Is sex sacred to women at any point?

[mrgoodstuff]

After the additional partners she likely became hard to be around. It's something about the energy.

Like a "porcupine"... The pump and dumps each stripped the comfort and pleasure and being around her, and eventually replaced that kinder shell with porcupine spikes, and each additional pump and dump after this point added another spike to her shell.

 

[Bigpapa]

After the additional partners she likely became hard to be around. It's something about the energy.

yep , I remember her being lively , innocent and sparkling eyes , in present day is not the case . Plus she has a cold stare now that just give me the creeps

And I see this consistent across women . The ones that I know have a low partner count still keep this traits , while others that have a high partner just lack this

 

[samspade]

I think "failure to pair bond" and "alpha widow" are two of the most overrated concepts in the manosphere.

If a woman stays a virgin until 35, she's not going to be magically well-adjusted to pair bonding with a man, any more than a woman of the same age with an average notch count. This is red pill projection, the same as when feminists call men "fukk boys" or "Peter Pans."

I say this as a man who loves young women. Why? They look hotter, are fertile, and we know that they emit pheromones that are irresistible. For these reasons alone, most will have had a massive head start on sex over boys or men their age.

Furthermore, I believe (though I don't speak for everyone) that sex diminishes in importance for men AND women as experience goes up. At least for those of us who can go out and get it regularly. I mean I constantly see threads right here on SS declaring something like "banging lots of women but feeling empty." There's one that was started last week.

It loses its mystery over time...which is probably why we men like to recapture the novelty of having sex with a young woman. But believe me, if there's a c0ck carousel, there's also a pu$$y carousel. Not saying it's a bad thing - we should all do what makes us happy.

As for "alpha widow," don't kid yourselves, gents. Most females will have at least fukked one Alpha (relative to her SMV) before she's fukked you. Some just can't move on, which is a red flag, but not some mystical spell. Unless you were the alpha then okay.

 

[Bigpapa]

I think "failure to pair bond" and "alpha widow" are two of the most overrated concepts in the manosphere.

If a woman stays a virgin until 35, she's not going to be magically well-adjusted to pair bonding with a man, any more than a woman of the same age with an average notch count. This is red pill projection, the same as when feminists call men "fukk boys" or "Peter Pans."

I say this as a man who loves young women. Why? They look hotter, are fertile, and we know that they emit pheromones that are irresistible. For these reasons alone, most will have had a massive head start on sex over boys or men their age.

Furthermore, I believe (though I don't speak for everyone) that sex diminishes in importance for men AND women as experience goes up. At least for those of us who can go out and get it regularly. I mean I constantly see threads right here on SS declaring something like "banging lots of women but feeling empty." There's one that was started last week.

It loses its mystery over time...which is probably why we men like to recapture the novelty of having sex with a young woman. But believe me, if there's a c0ck carousel, there's also a pu$$y carousel. Not saying it's a bad thing - we should all do what makes us happy.

As for "alpha widow," don't kid yourselves, gents. Most females will have at least fukked one Alpha (relative to her SMV) before she's fukked you. Some just can't move on, which is a red flag, but not some mystical spell. Unless you were the alpha then okay.

I agree with you till a point .

the problem is that in the case of a virgin at 35 it just means that she is low value ( not good looking ) which in return will make her a horrible partner to bond with , as she has a ****load of insecurities .

but let”s say that we talk only about average and upwards girls , it is impossible to be a virgin at way older age than the average age when girls start their sexual lives .

the thing with the diminishing the value of sex I do not think it has to do with what you have mentioned , but more that she just brakes away from the matrix ( the fairly tale about soul mates , love and stuff like that ) which makes her bitter at the beginning and then just sees sex as sex .

the reality is that in order for a woman to bond properly she must not loose the idea of this soul mate fairy tale

I have never seen a woman with a “ dark past “ that properly managed to bond with a guy , unless she wanted something explocit from him and saw the relationship as sex for whatever she wanted from him

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

So Austria Dik ( a redpill YouTube) claims that sex holds very little significance to a women. Giving her body away is equal to an elbow massage or hand shake. I would disagree. I would say that most women start off viewing sex as special. What happens is after that first guy who Alpha widows them, then they disconnect love from sex. This is the definition of a whure. A women who has completely disconnected love from sex.

