I am hearing that more men are single then ever and they are giving up on dating and women...

[Gamisch]

These struggling men have high standards and imho more unreasonable too. They don’t want to put in the work the make themselves more attractive, they don’t want to put any sweat in finding themselves a female, and they do not want to work on their frames/attitudes to retain the women they manage to get on dates or dates.

It goes both ways, the woman that refuses to change her shvtty standards and attitude will just be a bitter post walled dog mom at the end of the day. For the girls suitable for dating, you will never have a chance to meet them because you are too busy crying over attention thots on social media and wasting time at shvtty clubs/bars instead putting yourself out their to these women.

Shyte,i agree with you way too much these days..lets just fight again. Nah just kidding.

I agree . The men that I know that struggle all have their own build in excuses; too white,black,light skinned, Arab, small,tall(really!!), poor, rich, strong, weak ect. Too smart too dump ,ugly, bald, autistic ect.

No incentive to improve unless they get more than instant gratification ,they want an insurance to be successful upfront. Fecking entitled and arrogant.

One incel homie claims he is "just fine ". Although recently I get him to kinda change his mind...obviously I am WAY too much of a dominant force to bypass anymore when it comes to game. Slowly he starts to understand that he's wasting his prime on his nonsensical personal philosophy that "we men can live without women and be just fine ". Digging in a woman's guts is still one of the highest forms of pleasure, FAR above "playing mini golf with the homies".

But who wants to improve themselves to meet some hb6 plain jane with astronimcally high body-count?

That post was in reference to one of the threads that @CornbreadFed made. He talked about this rich chad with social proof with a hb6 gf. But I get what you are saying. But the dating market has devolved and I think that this is what is on a gen Z's mind.

But I agree with you that I can only possibly go up if I gymmax.

You already explained it. Just wanna firstly say (like my incel homie) I'm excited to see you realize that if YOU gym max...we better hide our mothers daughters and wives...aka you be KILLING it!!!

Secondly @The Duke is ofcourse right. A man must start somewhere. Imo anything under hb7 =she is sexually "abusing " YOU.

Finally to elaborate to the second part, some men need an hb5/6 to get back into the game..been there myself. Went from hb6 to hb8 , so don't worry about it folks!!

 

[Bigpapa]

Have you guys thought that maybe girls are not really sleeping around that much either?

From my experience in real life, I do not really see as many girls outside now as I was seeing pre Covid. At the same time, I hear more and more about therapy + anti depressives

Anti depressives are very well known for ruining your libido

“Sexual Side Effects of Antidepressants
Depression and antidepressant medications can cause symptoms such as low libido, vaginal dryness, and erectile dysfunction. 1 People may also find it more difficult to have an orgasm, or may not have orgasms at all”

 

[I_have_BDE]

Male players were always admired. Though often

I agree. Younger women don’t seem to care as much about money.

I turn 40 next month and all the women that would be "age appropriate" like 32 on up are hung up on money.

Maybe it depends on the area of the country and cost of living too. My area of FL it's gold digging maximus though. Money trumps everything. Then again everything is so expensive here now and the jobs pay like crap here. Same thing around here still. The young girls are not as shallow about money and will date a regular guy within their age range they go to school with. Not all women 20 years old have super chad BFs as well. many just typical guys.

 

[Slowhandluke]

Male players were always admired. Though often...

I disagree. Maybe the top guys would get one or two mistress, but that was about it. Remember in Christianity (which ruled people's lives for centuries) sex before marriage was a sin... so was adultery. Not to mention what happens to people in Islamic countries.

In the past, top guys did have high body counts because they were kings, rulers, etc..; in general, it was the "uber chad" that slept arround. The exceptional men, these are the men that society allowed to sleep arround.

Ordinary Chad's of today that has 100's of women, they would have been shamed in the past.

Remember brothers of sisters would beat up guys that "played with their sisters feelings". This was only a couple generations ago.

 

[Slowhandluke]

Have you guys thought that maybe girls are not really sleeping around that much either?

From my experience in real life, I do not really see as many girls outside now as I was seeing pre Covid. At the same time, I hear more and more about therapy + anti depressives

Anti depressives are very well known for ruining your libido

“Sexual Side Effects of Antidepressants
Depression and antidepressant medications can cause symptoms such as low libido, vaginal dryness, and erectile dysfunction. 1 People may also find it more difficult to have an orgasm, or may not have orgasms at all”

Average women aren't sleeping arround 24x7, because they have to wait their turn for chad. Polygamy is not yet fashionable.

This in turns makes them depressed asking "where are all the nice guys?"

In the past when average women hooked up with average guys, these women were having more sex because they didn't need to wait for Chad to clean the carousel for the next rider. They had the average guy all to her happy self.
Experiencing the highs and lows of life together building a firm bond lasting through death.

 

[Bigpapa]

Average women aren't sleeping arround 24x7, because they have to wait their turn for chad. Polygamy is not yet fashionable.

This in turns makes them depressed asking "where are all the nice guys?"

