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Maybe, if the beta lion was just trying to bang her. I was thinking more of a case where a guy came up, punched her in her face, and stole her purse. But like catsmeow pointed out, there's also the territorial aspect. A guy trying to pick up your girl under your nose is being disrespectful to YOU. You can laugh at him or punch him in the nose, people react differently to these types of things.
Good points...
If the guy is coming at your girl then it’s not her fault , unless she asked for it somehow.
How would you handle a guy tryna pick up a girl under your nose?
All women are different with this situation , some would rather handle the situation themselves
Example : if a guy approached your girl while you were in the restroom,she would rather just shut him down , and try to discourage him as much as she can .
but obviously, if he tried to lock her up or flirt with her openly in your face this is a challenge and it’s not uncommon
I think she would expect you to do something of the other male wasn’t so discreet.

no doubt ,If someone wants to rob your girl or do physical harm to her, you have no business with her if you cannot physically protect her.
 

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I think maybe it's more about being "territorial" than "jealous."

One of my ex boyfriends actually explained this to me - about territorial rights. He was constantly getting into brawls at bars with guys who would make comments to me, or to him. He wasn't jealous per se, he trusted me and he knew I would take a bullet for him if it ever came to that (and vice versa). He was also an extremely good looking man with lots going for him in his own right (owned a business, a home etc).

It was more about protecting my honor, my virtue, and he also felt it was disrespectful to HIM.

I was quite young at the time and interpreted all this as him being caring, loving and yes protective.

Now that I am a bit older, this "mate guarding" stuff doesn't move me much. I don't need protection from the "big bad wolves" when I am out and about, either alone or with a boyfriend.

He has nothing to prove to me (or himself) by behaving this way, I am not a feminist or anything like that but I know how to take of myself and I conduct myself in such a way that I don't invite such egregious attention anyway, like I don't frequent bars much or other venues where men are drunk and/or I need to fear them or my boyfriend needs to "protect" me from them. It's just not my scene.

If we were in a dangerous situation, like a fire for example, yes I would hope he would be able to take care of the situation.

I would do MY part as well.
it seems like you and @zekko
Agree that there is a difference between jealousy and territorial rights.
I always thought they were kinda the same.

You have some solid points cat
But like you said ,at certain points it’s not about you every time.
Sometimes the guy making comments to you or him is more disrespectful to the guy involved If that’s the case , then it’s on him to handle it.
it’s not really protecting you it’s more protecting his own manhood and honor.

the fire incident you mentioned and the robbing scenario that Zekko mentioned , is a type of masculinity that most women say they “trust “
Meaning they trust you with their life, they feel safe around you.

if dudes are being obnoxious(by definition) towards us both on a date ,and I sit back and do nothing.
wouldnt that make you trust me less in a life or death situation?
I’d rather say something to let you know that I’m that guy , and I don’t tolerate disrespect towards you or me.

I think it’s cool tho that you don’t like bars or clubs , that’s not really a good environment to put yourself into if you’re in a committed relationship , IMO. Maybe once in a while to have fun would be ok
main reason I say that is because alcohol is involved.
It’s definitely not the scene

The problem with the analogy is that humans aren't lions. THe only real similarity is some similar anatomy through the fact they are both mammals. As higher primates much more goes into banging someone than a simple "you have a vagina so I will sleep with you." With humans, it is a conscious decision backed up by a thought process to reach that point by both parties. For the lions, the male lion is only following instinct and the female must supplicate due to her inferior size and strength. There is no such thing as "jealousy" between two male lions -- just a matter of instinctual territory when it comes to breeding.
yes , you’re right.
those are wild animals that are governed by the law of the jungle ,so they are more ruthless
But it’s still similar to humans ,the woman usually goes with the dominant male , how do we define a line between jealousy and territorial rights?
 

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Maybe, if the beta lion was just trying to bang her. I was thinking more of a case where a guy came up, punched her in her face, and stole her purse. But like catsmeow pointed out, there's also the territorial aspect. A guy trying to pick up your girl under your nose is being disrespectful to YOU. You can laugh at him or punch him in the nose, people react differently to these types of things.
@zekko, maybe you can tell more about this.
 