I may be wrong though because I had a convo with my cousins. This was years ago. I was advising them to not be whures. I told them that the first guy is special. One told me that she didn't feel any type of special connection with the first guy. She just wanted to get it over with to finally experience sex. Now she a hoe to high status men/ rich men.

I have my viewpoint is because I grew up in an era where the older guys told me that after sex you have the girls heart. My old heads and my dad told me to not abuse her emotions after sleeping with her. Dad said before sex she has the power, after sex you do. That may just have been late 90's blue pill conditioning though.

I don't listen to red pill cucked channels. If they don't approach, it's just cucking and jargon. It's nonsense of the channel to suggest that.

Sex may hold value for her before she has sex. Girls are starting very young. Utilise sex for money and rope in some guy. High value men don't wait. It holds little value women you have options. Its again why men must chase excellence. Purpose must take precedence.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

yep , I remember her being lively , innocent and sparkling eyes , in present day is not the case . Plus she has a cold stare now that just give me the creeps

And I see this consistent across women . The ones that I know have a low partner count still keep this traits , while others that have a high partner just lack this

I have to agree with you in my experience as well. I caution you about the idealism though as girls under 18 have stupid high kill count as gross as it is. Modern women break 100 + before 25.

 

[Bigpapa]

I have to agree with you in my experience as well. I caution you about the idealism though as girls under 18 have stupid high kill count as gross as it is. Modern women break 100 + before 25.

never heard this one before . I think that is an exaggeration . From what I Know the median count for sex partners is 9 global , which means that 50% had less than 9 partners and more 50% more than 9 . The big countries were feminism is more powerful the median is at 10- 11 .

the funny thing is that usually the average and ugly ones have a higher notch on average when compared to the high value women

women have a lower notch count in all the studies by half

100 partners is top

 

[fastlife]

You are describing alpha fux/beta bux - dualistic female mating strategy. The truth is that woman ideally wants these 2 needs met in 1 man, but that's very hard to find. The alpha is too abundant to commit, and the beta is too beta to provide alpha tingles. A woman's ideal fantasy is to secure an Alpha who commits to her, but this is nearly impossible - nature is cruel. So she'll take the alpha seed, and get a beta to raise the brat. It's not what she really wants to do, but it's how she manages the problem.

Right, but the idea that women want everything in one man as the ideal is one idea the manosphere and Blue Pill society at large have in common IRL that hasn't been my experience (both firsthand and observed) at all--at least not long-term. Some women are more monogamously inclined than others--and most girls will be monogamousish at some point and will want a wedding, but I think a lot of that is just social conditioning, social pressure, and the fact that until recently women haven't had access to as many high value men. In the past, it was a lot easier for her to optimize her hypergamy in one man; perceived value is always relative. I think most girls find it possible and often preferable to get better provisioning and better Alpha from multiple sources, whether that's split over different seasons of her life or concurrent. I think the idea that women aspire that optimized hypergamy in one man as a rule serves male reproductive goals (assured paternity and ego) more than it does women (as long as they have someone to take care of the child). No one on either side of the pill is entirely free of ego investments.

She'll have lots of sex with Chads in the hope that she can secure one. Woman have more sex because they can, but the drive isn't for sex. She's hoping she'll find a high-value man to commit to her. It's in her biology.

Women may get more sex than 99% of men, but the 1% Chads get far more sex than 99% of women.

Women will have sex with Chad (stupid term btw--have yet to run into him infield in any stereotypical sense), just for sake of having sex with Chad. Attraction is not a choice. And many of these women don't want to be locked down (though they might give it the old college try from time to time)--granted I have limited experience with any girls over 22ish.

