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I'm sorry but that's just not true.San Jose California said:Yeah but an average stoner (someone who smokes every day) spends $10,000 a year of his parents' money. It's such an extreme detail that non-stoners don't tend to notice, but if you do the math, a guy who buys a 20-sack a day will end up spending 10,000 dollars in a year.
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I am a stoner but I have problems with stoners. They routinely only focus on its positive properties, falsely argue that because something doesn't kill them that it therefore is safe, and resort to stupid conspiracy theories. It's as if there's this unwritten rule amongst stoners that "As a stoner, thou shall not disagree with stoners on the subject of being stoned."TheEnergizer:
man i dont even know anymore; all i hear is good things about it now except from my health teacher whos the only person i know who says its bad.
Three good hits of weed is about comparable to getting hammered on alcohol. Think about how much money is spent in a bar to get hammered—maybe $20-$30?—or think about the price of a six pack of beer from a convenient store, or a bottle of French pinot noir wine from a liquor store. I once figured out it can cost about $2.50 per high, all told, which is dramatically less than alcohol.Five To One:
Its not worth it. Its a waste of money. Sure I dont turn it down at parties when its offered but dont go out of your way to smoke.
Four times, but stoners smoke far less than one-fourth as often as regular cigarette smokers. The four times amount is also per joint, and so by smoking from a bong or pipe it takes a long time to smoke the equivalent of a joint.Darth:
puts 10x the tar into your lungs than a cigarette
My ability to assemble cohesive thoughts is hampered by weed, and so I mostly don't try, but a sense of creativity (like listening to music) is much stronger. You feel music as if as though it's part of your soul. Since I'm a DJ -- disk jockey -- my mixes always turn out better when I stoned, when I review my mixes later while sober, since the time warp of weed led to paying a lot more attention to detail and a greater appreciation of music.Maybe I've just known too many potheads coming up to me who think that they're brilliant and coming up with all this brilliant philosophy from when they were high with more holes than a piece of swiss cheese.
In terms of your lungs, it's true that never smoking weed is the best alternative, but the same argument can be used for practically anything. It's arguably the best alternative to never drink, never eat desert, never drive, never have sex, never fall in love, but life is not about risk aversion but rather risk management. Also, if someone were to say "If you just have two or three glasses of beer a week, you're set," would you go off on them? Alcohol has its demons but people conventionally don't have a problem with arguing for moderation; people arrested on DUIs aren't advised never to drink again—just be smart about it. I understand where purists are coming from but there is the inherent problem of arguing abstinence in answer to the question of "Okay, but if I do do it, how can I intelligently maximize reward while simultaneously intelligently minimizing risk?" The question becomes harder to favorably answer as one moves up the drug totem pole of risks but suffice to say marijuana is at the bottom of the totem pole, lower than beer.San Jose California:
I think if anyone really thought for 2 seconds, they'd realize that NEVER having smoked weed is the best alternative, or max, get really high ONCE in your life.
Except for effects on the lungs, scientific studies consistently demonstrate all and any cognitive deficiencies are gone within six weeks and studies have failed to establish marijuana has neurotoxicity (in other words, kill brain cells).Darth:
[Marijuana] screws with your brain in short-term and long-term ways.
http://www.webmd.com/news/20060313/smoking-marijuana-may-dim-memory?src=rss_cbsnewsDeep Dish said:Except for effects on the lungs, scientific studies consistently demonstrate all and any cognitive deficiencies are gone within six weeks
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Yeah, Deep Dish, you IDIOT, you need to become educated, like SanJoseCalifornia -- he's so smart, that he's coming up with his own self-"invented" side effects -- next up, he will be publishing in The Journal of Neuroscience! :crackup:San Jose California said:blah blah blah ignorant blah
Marijuana smokers show dysregulated growth of epithelial cells in their lung tissue, which could lead to cancer;8 however, a recent case-controlled study found no positive associations between marijuana use and lung, upper respiratory, or upper digestive tract cancers.9 Thus, the link between marijuana smoking and these cancers remains unsubstantiated at this time.
If you read through the rest of the article, you'll realize that there aren't any proven harmful effects, outside of some vague surveys that report things like "increased irritability" which any marijuana smoker you ask will be able to easily dismiss.A number of studies have shown an association between chronic marijuana use and increased rates of anxiety, depression, suicidal ideation, and schizophrenia. Some of these studies have shown age at first use to be a factor, where early use is a marker of vulnerability to later problems. However, at this time, it not clear whether marijuana use causes mental problems, exacerbates them, or is used in attempt to self-medicate symptoms already in existence.
No they don't, and like I said it's pretty obvious to everyone here whose gotten high that you don't smoke and probably never have. I know this because if you have you would know that this isn't true lol. Everyone who smokes knows that it's just a dumb myth among non smokers that people who are high just completely lose their minds. The reality is that when you're high, you just feel relaxed and uplifted but you don't have any sorts of actual delusions or hallucinations. That's just not an effect of weed. I'm pretty sure that any other smokers on the board will agree with me. That simply has no truth to it at all , I don't know why you're saying it.San Jose California said:I didn't come up with a side effect, but rather put in a sentence something that everyone feels when they smoke weed. There's nothing smart about it; in fact I think the idea for that sentence might have spurted from somewhere else I can't remember at the moment. Weed makes you forget who you are... weed makes you forget who you are... man I can just keep saying that cuz it's soooo true. IT'S THE #1 SIDE EFFECT OF WEED. (Bigger) Stoners in my dorm that have seen the quote on my door agree, but continue to smoke it as do I.
