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Masturbation...An interesting cause of AFCish behavior

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Okay, this little thing Im going to say isnt the all great answer to why who does what.

Its only one of those neat little things that its fun to think about.

Masturbating! Now, I dont care how you do it, or how often, the point is we are all familiar with what it is.


Now Im going to go out on a limb here, and give a situation, I dont want to hear about what you think about it, because as I said, its only a interesting little idea.


When a person masturbates, I suppose they look at porn. And in most porno's the people there are attractive. But orgasm isnt just the physical act of playing with yourself, orgasm is half mental.

So now this person (subconciously maybe) puts the porno woman on a pedestal, he gets "infatuated" with her on at least some slight level. Of course nobody wants to think "oh that ho is so ****ing sick, i bet shes had more c0cks in her mouth then 200 normal women" That wont get you off, because you are lowering yourself, as well as lowering the woman.

To have a succesful, good orgasm you must lead yourself to believe the woman in the porno is better then usual. You place her on a pedestal subconciously.

How many of you knew that you got on the computer to look at porn? How did you feel? All jittery? excited? nervous that you might get caught? guilty even?

And then you get online, and the page loads, and there is taht hot ass 8.5-9 all naked, rubbing herself, and you get more and more anxious, more nervous, and jittery, maybe your palms get sweaty?

Now maybe you dont notice it, but your making pathways and placing markers subconciously inside your brain.

Your brain now associates hot women & sexual thought,
with anxiety, nervousness, guiltyness, wanton need, desperation.

We all know thats not good.

So next time your sitting there at the computer, sweaty palmed and looking over your shoulder for fear of parents, think back to this post, and compare how you feel then, and how you feel when you are about to approach a hot woman.

Chances are, your going to feel a lot alike. And if you want to stop feeling anxiety and discomfort around hot strangers, then your going to have to stop placing porno women up on pedestals, which in turn is going to make it a lot harder to orgasm all alone.

(hint hint hint) ;)
 

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Porn is maybe an analogy, not a cause.

Whatever though, each man to his own.
 

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Women are not attracted to desperate men. Period.

-Pook
This is my main problem with the "no masturbation" theory. When you do not masturbate, you get desperate for somebody else to do the job for you. I would imagine this desperation would show in some way.
 

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hey now, Im as "pro-porn" as the next guy, but having a desperation for sex, is because you are used to that feeling as you masturbate. You might feel desperate as the file downloads, or as the computer boots up, and that desperation carries over.

Animals dont look at porno, they dont masturbate(in most cases lol) and you dont see an AFC dog sitting there going "yeah its a hot b1tch, but im too nervous to run her down and fvck her."

:) like I said its just an interesting idea to think about.
 

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oreo i think you may be onto something actually!
and about masturbating i think it is like EVERYTHING moederation is the key - too much and ya get lazy - too little and ya get desperate both of which will hinder you the tricky part is finding the right moderation for yourself (obviously it will be differnt for everyone) but its nothing to worry about really.
 

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Here's an interesting point.

Hey guys,

What if you're somebody who doesn't masturbate? I'm not anti-porn or anything (I like hot women just like the rest of you). Just that when I see a hot woman, I don't go "OMG she's so damn hot and perfect." I keep my cool in pretty much every situation (once I backed into another person, turned out to be a 22 y/o college student). I wound up telling her to stop crying and whining because I didn't want to hear it.

A response (not a flame) would be appreciated here.

Abbott
 

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Good analogy Oreo! That's genious right there. I agree with you Abbott, I don't masturbat a lot or look at porn...I've sort have learned to not need porn. Sex is a different thing...:D
 

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Im very neutral in this porn/no-porn jerkoff/no-jerkoff argument...

Just a recenelty in the past few month's i've been able to control myself to not masturbate for weeks on end, but sometimes ill get bored and yeah load up some porn...

However, when im NOT jerking off, sex isnt the thing thats always on my mind, alwayus have something to occupy my mind and i dont think oabout porn and jerking off. Its only whem i bored, i go like 'ah wat the hel ill jack off' or sometoing...
 

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Originally posted by sonick182
Im very neutral in this porn/no-porn jerkoff/no-jerkoff argument...

Just a recenelty in the past few month's i've been able to control myself to not masturbate for weeks on end, but sometimes ill get bored and yeah load up some porn...

However, when im NOT jerking off, sex isnt the thing thats always on my mind, alwayus have something to occupy my mind and i dont think oabout porn and jerking off. Its only whem i bored, i go like 'ah wat the hel ill jack off' or sometoing...
Idle Hands are the c-ck's play ground
 

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Originally posted by DirkPitt
Idle Hands are the c-ck's play ground
Then they don't get so idle when the play ground is "looking for oil," do they? ;) Although I do agree with the whole "jack off too much, your game goes down, jack off too little, your desperate" to some degree. I think it's more of what Green Curse said, everyone's needs are different. Now I might get a lot of "your full of bs" for this, but I don't jack it. That's right, I don't jack it. No, I'm not gay at all, I just don't really find a reason too. Besides, I'd rather my "guys" be sentenced to death by latex then by being "beaten" to death, so to speak. I'm not desperate either. Of course, I do get hard when a hot chick walks past or drops something and has to get it...
 

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hahaha

Thats why I think its semi-important to masturbate, at least as a way to build up tolerance to sexual stimulation. However, my post wasn't focused on so much the physical act of choking the chicken, but more so on the mental act of phucking yourself.
 

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I see your point with this.

I agree that spending an above average time looking at porn can cause dependency in some men. Over a period of time of getting used to having an orgasm looking at these beautiful and exotic women, some guys can actually find themselves trying to find ways to jerk off 2-3 times a day just to have that feel-good sensation. I know this because at one point, several years ago, I'd always spank it on the computer to porn. Constantly.