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Good points...
If the guy is coming at your girl then it’s not her fault , unless she asked for it somehow.
How would you handle a guy tryna pick up a girl under your nose?
All women are different with this situation , some would rather handle the situation themselves
Example : if a guy approached your girl while you were in the restroom,she would rather just shut him down , and try to discourage him as much as she can .
but obviously, if he tried to lock her up or flirt with her openly in your face this is a challenge and it’s not uncommon
I think she would expect you to do something of the other male wasn’t so discreet.

no doubt ,If someone wants to rob your girl or do physical harm to her, you have no business with her if you cannot physically protect her.
Before women got internet attention. Respectable women would easily shuck the guy by herself by saying and showing "i'm with him" and standing with you in solidarity. It's a triangulation and the outside guy has no recourse other than backing off. Any woman who would side with the outside flirter, men had enough natural self respect to be done with her then and there.

Obviously if he got aggressive or tried to attack her or something you as a man would naturally step in.
 

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I have only read the first two pages of this thread, and the last, so perhaps I’m going to say something that was already covered.

When you’re out with a woman who becomes obsessed with other men, that’s a clear yellow flag. It’s a problem, 100%.

What’s throwing a lot of people off here is the word, “lustfully”. Each person’s personal definition of that word colors his or her response to the OP.

Some women, while out with their man, become irresistibly fascinated by other men while they are out and about together. These women will find themselves constantly looking over at that other man because they have developed an emotional attachment, a fascination. That man over there becomes the focal point of her evening, eclipsing everything.

Men will often describe that as “lust”, because men will usually look at other women on a surface, physical level. However, women usually look not only at the physical, but their minds start filling in the blanks and they end up developing an entire imaginary dossier on the guy. It becomes a fascination.

Women today are incredibly blind to their own lack of social propriety. If you call them out on repeatedly gazing at a particular man while you are both out together, they will be flabbergasted and vehemently deny, even though they are factually in the wrong and behaving rudely with their man, and insulting both him and their established relationship.

If anyone has a woman like that, I feel sorry for him. There is no cure. She will not be reasoned with, snd she will blame you for being “insecure”. Women today are a horror show of impropriety.

There is only one hope for correction of a woman like this. It’s a Hail Mary pass, but it can work. Tell her to get up, walk with her over to the subject of her fascination, and tell him that she has been looking at him all night, and you thought it would be appropriate to introduce her to you. Then say “This is Name. And you are…?”
If your relationship survives her initial embarrassment and anger, she will likely develop the wherewithal to control her roving eye in the future.

A woman of class resists constantly looking at other men out of respect for her man. Nothing less is acceptable. If my wife did this on the regular, I would have booted her a long time ago.

Burping is a natural human function, but out of politeness and respect we don’t just burp right out loud every time the urge comes. We do it silently snd appropriately so as not to offend. There is a parallel here. If women can exercise social graces regarding burping, they certainly should be able to do the same with controlling their wandering eyes when out on a date with their man. They are not just looking. They are constructing a story about him. They are investing emotionally. They would swear up and down this isn’t true, but it is.
 

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I have only read the first two pages of this thread, and the last, so perhaps I’m going to say something that was already covered.

When you’re out with a woman who becomes obsessed with other men, that’s a clear yellow flag. It’s a problem, 100%.

What’s throwing a lot of people off here is the word, “lustfully”. Each person’s personal definition of that word colors his or her response to the OP.

Some women, while out with their man, become irresistibly fascinated by other men while they are out and about together. These women will find themselves constantly looking over at that other man because they have developed an emotional attachment, a fascination. That man over there becomes the focal point of her evening, eclipsing everything.

Men will often describe that as “lust”, because men will usually look at other women on a surface, physical level. However, women usually look not only at the physical, but their minds start filling in the blanks and they end up developing an entire imaginary dossier on the guy. It becomes a fascination.

Women today are incredibly blind to their own lack of social propriety. If you call them out on repeatedly gazing at a particular man while you are both out together, they will be flabbergasted and vehemently deny, even though they are factually in the wrong and behaving rudely with their man, and insulting both him and their established relationship.

If anyone has a woman like that, I feel sorry for him. There is no cure. She will not be reasoned with, snd she will blame you for being “insecure”. Women today are a horror show of impropriety.

There is only one hope for correction of a woman like this. It’s a Hail Mary pass, but it can work. Tell her to get up, walk with her over to the subject of her fascination, and tell him that she has been looking at him all night, and you thought it would be appropriate to introduce her to you. Then say “This is Name. And you are…?”
If your relationship survives her initial embarrassment and anger, she will likely develop the wherewithal to control her roving eye in the future.