Thanks for the heads up, I just googled marijuana gland irregularities. Nothing came up that even related those words together in any way. Except one site that was a Christian forum called "talk jesus." Good job buddy. And why don't you show us where you read about this memory loss? Who knows, maybe you're right but I doubt it.Glad you asked because now I can easily demolish you in this debate that you have made immature by arguing and throwing insults. Google "marijuana gland irregularities" and note that at least the first 20 results aren't government websites. Same if you do that with the "memory loss" side effect. Btw, the memory loss actually is the 1-2 days after you smoke, not JUST while you're high. The memory loss is like the memory loss when you're high, just not as extreme or noticeable, which means if you smoke every day... it's always like that. Actually, those 2 side effects are the only 2 major proven side effects from weed I believe, but I like that other one because it's true anyways.
Show us this "proven study." Where is it? I think you made it up.Great, so now I have to explain some of the sh!it I quoted because someone's too stupid to understand it? Look, I was pointing out that people who don't take care of their bodies as well, and people with slightly lower IQ, happened to be included in that study (which is a proven study so stfu.
Lol, you've been trying to prove that marijuana is bad, not that it attracts people that are already unhealthy. Maybe it does or maybe it doesn't, but either way it's not the plant's fault that they are unhealthy so it really has nothing to do with the whole argument of whether weed is bad. And since you like google so much why don't you go to google and type in "marijuana IQ" and see what pops up?Oh, and there's no .gov in the URL so you don't have to b!itch about that either), MEANING that marijuana tends to attract more unhealthy and stupid people, which is a fact that goes well with the quote at the bottom of this post. THAT is what I was pointing out with that quote, not that weed MAKES you stupider and more unhealthy, obviously. Thought that was a given but apparently not.
Sigh... another product of our fvcked up health education system in schools... like I said you need to do your own research and stop believing what your mom and teachers told you back in middle school.My immediate reaction: It's a DRUG you idiot; of COURSE it has downsides. If you have taken the drug yourself and not noticed the downsides then you are just STUPID.
Good job singling out one tiny little phrase and trying to pick that apart. Whether or not "forgetting who you are" fits under the category of delusion, which I be most people would believe it does, doesn't matter: point is, it's not a side effect of weed.San Jose California said:Because I totally mentioned that weed makes you go delusional and hallucinate and you didn't.
Uhm... glad we agree on something I suppose? Completely irrelevant but something!
Because in your mind, "weed makes you forget who you are" is the same as "weed makes you delusional and hallucinate", that's why? This seems to be a similar misreading to "weed changes who you are". How do you do that so much? Go back and re-read my post. 50 times.
I just did: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=marijuana+"gland+irregularities"&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=Fine, even though you should know this already I'll make it easier for you. Google this: "marijuana "gland irregularities"".
yes, while you're high. there is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that marijuana has any noticeable effects on memory after you're high has worn off.The memory loss side effect is in practically any list of side effects for marijuana.
Sounds more like a placebo than anything else to me. If you've heard all your life that weed is bad and after a few heavy days of smoking you forget a few things that you might have forgotten anyway, it's likely that you'd say it's because of the weed. Then again, you might be right. There isn't any data to suggest that the plant causes this though, and it sounds so mild that it seems unlikely. I know people who smoke grams a day and don't have memory problems. I smoke regularly and I don't have any problems learning and remembering or studying.The other proof is again, 1st hand experience. My roommate has this word, "washed", that he uses for whenever he's in a certain state (not high) where he realizes that he has just been letting life happen, to the point where he can't remember many events that weekend, BECAUSE he got high every day for the past few days. That is combined with the fact that the following several hours after you get high, the memory fvucked upness is still there, just not as intense. I mean get real, it's not like the memory problem goes away INSTANTLY just as you don't turn sober INSTANTLY; side effects still follow after (you can even test positive 3 weeks after you took the stuff). This is like a weed hangover the way I see it. I know exactly what my roommate means so I now used the term "washed" cuz I think it's awesome. "dude I'm so washed". Judging by myself being washed, it's not a seeerious downside. I mean if important stuff happens of course you'll make yourself remember it. I imagine though that a lot of these washed feelings in a row could lead to long term memory shortage and not just short term.
I asked you to show us the study that said weed is connected to lower IQ. You have as of yet failed to do this. I'm not sure what site you're referring to but if it states that there has been a legitimate study that connects weed to lower IQ then show us and prove me wrong. I'm legitimately curious.I don't need to show you as long as you take minimal details that any remotely intelligent person should naturally notice anyway. You ready for this? Okay, so in the article, the first words in the first sentence are "This study", so that's how you know it's a study. Got it? Cool! Then at the bottom of the page it says "Research Support, Non-U.S. Gov't" so that means it's not a study by the government! Whoa! I was actually half expecting you to point out that there indeed is a .gov in the URL since I said it wasn't a govt. site, but damn you didn't notice that either.
yeah but i'm pretty sure that's not what the OP, or anybody in this thread cares about, and it's definitely not what anybody here is arguing. what he asked is if weed is really bad for you and i'm posting to inform anyone who might read this thread.Sorry, what? Who entered in that post, you know, the one with my name on the left side of it? Oh yeah that's right me. And the same person knows what he was doing in his post too! Proving that marijuana has negative effects AND that it attracts unhealthy people, thank you, not just one or the other.