I just started reading this book. I'd read excerpts before online but never the whole book. Only two chapters in and am impressed how much it agrees with game. Just wondering - have you guys read this? What are your thoughts on it?
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I'm a little surprised you compare it with game, even though I agree a lot of it applies. Game seems geared more toward indifference, negs, calling her on BS, not being needy, push/pull, that sort of thing. Carnegie's book seems to be more about making people feel good about themselves. Make them feel like they're the most important person in the room, stuff like that. Sounds like the opposite of pickup theory in some respects.samspade said:I just started reading this book. I'd read excerpts before online but never the whole book. Only two chapters in and am impressed how much it agrees with game.
I suppose in the broader sense, figuring out what people want and offering it to them reminds me of game. So does the notion that everyone acts out of self-interest and wants to feel important. Those are really broad strokes however. Push-pull, negs, etc., these are small time tools you use to get a woman wondering about you. What do women want? They want a man they can't figure out and whom they can fantasize about. One of the parallels I see is that approaching seduction based on what YOU want (sex, etc.) and trying to ply it from her is fruitless. Give her what she wants - a mysterious, confident, indifferent man.zekko said:I'm a little surprised you compare it with game, even though I agree a lot of it applies. Game seems geared more toward indifference, negs, calling her on BS, not being needy, push/pull, that sort of thing. Carnegie's book seems to be more about making people feel good about themselves. Make them feel like they're the most important person in the room, stuff like that. Sounds like the opposite of pickup theory in some respects.
Yeah dude, I remember that very well. He goes into depth with examples, such a farmer asking God to give him good crops that year. He says, “God, I know I haven’t done anything or haven’t planted anything at all, but if you give me some great crops this year, I promise next year I’ll plant sooo many different things”.Originally Posted by Bible_Belt:
In one of the Zig Ziglar metaphors that I remember best, he talks about eating in a cafeteria, how you pick out everything you want first, and then you go pay. He said that life is the exact opposite; you have to pay in full before you get anything you want.
It's understanding that concept that separates people who whine about what they think they want but don't have from the people who are busy working to get what they want.