The biggest insult you can through at a woman is "slvt" - if women just wanted sex for fun, then this wouldn't trigger her. Call a man a "slvt" and he'd just smirk and wink at you.

Again, I think you're confusing social pressure with nature. When that social pressure is removed, you get a very different picture. And you have to ask why that social pressure existed in the first place.

It's pretty well-known fact that the more sexual partners a woman has, the more difficulty she has pair-bonding. It's like taking your first hit of heroin. The next hits just ain't the same. That's why virgins were highly prized in history - They bonded. Ever heard the term "You can't turn a wh0re into a housewife?" It happens to be true.
Once a woman starts upping her notches then her Hypergamy death spiral kicks in and she keeps chasing the bigger, better deal until she hits the wall.

The Coolidge Effect is also a well-known phenomena--most of the chemical ****tail that results in monogamy lasts 2-5 years (used to know a more exact figure), just long enough for the child to walk... In the past, most people didn't live past their early thirties.

That said, there are major evolutionary advantage to dual parental investment. I'd say overall humans walk the line between r/K selection--with evolutionary traits of both tournament and pair-bonded species--and that behavior often manifests itself in a single person over the course of the lifetime, though members of both sexes swing one way or the other.

 

[fastlife]

I think the pitfall is when guys start assigning roles to women. "Wh0re," "Alpha Widow," "Quality Woman," etc. Men, even (or especially?) red pilled men, seem to want to project a narrative onto a girl. I've fallen into the trap myself. I'm speaking for myself here, and to the OP in this case.

Missed this, but totally agree.

Don't get me wrong. If I'm privy to her past and it doesn't sit well, I'll stay true to my standards. But I make sure that it's my inner self and not my ego making the decision. A woman with a higher than normal notch count won't necessarily be "disconnected" from sex and love, and a sweet little angel can go out and get railed in a ONS and tell no one, not even her BFF. And as far as drive, there's just no stopping adolescent/young adult female sexuality. It's not the 24/7 horniess of a teen guy, but I think men underestimate it as a force of nature.

Men want a sure bet--and they're wise to hedge their bets as best they can--but ultimately all you can do is be a high value man and let the chips fall where they may. If you stay a high value man, either outcome shouldn't be too much of an issue

Anyway I think for most guys here that when a woman gives up her body to you, it's a special thing. Most Sosuavers know how to make her feel special, so she probably likes you. (As opposed to fukking for trade or pity or something.) So, I take it for what it is and appreciate it since it's usually mutual. Whenever I see alpha widow/slvt talk (always post facto) it's because they missed some red flag or their game slipped or the ego just needs soothing. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing in the moment, but I don't think it's healthy to dwell on that stuff.

As for "alpha widow," don't kid yourselves, gents. Most females will have at least fukked one Alpha (relative to her SMV) before she's fukked you. Some just can't move on, which is a red flag, but not some mystical spell. Unless you were the alpha then okay.

Agreed with this as well. The idea of an alpha widow is another male ego-driven fantasy. Sure, it has its basis in reality--plenty of women get hung up their exes--but IME most of those women are low self-esteem, have emotional issues going back to childhood, and are using that idealized man who did her wrong to manipulate her new target into betaizing himself, manipulate the old lover into investing (people invest when they feel special), and to garner social sympathy. HSE high value people of both genders get over their exes--the inability to do so completely would be a major evolutionary disadvantage unless they just didn't have any other options.

 

[Pan87]

Right, but the idea that women want everything in one man as the ideal is one idea the manosphere and Blue Pill society at large have in common IRL that hasn't been my experience (both firsthand and observed) at all--at least not long-term. Some women are more monogamously inclined than others--and most girls will be monogamousish at some point and will want a wedding, but I think a lot of that is just social conditioning, social pressure, and the fact that until recently women haven't had access to as many high value men. In the past, it was a lot easier for her to optimize her hypergamy in one man; perceived value is always relative. I think most girls find it possible and often preferable to get better provisioning and better Alpha from multiple sources, whether that's split over different seasons of her life or concurrent. I think the idea that women aspire that optimized hypergamy in one man as a rule serves male reproductive goals (assured paternity and ego) more than it does women (as long as they have someone to take care of the child). No one on either side of the pill is entirely free of ego investments.

