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Is sex sacred to women at any point?

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So Austria Dik ( a redpill YouTube) claims that sex holds very little significance to a women. Giving her body away is equal to an elbow massage or hand shake. I would disagree. I would say that most women start off viewing sex as special. What happens is after that first guy who Alpha widows them, then they disconnect love from sex. This is the definition of a whure. A women who has completely disconnected love from sex.

I may be wrong though because I had a convo with my cousins. This was years ago. I was advising them to not be whures. I told them that the first guy is special. One told me that she didn't feel any type of special connection with the first guy. She just wanted to get it over with to finally experience sex. Now she a hoe to high status men/ rich men.

I have my viewpoint is because I grew up in an era where the older guys told me that after sex you have the girls heart. My old heads and my dad told me to not abuse her emotions after sleeping with her. Dad said before sex she has the power, after sex you do. That may just have been late 90's blue pill conditioning though.
 

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Yeah, there also this notion in some parts of the DJ community that women love sex just as much, if not more, than men.

I find it quite ridiculous. For any guy who's got experience with women, he knows that sex is a deeply emotional thing for a women, and it's deeply psychological for her - it's not just about the P in V. Woman can quite easily go without sex. Yes, the right man can stimulate horniness in them, but the notion that women love sex as much as men is a pure male wanksock fantasy.

Sex for women is primarily a means to an end, which is securing a high value male. Sex for men is usually just an end in itself.

A common, private lament of sexually liberated feminists who celebrate the c0ck carousel lifestyle is that casual sex hurts them, and that it's unfair that men are not hurt by casual sex. Women get feelz from sex, and each guy that pumps and dumps her is a tax on her soul.

The feeling of "horniness" is primarily driven by testosterone. Obviously, females have far less testosterone than men. Any man who has low testosterone can attest to having a lowered libido, higher emotionality and mood swings, and desiring cuddles over sex.
 

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Trying to find something general that applies to women is futile. Some women view sex as special connected to love. Some women lose that view after being hurt by some a-hole. Some women never had that view to begin with. To some women sex is important, to others not so much.

Some men view sex as special connected to love. Some men lose that view after being hurt by some b!tch. Some men never had that view to begin with. To most men sex is important, to a few not so much.

Only difference I see is that men are more addicted to sex and willing to accept more sh!t to get it. Doesn't mean women value sex less, perhaps they just value the quality of said sex more.

Either way, generalizing is unhelpful and doesn't reflect reality. Recognizing significant differences within a group (who shares one or few major attributes i.e. being female) and compartmentalizing it into more detailed subcategories is more useful and intelligent.
 

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Why should it be "sacred"? Unless we're talking Catholicism.

I agree with both the responses here, first of all. Good answers.

But the "value" a woman (or anyone) places in sex is bound to be relative to how, where, when, and with whom she had it.

For instance, the cousin who lost her virginity to get it over with has a perfectly plausible opinion on that, because way too much emphasis is placed on "the first time."

I can't speak for women but I'd guess they place great value in the sex they have with high value men (that is, men they found highly attractive). Whereas a woman could sleep with an executive and get a promotion out of it, and she might think it was worth the trouble for the better job, but she wouldn't necessarily say that the sex itself was anything special.

Likewise a woman might remember well a fantastic weekend of sex in a nice hotel on a beach with a great guy, but she might not "count" a drunken fukk with some douche that she regretted.

I really don't think it's much different for men, except that as @Pan87 noted, our T levels are higher and more consistent (we're "ready to go" whenever), and a woman always has the smorgasbord available to her, for better or worse. Put yourself in a woman's shoes and think about that. Biologically it makes them pickier, but I don't think it's realistic to expect women to treat sex like a sacrament.
 

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I knew baptist women who were verified virgins until their 20's as it was sacred to them.
 

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Well it is true that women enjoy sex as much as guys do , but in the same time since sex is always on the plate for them they can choose to be picky about it . For this reason , they see sex more than just sex and a lot of women are quite careful about this .

They will not just go and **** everyone out there , even though there are cases that are doing so

I found this article quite good

 

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Statistically, the earlier a man or woman engages in Sex, the more they will enjoy it and accommodate it into their schedule in a more priority way.
 

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Why should it be "sacred"? Unless we're talking Catholicism.

I agree with both the responses here, first of all. Good answers.

But the "value" a woman (or anyone) places in sex is bound to be relative to how, where, when, and with whom she had it.

For instance, the cousin who lost her virginity to get it over with has a perfectly plausible opinion on that, because way too much emphasis is placed on "the first time."

I can't speak for women but I'd guess they place great value in the sex they have with high value men (that is, men they found highly attractive). Whereas a woman could sleep with an executive and get a promotion out of it, and she might think it was worth the trouble for the better job, but she wouldn't necessarily say that the sex itself was anything special.