A woman of class resists constantly looking at other men out of respect for her man. Nothing less is acceptable. If my wife did this on the regular, I would have booted her a long time ago.

Burping is a natural human function, but out of politeness and respect we don’t just burp right out loud every time the urge comes. We do it silently snd appropriately so as not to offend. There is a parallel here. If women can exercise social graces regarding burping, they certainly should be able to do the same with controlling their wandering eyes when out on a date with their man. They are not just looking. They are constructing a story about him. They are investing emotionally. They would swear up and down this isn’t true, but it is.
Some of them done that bull to intentionally ding you. Its overplayed on her behalf.
 

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If dudes are being obnoxious(by definition) towards us both on a date ,and I sit back and do nothing.
wouldnt that make you trust me less in a life or death situation?
I’d rather say something to let you know that I’m that guy , and I don’t tolerate disrespect towards you or me.
100% agree @mrskinnypantz. I thought that's what I posted, but perhaps failed to articulate correctly?

That it's about "respect" (or disrespect) for my boyfriend, for me, for us. As opposed to "mate-guarding" or being "protective" of ME in that type of environment (bar/club or just out and about).

I DO need to trust that he can handle things and feel safe. But I don't need him starting bar brawls or aggressively getting in a man's face (like my ex did) unless such man is threatening my life or his life in some form or fashion.

But a rude and/or sexually suggestive comment at a bar or wherever? Nah, I don't need or even want that type of "mate-guarding" or "protection."

Not necessary. Simply say what you suggested indicating you do not tolerate disrespect. Assertively but calmly and rationally.

A man losing his cool in that type of sitch might even turn me off. Might even make me feel "less" safe with him.
 
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Burping is a natural human function, but out of politeness and respect we don’t just burp right out loud every time the urge comes. We do it silently snd appropriately so as not to offend.
*Takes notes furiously*

How would you handle a guy tryna pick up a girl under your nose?
IMO it's the woman's responsibility to rebuff the guy, turn him down in whatever manner she is accustomed. If the guy doesn't get the hint and becomes a pest, or gets physical, then it's time to step in. That might consist of saying something to the guy, escorting the girl out of the venue, or something more direct, it depends on how diplomatic or violent you are. But I really think it's up to the girl to turn him down first. They should be able to do it, they've had practice.
 
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She doesn't get to check out other men, regardless if they are famous or not. If she's "lustfully staring", you should go fvck someone else to punish her misbehavior.
 

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I have only read the first two pages of this thread, and the last, so perhaps I’m going to say something that was already covered.

When you’re out with a woman who becomes obsessed with other men, that’s a clear yellow flag. It’s a problem, 100%.

What’s throwing a lot of people off here is the word, “lustfully”. Each person’s personal definition of that word colors his or her response to the OP.

Some women, while out with their man, become irresistibly fascinated by other men while they are out and about together. These women will find themselves constantly looking over at that other man because they have developed an emotional attachment, a fascination. That man over there becomes the focal point of her evening, eclipsing everything.

Men will often describe that as “lust”, because men will usually look at other women on a surface, physical level. However, women usually look not only at the physical, but their minds start filling in the blanks and they end up developing an entire imaginary dossier on the guy. It becomes a fascination.

Women today are incredibly blind to their own lack of social propriety. If you call them out on repeatedly gazing at a particular man while you are both out together, they will be flabbergasted and vehemently deny, even though they are factually in the wrong and behaving rudely with their man, and insulting both him and their established relationship.

If anyone has a woman like that, I feel sorry for him. There is no cure. She will not be reasoned with, snd she will blame you for being “insecure”. Women today are a horror show of impropriety.

There is only one hope for correction of a woman like this. It’s a Hail Mary pass, but it can work. Tell her to get up, walk with her over to the subject of her fascination, and tell him that she has been looking at him all night, and you thought it would be appropriate to introduce her to you. Then say “This is Name. And you are…?”
If your relationship survives her initial embarrassment and anger, she will likely develop the wherewithal to control her roving eye in the future.

A woman of class resists constantly looking at other men out of respect for her man. Nothing less is acceptable. If my wife did this on the regular, I would have booted her a long time ago.

Burping is a natural human function, but out of politeness and respect we don’t just burp right out loud every time the urge comes. We do it silently snd appropriately so as not to offend. There is a parallel here. If women can exercise social graces regarding burping, they certainly should be able to do the same with controlling their wandering eyes when out on a date with their man. They are not just looking. They are constructing a story about him. They are investing emotionally. They would swear up and down this isn’t true, but it is.
You hammered it home with this one.