You've got your notions about societal conditioning of women completely back to front.
The idea that women are actually natural-born slvts, and are just socially conditioned to be monogamously-inclined, is the real male ego fantasy. Women are hypergamous, which is an entirely different thing all together.
Men want sex with as many women as possible.
Women want sex with the highest value man she can find.
Men Display, Women Select.

The reason women are able to have consequence-free sex with lots of Chads is because of birth control and abortion. That's the real "social conditioning", otherwise you'd see women being far more selective.

The downside of this social conditioning of women is that birthcontrol and abortion royally screws women up hormonally and mentally.


Women will have sex with Chad (stupid term btw--have yet to run into him infield in any stereotypical sense), just for sake of having sex with Chad. Attraction is not a choice. And many of these women don't want to be locked down (though they might give it the old college try from time to time)--granted I have limited experience with any girls over 22ish.

Chad is just a term for a man that is a woman's top choice for sex. You possibly haven't run into him because he's a rare top 1% man (true SuperChad).

Attraction is not a choice for either men or women. However, Men's standards for sex are much lower than women. Women have much higher standards when it comes to genuine validational sex (looks, money, status, Game etc).
A girl has her peak SMV from 18-25. She's not going to settle in the open market at that age. She's in her party years and has access to all the Chads (as long as she's thin). These are the years that she'll develop 1000 c0ck stare too - jaded and unable to pair-bond.

Again, I think you're confusing social pressure with nature. When that social pressure is removed, you get a very different picture. And you have to ask why that social pressure existed in the first place.

Why have women evolved a hymen? Are hymen's "social pressure"? Are massive oxytocin releases when a woman has sex "social pressure"?
Again, the real social pressure is actually encouraging women to be slvts. Ever heard of the term "slvt shaming"?
Other social pressures include easy abortions, hormonal birth control and shaming motherhood.

The Coolidge Effect is also a well-known phenomena--most of the chemical ****tail that results in monogamy lasts 2-5 years (used to know a more exact figure), just long enough for the child to walk... In the past, most people didn't live past their early thirties.

That said, there are major evolutionary advantage to dual parental investment. I'd say overall humans walk the line between r/K selection--with evolutionary traits of both tournament and pair-bonded species--and that behavior often manifests itself in a single person over the course of the lifetime, though members of both sexes swing one way or the other.

The mother then bonds with the child. If a child isn't produced then the c0cktail wears off. This evolved so that women didn't pair-bond with sterile men. When a woman gives birth then a new massive dose of oxytocin is released so she'll bond with her baby.

Women are designed by evolution to continuously get pregnant up until her late 20's, early-30's.

Answers in bold again.

You've got your notions about social conditioning of women completely back-to-front.

 

[zekko]

For any guy who's got experience with women, he knows that sex is a deeply emotional thing for a women, and it's deeply psychological for her - it's not just about the P in V.

I've had many women tell me that after they have sex with a man they become emotionally attached to him. I don't think that was a lie, but there's also another set of women who obviously can completely separate sex from emotion - wh0res, slvts, escorts, and the like. We're either talking about two different types of women here, or two different types of experiences.

 

[fastlife]

Answers in bold again.

You've got your notions about social conditioning of women completely back-to-front.

Right, I’m familiar with the theory. But I’ve also gone out to the college bars just about every weekend, for the past 5 years (I’ve slowed down a little—was probably logging 4 nights a week the first couple years). I worked in the nightlife for 2 years before that.