Likewise a woman might remember well a fantastic weekend of sex in a nice hotel on a beach with a great guy, but she might not "count" a drunken fukk with some douche that she regretted.

I really don't think it's much different for men, except that as @Pan87 noted, our T levels are higher and more consistent (we're "ready to go" whenever), and a woman always has the smorgasbord available to her, for better or worse. Put yourself in a woman's shoes and think about that. Biologically it makes them pickier, but I don't think it's realistic to expect women to treat sex like a sacrament.
The "cost of sex" in evolution-speak is much higher for women. Women have evolved to be less driven by "horniness" and more driven by male-value. A high value male is what makes a woman "horny".

Sperm is cheap, eggs are expensive. The male drive is for "spreading the seed", the female drive is for selecting the right seed so she's not burdened by pregnancy with inferior offspring.

The existential fear for women is getting tricked and impregnated by an inferior man (which is why they've evolved to sh!t test men). The existential fear for a man is not getting laid at all.

You can note male/female sex preferences by the porno they typically consume - Female erotica is often storyline-based, and often in a literature format. Male erotica is mostly just watching the P go in the V.
For women sex is mainly psychological/fantasy/emotional, for men it's about directly stimulating their penis in a female's wet hole.

You can talk about the outliers - horny women who love casual sex, and men who love to cuddle. But the trends are mostly as described above.
 

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So Austria Dik ( a redpill YouTube) claims that sex holds very little significance to a women. Giving her body away is equal to an elbow massage or hand shake. I would disagree. I would say that most women start off viewing sex as special. What happens is after that first guy who Alpha widows them, then they disconnect love from sex. This is the definition of a whure. A women who has completely disconnected love from sex.

I may be wrong though because I had a convo with my cousins. This was years ago. I was advising them to not be whures. I told them that the first guy is special. One told me that she didn't feel any type of special connection with the first guy. She just wanted to get it over with to finally experience sex. Now she a hoe to high status men/ rich men.

I have my viewpoint is because I grew up in an era where the older guys told me that after sex you have the girls heart. My old heads and my dad told me to not abuse her emotions after sleeping with her. Dad said before sex she has the power, after sex you do. That may just have been late 90's blue pill conditioning though.
Depends on her nature prior to sex. It loses its significance fast for all, but some pair bond first and then react severely to the jadedness of that bond being broken. Others never bond to begin with.
 

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The "cost of sex" in evolution-speak is much higher for women. Women have evolved to be less driven by "horniness" and more driven by male-value. A high value male is what makes a woman "horny".

Sperm is cheap, eggs are expensive. The male drive is for "spreading the seed", the female drive is for selecting the right seed so she's not burdened by pregnancy with inferior offspring.

The existential fear for women is getting tricked and impregnated by an inferior man (which is why they've evolved to sh!t test men). The existential fear for a man is not getting laid at all.

You can note male/female sex preferences by the porno they typically consume - Female erotica is often storyline-based, and often in a literature format. Male erotica is mostly just watching the P go in the V.
For women sex is mainly psychological/fantasy/emotional, for men it's about directly stimulating their penis in a female's wet hole.

You can talk about the outliers - horny women who love casual sex, and men who love to cuddle. But the trends are mostly as described above.
All true.

I think the pitfall is when guys start assigning roles to women. "Wh0re," "Alpha Widow," "Quality Woman," etc. Men, even (or especially?) red pilled men, seem to want to project a narrative onto a girl. I've fallen into the trap myself. I'm speaking for myself here, and to the OP in this case.

Don't get me wrong. If I'm privy to her past and it doesn't sit well, I'll stay true to my standards. But I make sure that it's my inner self and not my ego making the decision. A woman with a higher than normal notch count won't necessarily be "disconnected" from sex and love, and a sweet little angel can go out and get railed in a ONS and tell no one, not even her BFF. And as far as drive, there's just no stopping adolescent/young adult female sexuality. It's not the 24/7 horniess of a teen guy, but I think men underestimate it as a force of nature.

Anyway I think for most guys here that when a woman gives up her body to you, it's a special thing. Most Sosuavers know how to make her feel special, so she probably likes you. (As opposed to fukking for trade or pity or something.) So, I take it for what it is and appreciate it since it's usually mutual. Whenever I see alpha widow/slvt talk (always post facto) it's because they missed some red flag or their game slipped or the ego just needs soothing. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing in the moment, but I don't think it's healthy to dwell on that stuff.
 

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It has more significance for them because they don't want to give it to any guy. They want to give it the " special " guy. That's just a high value male nothing more. Not a fcking prince on a horse or a romantic beta. Just a high value male. Could be some alpha bad boy or some high status mature man.
They are the selective sex that's why they say sex is special/sacred.
 

