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I have known guys throughout my life that think that every woman wants them and that they are a gift to women. Is it necessary to be this confident with women or is that too confident? How much of a factor does confidence have to do with getting women?
 

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That's not confidence, nor is it reality but it protects fragile ego's. More delusional like a lot of women.

Real confidence is knowing you will get rejected more often than not and be ok with that.

Women seek confident men. It's a valuable characteristic to have.
 

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People need to stop saying "confidence" because it's way too generic.

In the context of dating, I would say the most general form of confidence is having abundance and reliance on oneself for fulfilment in life.

What turns women off more than anything is thirst; guys that "don't need them" are the backbone of what makes men look confident in the eyes of most women.
 
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Confidence is a key component to game, hell anything. Unless you are a Chad or straight up dating with your wallet, your demeanor and projection is going to be what sets yourself apart from every other guy. I agree with @FlexpertHamilton that an abundance mindset is the best confidence to have as a male. Until you are able to obtain that, you are better off with the I am working on myself/purpose confidence.
 

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Most people unknowingly set themselves up on a "self-fulfilling prophecy. " If you believe she will reject your advance, then your actions will be weighed down by this pre-existing bias buried in your mind, and you will most likely fumble the bag as a result. It is the lack of confidence that let this prophecy exist in the first place. With that said, do not confuse genuine confidence with arrogance, delusion, or acting.
 

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Most people unknowingly set themselves up on a "self-fulfilling prophecy. " If you believe she will reject your advance, then your actions will be weighed down by this pre-existing bias buried in your mind, and you will most likely fumble the bag as a result. It is the lack of confidence that let this prophecy exist in the first place. With that said, do not confuse genuine confidence with arrogance, delusion, or acting.
Ignorance is Bliss is a popular saying for a reason. I would rather have false confidence than no confidence. Having no/negative confidence is just going to get keep you at your keyboard with a depleting lotion bottle.
 

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Ignorance is Bliss is a popular saying for a reason. I would rather have false confidence than no confidence. Having no/negative confidence is just going to get keep you at your keyboard with a depleting lotion bottle.
Fair point. The only thing I really warn against is using self-hype as a substitute for actual self improvement. The hype needs actions to back it up to keep it alive. Going in with the mentality that you are going to fail is much worse than arrogance though.
 

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Fair point. The only thing I really warn against is using self-hype as a substitute for actual self improvement. The hype needs actions to back it up to keep it alive. Going in with the mentality that you are going to fail is much worse than arrogance though.
You need clarity to thrive long term, something that is absent when illusions are used to boost the ego.
The opinion to be attractive is formed by general confidence. This opinion then increases or decreases based on minor factors like looks and environment.
 

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It's not simply confidence. It's also non-reactivity that you need to cultivate.
Give me some examples of non reactivity with women and why does that work with women?
 

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Give me some examples of non reactivity with women and why does that work with women?
"Can you change my oil?"

"Yes"

Reactivity, instead of saying Yes, the man would have an emotional reaction of some kind, "Why do I have to change your oil? Why can't you?"

Reactivity means showing anger, fear, even excitement or joy, just be on a single vector of calm and do not deviate from it, that is non-reactivity.
 

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I have known guys throughout my life that think that every woman wants them and that they are a gift to women. Is it necessary to be this confident with women or is that too confident? How much of a factor does confidence have to do with getting women?
As a man. Everything. It is ingrained in your frame
 

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"Can you change my oil?"

"Yes"

Reactivity, instead of saying Yes, the man would have an emotional reaction of some kind, "Why do I have to change your oil? Why can't you?"

Reactivity means showing anger, fear, even excitement or joy, just be on a single vector of calm and do not deviate from it, that is non-reactivity.
"Can you take me to this fancy restaurant tonight"

"Yes"

Reactivity, instead of saying Yes, the man would have an emotional reaction of some kind, "Why do I have to take you to this fancy restaurant and not to a normal one?"

Reactivity means showing anger, fear, even excitement or joy, just be on a single vector of calm and do not deviate from it, that is non-reactivity.

What's wrong with telling her, "why do I have to change the oil in your car and not you? Are you gonna clean my house?"
 

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As a shy guy with massive unrelenting confidence when I drink I can give you an answer from both sides. The shy guy who meets girls through circumstance has a limited field and view and passes opportunity when it arises. I can safely say my sober self has never once got laid despite being surrounded by woman (relationships dont count). Dont take the risk, dont get the reward type thing.

Now my drunk self who honestly could give a F and does what ever he wants, that guy has got me over probably 70+ body count. Ive seen girls both be intimidated by my confidence and also impressed by it so theoretically the intimided ones would be better suited to a guy whos more in the middle, the problem is his lack of effort due to the fear of rejection.

Ive been seeing a psychologist about merging the two sides of my game, Id love to be more like my drunken self sober, if I could pull that off Im sure my game would go up 50%.
 

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"Can you take me to this fancy restaurant tonight"

"Yes"

Reactivity, instead of saying Yes, the man would have an emotional reaction of some kind, "Why do I have to take you to this fancy restaurant and not to a normal one?"

Reactivity means showing anger, fear, even excitement or joy, just be on a single vector of calm and do not deviate from it, that is non-reactivity.

What's wrong with telling her, "why do I have to change the oil in your car and not you? Are you gonna clean my house?"
It was just an example, I don't even change my own oil.

I think there's a time and place to show emotions, however once you do she's gonna try and lock you down into that state, I freaking hate negotiating with a woman who should just be giving me anything I want. Or was giving me anything I wanted until I gave into the negotiation I should say, you show weakness and these broads take 3 miles per inch
 
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