I really don’t understand why the words “lustfully staring “ triggered so many people


She doesn't get to check out other men, regardless if they are famous or not
Fvckin right , there is no “pass “ just because he’s famous .
100% agree @mrskinnypantz. I thought that's what I posted, but perhaps failed to articulate correctly?

That it's about "respect" (or disrespect) for my boyfriend, for me, for us. As opposed to "mate-guarding" or being "protective" of ME in that type of environment (bar/club or just out and about).

I DO need to trust that he can handle things and feel safe. But I don't need him starting bar brawls or aggressively getting in a man's face (like my ex did) unless such man is threatening my life or his life in some form or fashion.

But a rude and/or sexually suggestive comment at a bar or wherever? Nah, I don't need or even want that type of "mate-guarding" or "protection."

Not necessary. Simply say what you suggested indicating you do not tolerate disrespect. Assertively but calmly and rationally.

A man losing his cool in that type of sitch might even turn me off. Might even make me feel "less" safe with him.
Nope ,you didn’t fail to articulate anything
The only thing I disagree with is that the main focus still seems to be on YOU.
When it’s not about you, unless you were staring and flirting.
If your dude is dealing with the other guy for disrespecting him , then maybe you should just let him be a man.
“Mate guarding” is when YOU are seeking the extra attention, on that note it makes no sense to mate guard since you are the one asking for it
If it’s the other men coming on to you then it’s not mate guarding it’s called being a man and not letting people think they can just come in and take your sh1t cause they feel like it.
 

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If your dude is dealing with the other guy for disrespecting him , then maybe you should just let him be a man.
If the other men coming on to you then it’s not mate guarding it’s called being a man and not letting people think they can just come in and take your sh1t cause they feel like it.
Oh I always allow my boyfriend to be a man, would never ever interfere with that.

I simply don't equate getting into brawls/physical altercations with being a man. Unless it's to defend my life or his.

I still don't interfere with that when it happened tho, like with my ex. And at the time, I was actually flattered by it.

But now? Words are much more effective imo and as I said, and YOU said, him assertively expressing he doesn't tolerate disrespect = :up: :up:

So we are in agreement - I think.

Edit: I realize some maybe even many women are into that type of aggression, like in the thread about the poster pulling some random guy out of a taxi. Did you read that?

His date was all over him after that and he took her home and banged her. :oops:

Like this from one of my favorite flicks.

 
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Mate guarding” is when YOU are seeking the extra attention, on that note it makes no sense to mate guard since you are the one asking for it
I think I'm realizing now why I had trouble grasping this - "mate guarding" in the context you've described.

I'm not perfect by any stretch but one thing I DON'T do and never did, is seek extra attention (or any attention) from other men while with my boyfriend.

I'm focused on him, on us. Same for him, focused on me, on us.

I'm not invalidating what you guys experience with women, being attention seekers etc, I just can't relate to that type of behavior. I've seen it though so I know it happens.

I actually can't relate to a lot of the female behavior discussed on this forum, like what @Pan87 espouses time and time again. I'm sure you've read so won't repeat.

I have no idea what type of women he attracts but it is so far removed from what attracts me, keeps me around and how I behave and respond, it's sometimes difficult to wrap my brain around.

Again, I know there are women like this tho. It's sad (imo) they are the only type of women he encounters.

But if it works for him, and other men, I s'pose that's all that matters.
 
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I think I'm realizing now why I had trouble grasping this - "mate guarding" in the context you've described.

I'm not perfect by any stretch but one thing I DON'T do and never did, is seek extra attention (or any attention) from other men while with my boyfriend.

I'm focused on him, on us. Same for him, focused on me, on us.

I'm not invalidating what you guys experience with women, being attention seekers etc, I just can't relate to that type of behavior. I've seen it though so I know it happens.

I actually can't relate to a lot of the female behavior discussed on this forum, like what @Pan87 espouses time and time again. I'm sure you've read so won't repeat.

I have no idea what type of women he attracts but it is so far removed from what attracts me, keeps me around and how I behave and respond, it's sometimes difficult to wrap my brain around.

Again, I know there are women like this tho. It's sad (imo) they are the only type of women he encounters.