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And i would add that women use this argument to string along the beta chump when it comes to sex. They dont wanna give it up so quickly because they are not aroused by him + the argument " sex is sacred for me, i only sleep with the special one" makes the chump believe that the girl is a fcking unicorn with a low notch count :D
 

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And i would add that women use this argument to string along the beta chump when it comes to sex. They dont wanna give it up so quickly because they are not aroused by him + the argument " sex is sacred for me, i only sleep with the special one" makes the chump believe that the girl is a fcking unicorn with a low notch count :D
that is why it is very important to go for sex first ,and After that for a relationship , otherwise you will miss a lot of red flags ( because you are horny and want to have sex with her )

basically not escalating to sex As fast as possible is shooting your self in the foot
 

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I would say that most women start off viewing sex as special.
It depends what age they are in their lives. If they are 16, they are in love and it’s special. If they are 34, they are practical and it’s about getting pregnant quickly.

Everything a woman does depends on her priorities at the time.

I have my viewpoint is because I grew up in an era where the older guys told me that after sex you have the girls heart. My old heads and my dad told me to not abuse her emotions after sleeping with her. Dad said before sex she has the power, after sex you do. That may just have been late 90's blue pill conditioning though.
Its NEVER about capturing their heart or having power. For a girl, it’s ALL about use. Some of the hot girls I’ve had sex with turned out to be the most manipulative, sneaky, tricky, underhanded people you’ll ever meet. Why? Because I was no longer USEFUL to them. When a man is no longer useful for a girl, the games begin in full force, even after sex.

A woman will get turned on and have sex with an alpha man and a beta man.

a) Sex with an alpha man comes from a primitive sexual desirous place, she gives it to him because of her basic instincts.

b) Sex with the beta man comes from a purely transactional place, she gives it to him in exchange for his resources.

Men, you always want to be (a), never aim to be (b)
 

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It depends what age they are in their lives. If they are 16, they are in love and it’s special. If they are 34, they are practical and it’s about getting pregnant quickly.

Everything a woman does depends on her priorities at the time.



Its NEVER about capturing their heart or having power. For a girl, it’s ALL about use. Some of the hot girls I’ve had sex with turned out to be the most manipulative, sneaky, tricky, underhanded people you’ll ever meet. Why? Because I was no longer USEFUL to them. When a man is no longer useful for a girl, the games begin in full force, even after sex.

A woman will get turned on and have sex with an alpha man and a beta man.

a) Sex with an alpha man comes from a primitive sexual desirous place, she gives it to him because of her basic instincts.

b) Sex with the beta man comes from a purely transactional place, she gives it to him in exchange for his resources.

Men, you always want to be (a), never aim to be (b)
Yeh....i like this post. Good way to clarify things. The man that has a.) and b.) qualities is a demi god. Some would argue that it is better to be b.) Beta guy. They say its more reliable. I dont have money so I rely on a.) but as my looks fade it will get harder to do.

Like Lil Wayne said " why give a bytch ya heart when she rather have a purse".
 

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For any guy who's got experience with women, he knows that sex is a deeply emotional thing for a women, and it's deeply psychological for her - it's not just about the P in V.
100% disagree. There are two sides to every woman—the PR version that needs to have security and emotional investment and a special connection before and after sex and the side of her that will have depraved NSA sex with no investment and no connection. Just two different responses to different sets of emotional triggers. Solipsism ensures that these two competing drives can exist in the same woman without her suffering from cognitive dissonance—both sides are honest in that moment.

Woman can quite easily go without sex.
But they don’t. The PR version just pretends this is the case. I’d wager that, on average, women have far more sex—both in terms of partners and frequency—than 99% of men.

Sex for women is primarily a means to an end, which is securing a high value male. Sex for men is usually just an end in itself.
Except that women will have sex with you much more quickly when she knows you won’t commit and when she knows you aren’t bf material. Two competing drives.

A common, private lament of sexually liberated feminists who celebrate the c0ck carousel lifestyle is that casual sex hurts them, and that it's unfair that men are not hurt by casual sex.
Only when they don’t get what they want. Just another way of playing the victim. But if you gave them a chance to do it over, they’d make the exact same decisions as they did the first time around—attraction is not a choice.

each guy that pumps and dumps her is a tax on her soul.
Lol. Pure male fantasy to perpetuate the Madonna/Wh0re fallacy—just two sides of the same coin. Different girls have different levels of inhibition and fear of judgement and different social influences, but overall it all comes down to the kind of man you are. If you’re 100% comfortable about sex and nonjudgmental, you’ll see a very different side of women from the rest of the world. The women in your life will attach as much meaning to sex as you do.
 