Dunno bro, this is not what I see in real life

I see average guys with average girls all the time

Most of the guys that I have at work are either married either in a LTR, and almost none is what you would consider chadish

From where you get your view ? Is it drawn from what you see in reality or what you read ?

 

[Gamisch]

Average women aren't sleeping arround 24x7, because they have to wait their turn for chad. Polygamy is not yet fashionable.

Yup.

CHAD practices "sexual discipline "(aka gets his p00sy elsewhere) so he isn't too thrilled nor eager to feck average Girl , even tho Chad knows damn well Average girl might be more useful in the long run than crazy Hot crazy hb8,5. CHAD makes it look like Average Girl gets the "traditional romantic treatment " of waiting multiple dates before sleeping with her..

Eventually Average hard working Girl will get D1cked down, but rather for practical purposes than for Chad's lust. She might even be(somewhat) aware of this..just like how hb8,5 (pity) fecks Average Joe IF he provides significant amounts of monetary benefits to her.

Dunno bro, this is not what I see in real life

I see average guys with average girls all the time

Most of the guys that I have at work are either married either in a LTR, and almost none is what you would consider chadish

From where you get your view ? Is it drawn from what you see in reality or what you read ?

oh boy..the good ol' " but on MY job , in MY street in MY circle " qoute...

Ever wondered HOW these relationships going? You think these bluepilled beta men are in control?? As a sosauve vet you should know better by now..

Ofcourse most men on the job have girlfriends and wives. They provide as i said SIGNIFICANT monetary benefits to their women's. Not necessarily significant amounts of genuine desire..

 

[Slowhandluke]

Dunno bro, this is not what I see in real life

I see average guys with average girls all the time

Most of the guys that I have at work are either married either in a LTR, and almost none is what you would consider chadish

From where you get your view ?

If you say so. I guess the media is lying when they say aprox 65% of men are not in any form of relationships. According to you, there is no issue good luck with that.

 

[Bigpapa]

CHAD makes it look like Average Girl gets the "traditional romantic treatment " of waiting multiple dates before sleeping with her..

This is utter bullsh1t. You either move fast with the girl, either she will auto reject if you do not strike the iron while is hot ( even if you are a chad - fact - )

 

[Pierce.Manhammer]

For those who claim t levels aren’t dropping in younger men:

Testosterone levels show steady decrease among young US men

The decline in total testosterone was observed even among men with normal body mass index.

www.urologytimes.com

 

[Bigpapa]

If you say so. I guess the media is lying when they say aprox 65% of men are not in any form of relationships. According to you, there is no issue good luck with that.

You should come up with things from real experience or at least that things you see in real life

You just comment what you read

 

[Bigpapa]

For those who claim t levels aren’t dropping in younger men:

Testosterone levels show steady decrease among young US men

The decline in total testosterone was observed even among men with normal body mass index.

www.urologytimes.com

“According to Lokeshwar, potential causes for these declines could be increased obesity/BMI, assay variations, diet/phytoestrogens, declined exercise and physical activity, fat percentage, marijuana use, and environmental toxins”

Basically if you stay in front of the tv and never leave the house , like most guys here, your testosterone level will drop

I do not think a scientific study was needed to get this insight. Is common sense

 

[Gamisch]

This is utter bullsh1t. You either move fast with the girl, either she will auto reject if you do not strike the iron while is hot ( even if you are a chad - fact - )

How to let us know you are not a Chad(lite) without saying you're not a Chad(lite).

That qoute you posted was drawn from PERSONAL experiences, and experiences from other men who confidently identify as Chads...it is what it is bruh..

Believe me, if a woman views YOU as the price there aint no such thinh as "moving too slow". I had many ,many women waiting for YEARS on me. I could and can hit them up for sex at any time, unless they find a (jealous)boyfriend . Even had one negotiating she could still have sex with me despite having a bf..

You can only move too slow when she isn't that interested to begin with..let that sink in Big papa..

 

[Bigpapa]

How to let us know you are not a Chad(lite) without saying you're not a Chad(lite).

That qoute you posted was drawn from PERSONAL experiences, and experiences from other men who confidently identify as Chads...it is what it is bruh..

Believe me, if a woman views YOU as the price there aint no such thinh as "moving too slow". I had many ,many women waiting for YEARS on me. I could and can hit them up for sex at any time, unless they find a (jealous)boyfriend . Even had one negotiating she could still have sex with me despite having a bf..

You can only move too slow when she isn't that interested to begin with..let that sink in Big papa..

Good luck with this approach, but it is not what anyone that I know was successful with

So you are either the biggest chad out there, either you exaggerate things for the sake of looking cool

 

[Gamisch]

Good luck with this approach, but it is not what anyone that I know was successful with

So you are either the biggest chad out there, either you exaggerate things for the sake of looking cool

Has nothing to do with exaggerating or being "the biggest Chad out there". Its just facts. A woman WIlL wait for you IF you are the best option available to her. I've seen it plenty of times as i said in my previous post. We all have different experiences ofcourse...

