I am hearing that more men are single then ever and they are giving up on dating and women...

[Hacker]

Are there any statistics to actually prove this? I am hearing this from the media but also from dating gurus. Are you seeing this in real life or is this just made up BS?

 

[corrector]

Sure, I see women on their smartphone swipping on Tinder or texting or being socially engaged, but you hardly see most guys do this. Guys are usually watching videos, playing games or doing something else with their phones. It's obvious by obervation that guys have totally given up and women are swipping for chads on their smarpthones. (ie except where you see couples of course)

 

[Hamurabimbi]

I am not seeing this IRL. I work for a large organization. Most every guy (from Zoomers to Boomers) has s wife or GF.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Show me a man that gave up on dating and I will more than likely find an arrogant man with a victim mentality.

 

[corrector]

I am not seeing this IRL. I work for a large organization. Most every guy (from Zoomers to Boomers) has s wife or GF.

What about your incel friends?

 

[Hamurabimbi]

What about your incel friends?

That’s a multi-decade issue. Not really related to the current’crisis’.

 

[sangheilios]

Are there any statistics to actually prove this? I am hearing this from the media but also from dating gurus. Are you seeing this in real life or is this just made up BS?

It's definitely not made up and an issue that has been going on for much longer than you probably realize. This has been a trend we begin to take shape around 2008, which roughly correlates with the recession and also when Facebook really took off. We see this trend accelerate around 2014/2015, which was when Tinder came onto the scene. 2020 we naturally had COVID, which had profound impacts on society. Nightlife never really recovered from the lockdowns and I've seen a lot of posts online talking about how much people feel it has declined compared to 2019. Then factor in rampant inflation, where people are barely making ends meet and struggling to even pay for basic essentials. Dating takes a back seat compared to real world, day-day struggles.

There are tons of stats showing sexlessness has been a growing trend. The guys you see talking about getting a lot of sex, tons of dates or anything like that are most likely outright lying or at best greatly exaggerating, this also goes for a lot of the posters on this site.

 

[The Duke]

I've got a late 40's friend that gave up. Understands women, very confident, makes great money, good shape, decent looks. If it comes across his path he will approach, but he isn't going out of his way. He refuses to use dating apps anymore.

I'm in a similar place. I was on all the dating apps earlier this summer. Hit the bars. Talked to lots of girls, got a lot of numbers that went no where. Went on dates with two different girls, had sehx with one. I really didn't try that hard.

I'm a top 25% guy. Im not willing to deal with the their games and sort thru the flakes like I used to. I fuhked a lot of girls in my past, nothing to prove anymore.

I've got better things to do than validate a bunch of silly girls. Most have overvalued themselves, OLD isn't what it used to be.

 

[CornbreadFed]

I've got a late 40's friend that gave up. Understands women, very confident, makes great money, good shape, decent looks. If it comes across his path he will approach, but he isn't going out of his way. He refuses to use dating apps anymore.

I'm in a similar place. I was on all the dating apps earlier this summer. Hit the bars. Talked to lots of girls, got a lot of numbers that went no where. Went on dates with two different girls, had sehx with one. I really didn't try that hard.

I'm a top 25% guy. Im not willing to deal with the their games and sort thru the flakes like I used to. I fuhked a lot of girls in my past, nothing to prove anymore.

I've got better things to do than validate a bunch of silly girls. Most have overvalued themselves, OLD isn't what it used to be.

I get where you are coming from. I get approached or choosing signals by women pretty much every day, but I always double question them and also tell myself that it is not worth chasing after.

 

[mikedee]

I'm slowly giving up as it's more and more difficult to date early 20s (I'm 37), and I have very little interest in 30+. 24-29 is a good spot but dating has become more difficult in general and a lot of them have boyfriends and are settling down (in the culture where I live).
I'm really busy with work, university, projects, traveling etc. I don't have time to go out nor I'm interested in hitting the bars. I don't cold approach as much anymore, if I see a girl I really like I will take my shot though.
No victim mentality, just a change in priorities. I always go for very hot girls, not interested in dating down, so I prefer to be alone.