Every guy here is can go out there and try it for themselves: next time you have a girl interested, act like sex isn’t a big deal, talk about it openly, tell girls they’re too innocent for you probably only does missionary, push for that night, tell them if she catches feelings you’ll never talk to her again. Only text her to hangout. Don’t act like a bf. Tell us if she tries to lock you down or if she’s 100% happy just having a cool guy to hangout with. Go specifically for “good girls” that seem innocent. Talk to her about her past and her view on relationships, talk to her about her friend’s relationships, and tell us what you find. Talk to her about the guys who slide into her DMs. Try this with girls who are in relationships with solid dudes. Do this until you drop the idea that, if women wanted anything differently in their prime than to have fun with a variety of guys, that’s what they’d be doing.

 

[Pan87]

Right, I’m familiar with the theory. But I’ve also gone out to the college bars just about every weekend, for the past 5 years (I’ve slowed down a little—was probably logging 4 nights a week the first couple years). I worked in the nightlife for 2 years before that.

Every guy here is can go out there and try it for themselves: next time you have a girl interested, act like sex isn’t a big deal, talk about it openly, tell girls they’re too innocent for you probably only does missionary, push for that night, tell them if she catches feelings you’ll never talk to her again. Only text her to hangout. Don’t act like a bf. Tell us if she tries to lock you down or if she’s 100% happy just having a cool guy to hangout with. Go specifically for “good girls” that seem innocent. Talk to her about her past and her view on relationships, talk to her about her friend’s relationships, and tell us what you find. Talk to her about the guys who slide into her DMs. Try this with girls who are in relationships with solid dudes. Do this until you drop the idea that, if women wanted anything differently in their prime than to have fun with a variety of guys, that’s what they’d be doing.

Acting like "sex isn't a big deal" is called pre-selection. You're acting like a dude who gets laid and has abundance. Women want a man that other women desire. Social proofing is pretty much everything. Women are terrified of partnering with a man who's not loved by the world (the tribe). You can emulate Chad behaviors and get a woman attracted. That's what Game is all about.

She's not pushing to "settle down" when she's 21 because she's still playing at the Chad Casino and knows she might lock down a billionaire if she plays her card right. It's still all about chasing the Best Deal and she will milk her youth and beauty for all it's worth - this is hypergamy.

Women are the Selectors. A metaphor could be if you took a woman to a supermarket that had a million different bottles of perfume. She's be paralysed by choice and would spends years browsing the different perfumes to make sure she got the best scent.

Women and Men experience sex completely differently. It's not an opinion, it's a RedPill fact. Projecting Male Horniness onto Women and imagining that they experience sex in the same way men do is just projection.

 

[Pan87]

I've had many women tell me that after they have sex with a man they become emotionally attached to him. I don't think that was a lie, but there's also another set of women who obviously can completely separate sex from emotion - wh0res, slvts, escorts, and the like. We're either talking about two different types of women here, or two different types of experiences.

Wh0res, slvts and escorts have what we call the 1000 c0ck stare. They have lost their bonding glue and are "fallen" women. It's not a judgement - women can choose whatever life they want for themselves. However, it's pretty well known that high notch women are deeply unhappy.

 

[bat soup]

So Austria Dik ( a redpill YouTube) claims that sex holds very little significance to a women. Giving her body away is equal to an elbow massage or hand shake. I would disagree. I would say that most women start off viewing sex as special. What happens is after that first guy who Alpha widows them, then they disconnect love from sex. This is the definition of a whure. A women who has completely disconnected love from sex.

I may be wrong though because I had a convo with my cousins. This was years ago. I was advising them to not be whures. I told them that the first guy is special. One told me that she didn't feel any type of special connection with the first guy. She just wanted to get it over with to finally experience sex. Now she a hoe to high status men/ rich men.

I have my viewpoint is because I grew up in an era where the older guys told me that after sex you have the girls heart. My old heads and my dad told me to not abuse her emotions after sleeping with her. Dad said before sex she has the power, after sex you do. That may just have been late 90's blue pill conditioning though.