Getting used to beating it to these 'amazing' women in porn will hinder your game, severely. As oreo said, your brain will recognize this on a sub-concious level, associating the better orgasms with hotter looking women, as your fantasy is probably more detailed when given a hottie to think about. This leads you to thinking women that look like this are responsible for what makes YOU feel good, and the pedestal goes up.

I'm not pro jerk-off or anti jerk-off or anything like that. As a male, honestly, I masturbate 2-3 times a week, and usually have sex on average two days out of the week. For the sake of this debate, sometimes I'll look at porn, or sometimes I'll go straight from the mind.

I look at it simply as a 'quick fix'. When you feel the need to get off, you can freely do it. There's nothing stopping you. If you don't want to do it, then don't do it. It's all a matter of personal choice.

Just remember one thing though guys. Next time your spanking it to that hot blonde playing with her tits and rubbing herself, as good as she might look there, she eats, sleeps, breathes and ****s just like every other female on the face of the earth. There is no such thing as such an amazing woman that you'd be 'lucky' to have a chance with.

And this is the attitude most guys develop from jerking off to porn. There are women out there who are very in tune with their sexuality, they are hot, and they look untouchable. The average guy will think he has no chance whatsoever with nailing a chick like this.

Don't forget to ALWAYS treat ALL women the same. They are no different, you have nothing to prove to any of them. Regardless if you have a secret crush on a good-looking porn star or if there's some drop dead chick in one of your classes, none of them are these untouchable wonders.

Keep your cool about you, and DJ and live boys.
 

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Maybe it is important to "take a load off" every once in a while though...otherwise, you could shoot a hole through the next chick...
 

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haha, well said crazykid... i think we've all seen scary movie...
 

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Originally posted by oreo_renegade
my post wasn't focused on so much the physical act of choking the chicken, but more so on the mental act of phucking yourself.
I have a habit of not reading entire posts before I reply. After reading over the entire thing, I must say, you sir are brilliant. I went out to a local mall and looked at some hotties, and I realized that looking at her filled me with emotions almost identical those felt while on my computer shmackin it. I felt fear, excitement, slight guilt for looking, desperation, anxiety--sweaty... It made me think of her just like I thought of the hottie on my computer screen: I got great pleasure from seeing her, and I wanted nothing more than to touch her, but this seemed impossible, alot like when you are looking at a girl on a computer screen. That night I didn't get on my computer... I went straight to the shower.
 

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Heres how I think of it.. When you jerk off, you let out a lot of stress, physical mental what have you, and I've found that when I'm around girls shortly after, I'm really lazy about everything, aka non desperate, a whatever, who cares attitude. In a way this is good, you're not desperate, sort of playing hard to get. However you may get the 'boring' label and ignore any advances from the girl. When you don't let it out, you can either be desperate and AFC like OR I think it gives you the little extra push to be a little more sexual with whatever girl you may be talking to, you just can't overdo it. I always notice I am a little more daring with what I say, but I still keep it in the 'non-desperate' range. Basically it can help you be a little more ****y/funny or what have you. I think its all in the way you control yourself.. either jerking off or not isn't going to control whether you get the girl or not, but it can really give you a nudge in both directions, good and bad.
 

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The problem I have seen is that many men associate the orgasm with ejaculation. As we know, ejaculation releases semen from the body, and semen depletion = testosterone depletion, which means your male prowess drops a few notches while testosterone levels (chemicals in the body) replenish.

If you want to avoid these types of dramatic effects, while continuing your practice of masturbation or self-pleasure, you need to learn to dissassociate the orgasm with ejaculation and learn to channel the orgasm throughout the body. This is where you get into things such as the "Taoist Sex Practices" or the ever Popular "Tantric Yoga." But the act itself is called Injaculation, whereas, you do not release semen during your orgasm but rather orgasm inwardly, having a more profound and greater release. A well developed Prostate/PC muscle is usually necessary for this because upon the point of orgasm, you tighten this muscle and redirect the energy associated with the orgasm throughout the body.

Having done so, you can still experience an orgasm but can continue your sexual affairs without losing your heighten levels of testosterone. This makes for wonders in the bedroom as well as you are no longer bound by the constraint of feeling depleted after your own orgasm.

Practice is the key here, practice and lots of it.
 

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I think i'll try it. What if you get so used to it that when your with a girl, nothing comes out... might be kind of awkward
 

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Charm

I've heard about orgasm without ejaculating, and multiple orgasms, and all that. However the easiest way to do this is also a harmful way. Im sure youve heard about taking your hand, and directing things around down there, causeing the sperm to go into your bladder.

Now although my biology teacher begs to differ, I agree that ejaculation can be controlled by the mind. Maybe if not ejaculation, then orgasm at least.

They ARE two different things, and it is possible to orgasm without ejaculating (has had it happen before), however the weird thing was that my thing felt weird afterwards. It was used to having the wet sh1t all around it, and there wasnt any, so it was unusually weird.("unusually weird," haha!)

When you speak about "Taoist Sex Practices" I assumed that the orgasm without ejaculation happened during sex, however when you throw in Tantric Yoga, Im not so sure if you still reffer to orgasming during sex, or if you are reffering to a completely mind-induced internal orgasm.

I would be interestied in finding out more information about the things you mentioned because I know a chick who does Tantric Yoga. Do you have any URL's from where you got the info?

thx. :)
 

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Oreo,

I need to head out for a bit, but I do have some tricks for you in the post following this when I return. Ill post some links as well as gladly email you some well written docs and howto's on the basics and the theories. I can tell you also what has and has not worked for me, and let you be the judge and the practitioner of practices you choose.

- Charm
 
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