 

[Bingo-Player]

Problem is most men these days are emotionally weak , and women know it

A modern woman is overpowered and will test every corner of a mans frame looking for weakness because they know its usually there

This is because men have been trained by society to treat women as equals , but a woman doesn't want to be equal with a man when it comes to attraction

She wants to be beneath him , looking up at him which allows her to fall into her submissive and naturally feminine frame

A woman can't be submissive if she has a man that is beneath her begging her for sex or sipping over her instagram pictures

whatever its literally impossible

Until a man has the character and strength within him to correct this power dynamic he will always struggle with todays woman

that is why a lot of men turn their backs on modern dating they just can't get that masculine / feminine polarity in the right balance

It is a slog and it can be frustrating but I think women are actually trying to do men a favour

Their basically forcing men to level up

 

[RobbyDog]

I've got a late 40's friend that gave up. Understands women, very confident, makes great money, good shape, decent looks. If it comes across his path he will approach, but he isn't going out of his way. He refuses to use dating apps anymore.

I'm in a similar place. I was on all the dating apps earlier this summer. Hit the bars. Talked to lots of girls, got a lot of numbers that went no where. Went on dates with two different girls, had sehx with one. I really didn't try that hard.

I'm a top 25% guy. Im not willing to deal with the their games and sort thru the flakes like I used to. I fuhked a lot of girls in my past, nothing to prove anymore.

I've got better things to do than validate a bunch of silly girls. Most have overvalued themselves, OLD isn't what it used to be.

I’m pretty much there myself. Did pretty well on OLD 2018, 2019 and even through the pandemic but now I’ve found it’s mostly a complete waste of time.
I’d rather spend my time with my kids, at the gym, or building my finances.

Then all these broads can’t figure out why they can’t find a good man.

 

[CornbreadFed]

I just don't get it; all you have to do is just go outside to meet a girl. I get it if you are done chasing women and want to prioritize your resources on something else, but there's zero reason to give up on women because it is too hard.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

I just don't get it; all you have to do is just go outside to meet a girl. I get it if you are done chasing women and want to prioritize your resources on something else, but there's zero reason to give up on women because it is too hard.

I think that for the ones who consider it too hard, the ROI is just negative.
You're not even thirty, I guess you cannot even imagine turning down sex.

 

[CornbreadFed]

I think that for the ones who consider it too hard, the ROI is just negative.
You're not even thirty, I guess you cannot even imagine turning down sex.

I turn down sex all of the time lol. Plus, I keep hearing that a male ages like wine and can pull young hotties well past 40 too.

https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/single-alpha-male-in-30s-is-the-holy-grail.279332/

 

[Solomon]

It's definitely not made up and an issue that has been going on for much longer than you probably realize. This has been a trend we begin to take shape around 2008, which roughly correlates with the recession and also when Facebook really took off. We see this trend accelerate around 2014/2015, which was when Tinder came onto the scene. 2020 we naturally had COVID, which had profound impacts on society. Nightlife never really recovered from the lockdowns and I've seen a lot of posts online talking about how much people feel it has declined compared to 2019. Then factor in rampant inflation, where people are barely making ends meet and struggling to even pay for basic essentials. Dating takes a back seat compared to real world, day-day struggles.

There are tons of stats showing sexlessness has been a growing trend. The guys you see talking about getting a lot of sex, tons of dates or anything like that are most likely outright lying or at best greatly exaggerating, this also goes for a lot of the posters on this site.

^^Always love it when you post @sangheilios because your post confirms a lot of my worldview. I remember cleaning up on Tinder from 2012-2015 it was easy and the quality was the best I have experienced from any OLD site ever, after 2015 Tinder went down. Covid killed some of the best bars, and restaurants for nightlife in my city. The guys that are getting all the sex from hot girls are Athletes or guys in the top 15% in my city if you're an average guy it's like pulling teeth. Sure you can find a lay on Tinder but most likely it's a fattie or a girl that is a butterface. The game has become tough all around. I gotta put 4X the effort to get half the results I got say in 2013 if I use swipe apps and honestly I've given up because it's not worth the effort even if you pay for a premium version of Tinder, whats the point of matching with a chick that lives a 100 miles away? thats decent but you only matching with fatties in a 30 mile radius?

I’m pretty much there myself. Did pretty well on OLD 2018, 2019 and even through the pandemic but now I’ve found it’s mostly a complete waste of time.
I’d rather spend my time with my kids, at the gym, or building my finances.

Then all these broads can’t figure out why they can’t find a good man.

