Married. How many guys have a side dish ?

[GT40]

What if it was your buddy’s woman and he wouldn’t find out? Is that different?

Not a chance. I’d never betray a friend like that. Not worth it

 

[Fruitbat]

Not a chance. I’d never betray a friend like that. Not worth it

So your wife would supposed to be your best friend.

A lot of guys I know, their wife is still a woman they are dating. They sneak around, they act differently in front of her. I don’t get these types of relationship.

Maybe I’m lucky. As an example, I can openly say what women I like and she does the same with men. Not people we know, obv.

I think it’s these types or marriages where you get this “if no one knows” attitude. I’ve read a lot about “married game” on here. If you’re in a decent marriage then the idea of game is just funny- other than things like, don’t get too overweight, be strong for her, be kind, work hard. This isn’t game. It’s just being a decent guy.

If someone is in a marriage where they think like this, they made a mistake. I have friends who always seem to be on their toes with their wife. I’m just so lucky I don’t have that. It’s down to the girl, mainly. I think most guys would want a wife who’s also a friend.

 

[Calihopeful]

This is why people who ask things like "what's the problem if no one knows?" can't be given a good answer, because you either have a conscience or you don't. And if they had one, they wouldn't ask that question in the first place. The feelings of guilt and remorse would in of themselves be the problem letting them know it's wrong. But their brains don't work like that. If you don't feel that betraying people behind their backs is wrong, then there's nothing anyone can say to "logically" convince you otherwise.

However I do make a distinction between you breaking your vows, and someone you sleep with breaking their vows. It's the responsibility of the committed person to not cheat, not the random single person.

Very excellent point. If someone does not have a conscience, how can you convince them much of anything is wrong? Perhaps it's a useless scenario then. Just as you cannot logically reason with someone who does not value reason, arguing with them would be a waste of time. That said, I think Sam Harris did a really good job at the end of his short book "Lying." (emphasis mine)

"Lying is, almost by definition, a refusal to cooperate with others. It condenses a lack of trust and trustworthiness into a single act. It is both a failure of understanding and an unwillingness to be understood. To lie is to recoil from relationship.

By lying, we deny others a view of the world as it is. Our dishonesty not only influences the choices they make, it often determines the choices they can make—and in ways we cannot always predict. Every lie is a direct assault upon the autonomy of those we lie to.

And by lying to one person, we potentially spread falsehoods to many others—even to whole societies. We also force upon ourselves subsequent choices—to maintain the deception or not—that can complicate our lives. In this way, every lie haunts our future. There is no telling when or how it might collide with reality, requiring further maintenance. The truth never needs to be tended in this way. It can simply be reiterated."