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100% disagree. There are two sides to every woman—the PR version that needs to have security and emotional investment and a special connection before and after sex and the side of her that will have depraved NSA sex with no investment and no connection. Just two different responses to different sets of emotional triggers. Solipsism ensures that these two competing drives can exist in the same woman without her suffering from cognitive dissonance—both sides are honest in that moment.

You are describing alpha fux/beta bux - dualistic female mating strategy. The truth is that woman ideally wants these 2 needs met in 1 man, but that's very hard to find. The alpha is too abundant to commit, and the beta is too beta to provide alpha tingles. A woman's ideal fantasy is to secure an Alpha who commits to her, but this is nearly impossible - nature is cruel. So she'll take the alpha seed, and get a beta to raise the brat. It's not what she really wants to do, but it's how she manages the problem.

But they don’t. The PR version just pretends this is the case. I’d wager that, on average, women have far more sex—both in terms of partners and frequency—than 99% of men.

She'll have lots of sex with Chads in the hope that she can secure one. Woman have more sex because they can, but the drive isn't for sex. She's hoping she'll find a high-value man to commit to her. It's in her biology.

Women may get more sex than 99% of men, but the 1% Chads get far more sex than 99% of women.



Except that women will have sex with you much more quickly when she knows you won’t commit and when she knows you aren’t bf material. Two competing drives.

Women have sex with aloof, non-committal men because it communicates "Abundance and high value" - A woman breaks rules and has fast sex with Chad because women are turned on by male value (but it's self-defeating because he won't commit to her, and this is her ultimate goal).

She'll let the Beta take her on a thousand sexless dinner dates for the free meals. "BF Material" is woman-speak for Beta scarcity mindset. Only scarce guys want relationships.



Only when they don’t get what they want. Just another way of playing the victim. But if you gave them a chance to do it over, they’d make the exact same decisions as they did the first time around—attraction is not a choice.

Woman will play at the Chad Casino and try and cash in her chips with the highest value man she can. When the lights go out and she hits the wall, of course she'll complain because she didn't cash-in and now she's a used-up broad with an 1000 c0ck stare. But if you turn back the clock and give the woman a fresh stack of chips then of course she'll play again in the hopes of hitting the jackpot (a high value Chad who'll commit to her).

Lol. Pure male fantasy to perpetuate the Madonna/Wh0re fallacy—just two sides of the same coin. Different girls have different levels of inhibition and fear of judgement and different social influences, but overall it all comes down to the kind of man you are. If you’re 100% comfortable about sex and nonjudgmental, you’ll see a very different side of women from the rest of the world. The women in your life will attach as much meaning to sex as you do.

The biggest insult you can through at a woman is "slvt" - if women just wanted sex for fun, then this wouldn't trigger her. Call a man a "slvt" and he'd just smirk and wink at you.

It's pretty well-known fact that the more sexual partners a woman has, the more difficulty she has pair-bonding. It's like taking your first hit of heroin. The next hits just ain't the same. That's why virgins were highly prized in history - They bonded. Ever heard the term "You can't turn a wh0re into a housewife?" It happens to be true.
Once a woman starts upping her notches then her Hypergamy death spiral kicks in and she keeps chasing the bigger, better deal until she hits the wall.
Interesting responses. You have my attention ;)

I've responded to each of your responses in bold above.
 
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Interesting responses. You have my attention ;) I've respond to each of your responses in bold above.
this is why how many partners she had before is quite important if you want to gauge If she is girlfriend material or not :)

the only way for her to be somehow sincere about this is after you had sex for the first time ,without giving a boyfriend material vibe or perceiving you judgemental

each additional guy that a woman has sex with is raising her infidelity risk for future guys , and the more she starts separating sex from love .

basically , the more partners a woman has the less it starts to be something sacred for her , till the point where she just sees sex just as pleasure ( like guys do )

sure , you will always have outliers , but usually this is how it goes for most women .

I recently met with the girl that I lost my virginity with ( she was a virgin too ) . I was quite shocked to see how she changed since how I remembered her , as she added more partners :)
 
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this is why how many partners she had before is quite important if you want to gauge If she is girlfriend material or not :)

the only way for her to be somehow sincere about this is after you had sex for the first time ,without giving a boyfriend material vibe or perceiving you judgemental

each additional guy that a woman has sex with is raising her infidelity risk for future guys , and the more she starts separating sex from love .

basically , the more partners a woman has the less it starts to be something sacred for her , till the point where she just sees sex just as pleasure ( like guys do )

sure , you will always have outliers , but usually this is how it goes for most women .

I recently met with the girl that I lost my virginity with ( she was a virgin too ) . I was quite shocked to see how she changed since how I remembered her , as she added more partners :)
After the additional partners she likely became hard to be around. It's something about the energy.
 
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