Its similar to a smv5/6 or even 7 man getting strung along by a hb...7,5+ type of woman. The only difference is that a woman can pay with her p00sy ,while a man mostly will pay with money,time, non sexual attention, free rides ect.

Ill explain it some more: i used to be a sex addict. Prostitution is legally overhere, and on top of that in my (sick and twisted) mind i felt like I DESERVED to feck as much as possible( lets say every day )if given the chance. In that case fecking and getting suxked off by a sub hb7 woman was actually lucrative business, as it " saved " me (in my sick twisted mind) a 100 bucks at least.

Later I moved to a region where hookers asked 30/40 bucks a session...hb6,5 and up to be clear, between ages 18 and 40..it was like paradise at first, but later it kinda..destroyed my view on the value of women /p00sy. Havent been to a hooker in YEARS now.

I try to practice some form of sexual discipline , at least I am on nofap (so no p0rn), so I dont drive myself crazy with sexually charged images anymore.

What mostly means I am not entertaining women beneath my standards anymore..I can "easily " go MONTHS without sex, but more than 3 months actually never happens so..

Hopes this clarifies it a bit.

 

[Slowhandluke]

You should come up with things from real experience or at least that things you see in real life

You just comment what you read

Most young men are single. Most young women are not.

More than 60 percent of young men are single, nearly twice the rate of unattached young women, signaling a larger breakdown in the social, romantic and sexual life of the American male. Men i…

thehill.com

How can people be so out of touch?????? It's the "let them eat cake mentality". It's the mentality of "I just plowed through 100's of girls... what's wrong with men that can't these days??? It's sooo easy. See all of my friends have women... it's fine... My neighborhood, almost everyone has Tesla's.... so what wrong with these guys saying they can't afford Tesla's... It must be something WRONG with THEM..."

Have some more cake, buddy

 

[Pierce.Manhammer]

The fact remains that as the title of the study claims, testosterone levels are dropping.

Not sure what you're "arguing" here.

“According to Lokeshwar, potential causes for these declines could be increased obesity/BMI, assay variations, diet/phytoestrogens, declined exercise and physical activity, fat percentage, marijuana use, and environmental toxins”

Basically if you stay in front of the tv and never leave the house , like most guys here, your testosterone level will drop

I do not think a scientific study was needed to get this insight. Is common sense

 

[Bigpapa]

Most young men are single. Most young women are not.

More than 60 percent of young men are single, nearly twice the rate of unattached young women, signaling a larger breakdown in the social, romantic and sexual life of the American male. Men i…

thehill.com

How can people be so out of touch?????? It's the "let them eat cake mentality". It's the mentality of "I just plowed through 100's of girls... what's wrong with men that can't these days??? It's sooo easy. See all of my friends have women... it's fine... My neighborhood, almost everyone has Tesla's.... so what wrong with these guys saying they can't afford Tesla's... It must be something WRONG with THEM..."

Have some more cake, buddy

A Tesla is 40-50k, which is like what? 400-500 dollars a month through lease ?

Plus, it is always the option to buy one second hand, which is more affordable if you really want a Tesla and do not want to spend 400-500 dollars a month for a new ones

With a true average salary ( in most big cities ) you can afford a Tesla if you really want one

If you can not afford one it means that you are poor, and if you are poor it means that very likely your neighbors can not afford a tesla either, as you will leave in a poor neighborhood

You see, compared to you that reads stuff and comes with theoretical examples , I am anchored in reality

 

[Slowhandluke]

A Tesla is 40-50k, which is like what? 400-500 dollars a month through lease ?

With a true average salary ( in most big cities ) you can afford a Tesla if you really want one

If you can not afford one it means that you are poor, and if you are poor it means that very likely your neighbors can not afford a tesla either, as you will leave in a poor neighborhood

You see, compared to you that reads stuff and comes with theoretical examples , I am anchored in reality

emphasized that for you... because huhm.... yeah.... lease a Tesla... ok.....

 

[Pierce.Manhammer]

The poverty level in a 1st tier US city for a family of 4 is $117,400.00 gross. Someone earning that does not have their own home unless its inherited or they bought in 1975. Sooo no tax breaks.
~118,000/.33=~39k.
118k-39k=79k
This means take home is about $5700/month
Avg rent 1st tier city 3br/2ba is 3,400.00
now $2300.00 left for food for 4, automobiles, gas, utilities, clothing, trash, 401k, medical, cable tv, internet, cell phones.

Yeah I'm reality based. If you move to a 3rd tier city your income drops 35%.

A Tesla is 40-50k, which is like what? 400-500 dollars a month through lease ?

With a true average salary ( in most big cities ) you can afford a Tesla if you really want one

If you can not afford one it means that you are poor, and if you are poor it means that very likely your neighbors can not afford a tesla either, as you will leave in a poor neighborhood

You see, compared to you that reads stuff and comes with theoretical examples , I am anchored in reality