But if it works for him, and other men, I s'pose that's all that matters.
happens ALL the time. I was the AFC/victim and seen it, now I get it from another woman ALL the time. It's not just a few it's 90%. But if asking them they will swear that either they don't understand the topic or that they don't do it. I don't ask any longer, no point.

self-image and public image can be different, also some of it is just done and not thought about.
 

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**** her good and she won’t stare! Give her the best sex it always works! Simple.
true. that sure cuts all the bull out.

sometimes a guy doesn't or can't, figuring out why and fixing is important instead of accepting.
 

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true. that sure cuts all the bull out.

sometimes a guy doesn't or can't, figuring out why and fixing is important instead of accepting.
It’s really that simple and as a man have style, be masculine and move with confidence. Stay being attractive. Work out. Dress well. Take care of your self.

all of this elements are vital too.

she will take noticed of every detail and be inspired who you aspire to be. She won’t look elsewhere. Just speaking from experience.
 

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It’s really that simple and as a man have style, be masculine and move with confidence. Stay being attractive. Work out. Dress well. Take care of your self.

all of this elements are vital too.

she will take noticed of every detail and be inspired who you aspire to be. She won’t look elsewhere. Just speaking from experience.
I think so, it can be like you tell. It is not natural for all guys, in fact, it is not natural for most guys these days. Add to the threads as you see them and tell how to do it.

things that are not as simple.

1. does the guy know how to do it.
2. can the guy maintain it.
3. is the guy aware of the lone wolf.
4. her cycle and chems.
5. even being number one gets boring.
6. season of life.
 

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@metalwater you have to understand something. Positive happy people are attractive. If they also happen to be physically attractive and warm/engaging? They are massively attractive as well as rare. Everyone wants a partner with those attributes. I cannot change my personality or my positive energy. I like that I have sex appeal. It beats being awkward. I am well aware of the vibe I exude. I manage it and exhibit loyalty because I have character.

This is why character matters. And yes I am perfectly happy to turn away attention from men I might otherwise have interest in. That’s what you do as a partner. I enjoy the man I’m with. Why would I mess that up, disrespect him or betray him? I wouldn’t.

Maybe I’m way off but it seems to me that you might be drinking the kool aid of “Every woman is constantly on the hunt for something better…” that gets tossed around on here.

Now. Many many women are in fact like that. But not all. I am happy to be on my own. In fact it’s preferable to dealing with some sub par guy. I don’t entertain sub par guys. I don’t waste my time like that. If I’m with a man? It’s because I chose him from among those who wanted an opportunity to date me. I’m choosy. So if I’m giving a man my time? It’s because I find him worthy of the investment of my time, which is valuable and which I cannot get back.

So it’s not about whether I am having a blast…(I AM but not for the reasons you imagine, rather because I am internally happy, satisfied with life, full of joy, and positive…)

And this gets back to why I’m magnetic and attractive.

The avatar? That’s me. Recently. I’m fit, athletic, slender & stylish. I have a pretty face. But I’m not the single most beautiful woman on Earth. I know that. But as a total package I’d say I’m a solid 8 across the board. I know this. So if some gorgeous witch comes around? She might be a 10 in looks and or body with a 3 personality and a 6 intelligence and have an entitled attitude. Am I worried? Hell no. I’m solid across the board. Few women are. And so I own it.

And if someone who is genuinely a better option than me comes around? He can go. I’m not worried about all that. Seriously.
In one breath you say not all women are on the hunt for something better,in the next you say you’d rather be alone than with some “subpar” guy.Hmmmm....
Also,ultimately looks trump attitude and personality when men are seeking sexual partners.Men would rather be with a 5 in the personality department if she’s a 10 in the looks department than a 10 in the personality department but a 4 in the looks department.
 

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This is interesting. Awhile back, there was talk on this forum about the three Ps of masculine behavior: Protect, Provide, and Procreate.
Basically these were three things women wanted in men: the ability to protect them, to provide for them, and be good in bed.

Guys here often would denigrate the "Provide" portion as being solely for betas, "BetaBux" and all that. But the "Protect" part was still seen as alpha because it suggested that you were strong, athletic, and capable as a fighter. In recent years however, I notice more guys are sliding the "Protect" portion over to the beta side as well. "If you're willing to protect her, then she will see you as a beta". IMO they are taking this beta stuff to the extreme here, because of course any woman wants to feel safe when she is with her man. There's nothing unsexy about that.
Yes.I think it angers most guys because they can’t match up.So they disqualify them.
 
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