2019 When Hinge came out I remember going on multiple dates per week before I got banned of Hinge early this year I was lucky to get one match per week. I know I'm focus on my business and hitting the gym hopefully next summer I will be in far better shape than I am today

Problem is most men these days are emotionally weak , and women know it

A modern woman is overpowered and will test every corner of a mans frame looking for weakness because they know its usually there

This is because men have been trained by society to treat women as equals , but a woman doesn't want to be equal with a man when it comes to attraction

She wants to be beneath him , looking up at him which allows her to fall into her submissive and naturally feminine frame

A woman can't be submissive if she has a man that is beneath her begging her for sex or sipping over her instagram pictures

whatever its literally impossible

Until a man has the character and strength within him to correct this power dynamic he will always struggle with todays woman

that is why a lot of men turn their backs on modern dating they just can't get that masculine / feminine polarity in the right balance

It is a slog and it can be frustrating but I think women are actually trying to do men a favour

Their basically forcing men to level up

I totally agree with this but I would also argue that most women are far more masculine not just from how they talk and act but how they dress. Even when you watch the Redpill podcasts just listen to how masculine these women sound it's not sexy at all

^^What sane man wants to deal with these cackling hyenas?

I'm slowly giving up as it's more and more difficult to date early 20s (I'm 37), and I have very little interest in 30+. 24-29 is a good spot but dating has become more difficult in general and a lot of them have boyfriends and are settling down (in the culture where I live).
I'm really busy with work, university, projects, traveling etc. I don't have time to go out nor I'm interested in hitting the bars. I don't cold approach as much anymore, if I see a girl I really like I will take my shot though.
No victim mentality, just a change in priorities. I always go for very hot girls, not interested in dating down, so I prefer to be alone.

Brother, I'm like you, I rather focus on upgrading my life right now and have better options of women than date women I'm not attracted too. I recently dated a woman I wasn't attracted too and realized I had to be drunk everytime we had sex, it was not worth it

I've got a late 40's friend that gave up. Understands women, very confident, makes great money, good shape, decent looks. If it comes across his path he will approach, but he isn't going out of his way. He refuses to use dating apps anymore.

I'm in a similar place. I was on all the dating apps earlier this summer. Hit the bars. Talked to lots of girls, got a lot of numbers that went no where. Went on dates with two different girls, had sehx with one. I really didn't try that hard.

I'm a top 25% guy. Im not willing to deal with the their games and sort thru the flakes like I used to. I fuhked a lot of girls in my past, nothing to prove anymore.

I've got better things to do than validate a bunch of silly girls. Most have overvalued themselves, OLD isn't what it used to be.

I turn 40 next year and I'm not willing to make the same effort as my 20s or early 30s its not worth it This summer I didn't go out to bars or any place at all because I'm focusing on getting in shape and getting my money up. Also, I've noticed this weird thing where women in their 30s still wanna party and act like women in their 20s they even befriend these women. It's cringe to see a 35 year old going to clubs every weekend. I have no desire to date a woman who is jaded, bitter or not willing to compromise but they expect you to compromise their life and acquiesce("Plug N Play Boyfriend") to their lifestyle no sir

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

I turn down sex all of the time lol. Plus, I keep hearing that a male ages like wine and can pull young hotties well past 40 too.

Don't do tomorrow what you can do today.

 

[CornbreadFed]

I am noticing a common trend in this topic...Women frequently involved in club/bar venues and toxic women on OLD. No fvcking shvt you are going to want to give up on dating if these are the type of women you are choosing to interact with. These are the bottom of the barrel quality of women in the dating market.

 

[Smok1nAce]

I am noticing a common trend in this topic...Women frequently involved in club/bar venues and toxic women on OLD. No fvcking shvt you are going to want to give up on dating if these are the type of women you are choosing to interact with. These are the bottom of the barrel quality of women in the dating market.

Exactly. Guys have to completely dismiss these types of venues for women. Sure there not all bad but the vast majority of women you meet in these outlets have a different agenda.

Also misery loves company the guys who are single probably have friends who are single (actual incels) and are dragged down by them.

 

[Barrister]

Exactly. Guys have to completely dismiss these types of venues for women. Sure there not all bad but the vast majority of women you meet in these outlets have a different agenda.

Also misery loves company the guys who are single probably have friends who are single (actual incels) and are dragged down by them.

For most single men, if you completely dismiss bars and clubs while also axing OLD, you are essentially going to eliminate 90% of the path to meeting new women in today's society. This is completely unnecessary.

For the guys looking for an LTR, I agree that you many times, especially on OLD, are going to be sifting through the bottom of the barrel in terms of quality and that isn't the place to be doing that. But you have the wrong mindset if you are going out looking for Mrs. Right and only her in the first place. Date as many women as you can. If you find one that isn't as crazy as the others, looks good, and isn't going to fill your life with toxicity, give it a try. But don't have this attitude of "I am never going to meet women at a bar ever again." You needlessly limit yourself.

On the other hand, I can get behind something like Howie states where he only will go for women who make it really easy. But you also don't need to unnecessarily put limits on yourself and where you find your next lay.