - both male and female - have a leaden, heavy vibe about them. Everything is serious; it's like they've forgotten how to be loose and carefree (I think the corporate environment does this to people as they get older). And so when you roll up with the so-called 'seducer's aura', you wgive people a flash of light. I think this is part of what's often called charisma or 'state' or whatever. You know it when you see it, though.
 

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Being in the same stage is totally overrated. I'd like a 19 year old girlfriend if possible.
What do you see as a benefit in this besides looks?
 
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