I've come to realise that women don't attach the same importance to sex that men do. It's like water to them - you just turn on a tap and it's there. For men, having sex with a hot girl feels like an achievement and confirmation of their masculinity in addition to the physical pleasure. For women, it's often the opposite and there's a feeling of shame involved.

Plus, there is also the passive nature of women and their passive role in sex. Essentially all they have to do is hold still.

 

[christie]

The idea of an alpha widow is another male ego-driven fantasy. Sure, it has its basis in reality--plenty of women get hung up their exes--but IME most of those women are low self-esteem, have emotional issues going back to childhood, and are using that idealized man who did her wrong to manipulate her new target into betaizing himself, manipulate the old lover into investing (people invest when they feel special), and to garner social sympathy. HSE high value people of both genders get over their exes--the inability to do so completely would be a major evolutionary disadvantage unless they just didn't have any other options.

Man, I appreciate this honesty. I recognise this and it helps me to identify how I can change the way I refer to an ex.


I think its key to hold back info when speaking of an ex. I've been honest without tact and that's attractive to noone.



The running list I have so far when meeting someone new in non-forum life.

*I will not divulge my age(its the first thing guys describe and pigeonhole you with)

*I will not divulge my sexual notch count(again, 11 will be deemed a wrong number)

*I will not speak about an exboyfriend past a playful, respectful joke or two.

*I will not display any masculine traits or characteristics.(I will not admit I work, what I do or have done nor speak of money at all; I will not admit knowing importance of red pill and selfdevelopment, ever. It will be obvious in my actions that I know my role; I will not treat a man like a buddy I compete with or spar for power comeuppance in my romantic life anymore....only feminine, supportive, cooperative at all times)



This is the list I have so far after 10 straight months on sosuave.

 

[Bigpapa]

Man, I appreciate this honesty. I recognise this and it helps me to identify how I can change the way I refer to an ex.


I think its key to hold back info when speaking of an ex. I've been honest without tact and that's attractive to noone.



The running list I have so far when meeting someone new in non-forum life.

*I will not divulge my age(its the first thing guys describe and pigeonhole you with)

*I will not divulge my sexual notch count(again, 11 will be deemed a wrong number)

*I will not speak about an exboyfriend past a playful, respectful joke or two.

*I will not display any masculine traits or characteristics.(I will not admit I work, what I do or have done nor speak of money at all; I will not admit knowing importance of red pill and selfdevelopment, ever. It will be obvious in my actions that I know my role; I will not treat a man like a buddy I compete with or spar for power comeuppance in my romantic life anymore....only feminine, supportive, cooperative at all times)



This is the list I have so far after 10 straight months on sosuave.

it is not about that you 11 notch is too high , it is about that guys want to bond with someone that he can have a healthy relationship with , through good times and bad times

 

[samspade]

The question isn't whether men and women experience sex differently. It was "is it sacred" to women at any point?

The question on its own, coming from a male, says a lot about how many men view sex and how they think women should view it.

You can use a biological explanation to rationalize any behavior or underlying emotion, but it only tells a portion of the story. Our brains and hormones have evolved several times over. For certain, no other animal has evolved its own hamster wheel regarding the opposite sex.

 

[christie]

it is not about that you 11 notch is too high , it is about that guys want to bond with someone that he can have a healthy relationship with , through good times and bad times

You're right.

Still, best to keep previous bedroom experience talk to myself--there's zero benefit to myself for being that honest to a man-------------------there is no participation trophies to be handed out, not joking.

 

[Bigpapa]

You're right.

Still, best to keep previous bedroom experience talk to myself--there's zero benefit to myself for being that honest to a man-------------------there is no participation trophies to be handed out, not joking.

well you have to think more about the future , like for example if you really like the guy you will start a relationship based on lies , which is not the best start

btw I would really appreciate a woman thought about something , will send you a dm