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OLD is bad because it’s filled with toxic Disney Princesses so y’all are not missing out on going out on dates with these monsters.
 

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If you're top 20%, why would you go on OLD to get the bottom 50%? The healthy chicks aren't on OLD during their peak years.
I'm not sure. There are plenty of guys 8-10 enjoying a buffet of pusssy from swipe apps, especially women in the 5-7 range. There are plenty of 6's on the swipe apps. Acceptable looking prospects. These 6's on the apps have incredible choice.

If you're an 8.5 guy on a swipe apps, you will bang a 5-6 because it will be easier to get the bang than a 7.5-8.5 in real life (pandemic or no pandemic). You're not going to commit long term to a 5-6 so you'll just get the bang and maybe stick around a few months.

I'm not a Top 20% guy as evidence by the lousy time I had on swipe apps and website dating even before swipe apps.

What level of quality photos do you need? I am a good looking guy with a nice body. I got several matches, hardly any of which converted to an actual date. My text game is okay. I suspect if I wanted more matches I'd have to up the quality of my photos, first and foremost.
Good quality, likely professional quality. If you're a guy that's a 5-7, the pics will make or break you, so professional photos are nearly mandatory to deal with the ultra competitive environment. Once you hit the low to mid 7's as a guy, your photos don't need to professional but still good.

The Big 3 swipe apps are 65-75% male so it is a shiit environment to compete in for most men. 7.5-8+ can have a decent time on them but the rest of men shouldn't even bother. Competition is too fierce.

I'm probably in the 6-7 range on looks and I have found it extremely difficult to compete on them. Fortunately, I am able to approach strangers, even during the day at non-bar venues.

OLD is bad because it’s filled with toxic Disney Princesses so y’all are not missing out on going out on dates with these monsters.
True. Also women treat men from swipe apps worse than men they'd happen to meet in real life. I'm still convinced you could meet the same woman on an app and the same woman from cold approach and that she'd treat you better if you cold approached. The end result might be the same.

Realize that no woman wants to be on swipe apps. They are on swipe apps because they can't put anything together through their social circles first and they are unsatisfied with the quality of men who cold approach them and occasionally the quantity of men who cold approach them.
 

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I'm not sure. There are plenty of guys 8-10 enjoying a buffet of pusssy from swipe apps, especially women in the 5-7 range. There are plenty of 6's on the swipe apps. Acceptable looking prospects. These 6's on the apps have incredible choice.

If you're an 8.5 guy on a swipe apps, you will bang a 5-6 because it will be easier to get the bang than a 7.5-8.5 in real life (pandemic or no pandemic). You're not going to commit long term to a 5-6 so you'll just get the bang and maybe stick around a few months.

I'm not a Top 20% guy as evidence by the lousy time I had on swipe apps and website dating even before swipe apps.
I prefer real life, hate typing with my thumbs, hate swiping BS. I wouldn't bang anyone under what I see as an 8, otherwise you're just hurting your soul, man. I kissed a 5 once and couldn't get an erection for 3 months after that.

You also overestimate how hard it is to pick up women, many are willing and you don't have to do much if your goal is just sex. ngl tho, I'm good looking and charismatic. Still not everyone's cup of tea, got plenty of rejections, but these days I'm very socially calibrated and know when women WANT me to escalate, their hints are subtle. If you can read these signs and wait for them, your rejection rate will be low, but you miss out on some potential action from very shy/less forward/"lukewarm" women. But even shy women leave good hints, just usually non verbal.
 

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I prefer real life, hate typing with my thumbs, hate swiping BS. I wouldn't bang anyone under what I see as an 8, otherwise you're just hurting your soul, man. I kissed a 5 once and couldn't get an erection for 3 months after that.
I prefer real life as well. The swipe app channel has way too many drawbacks, as many posters have mentioned in various threads.

Sex with a woman in the 5-6 range can be uninspiring. They are not fat, but they might have some flab.

You also overestimate how hard it is to pick up women, many are willing and you don't have to do much if your goal is just sex. ngl tho, I'm good looking and charismatic. Still not everyone's cup of tea, got plenty of rejections, but these days I'm very socially calibrated and know when women WANT me to escalate, their hints are subtle. If you can read these signs and wait for them, your rejection rate will be low, but you miss out on some potential action from very shy/less forward/"lukewarm" women. But even shy women leave good hints, just usually non verbal.
I'm a 38 year old guy who has been actively interesting in dating since age 14. I didn't get serious about wanting to date until 16. I have somewhere between 22-24 years. I'll say 24 years since I did go to a school dance in 9th grade interested in making something happen with the opposite sex.

In the last 24 years, I have had some challenges in picking up women. My lifetime notch count is higher than ~95% percent of men but I have endured a lot of rejection and trauma in order to achieve that. I have thousands of rejections to my name, depending upon how you want to count rejections.

My natural social calibration might not be as high as yours. I've had to read a lot of pickup/seduction articles and books over the years.I think I've enhanced my skills over time.

I have lowered my rejection rate by avoiding some approaches that might be lukewarm. I like your method of looking for some hints, either subtle or overt.
 
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True. Most of the girls under 30 on old are fat, tatted or some other nasty trait. A hot woman under 30 still generally has a social circle and prospects lined up. They have no reason to need old. Thats why a lot of times the women over 30 are better looking than the few young ones on there.
 

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What level of quality photos do you need? I am a good looking guy with a nice body. I got several matches, hardly any of which converted to an actual date. My text game is okay. I suspect if I wanted more matches I'd have to up the quality of my photos, first and foremost.
Before covid when old was a bit better I just had a couple crap quality pics and my profile and would get dates and replies. Of course i had more time on my hands to write better messages too though.
 

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Before covid when old was a bit better I just had a couple crap quality pics and my profile and would get dates and replies. Of course i had more time on my hands to write better messages too though.

pics make a massive, massive difference in my opinion. you don;t even have to write much at all in your profile, if anything. I just have my height and 'athletic'. In fact it can break the ice. move stuff along in a weird way, as women regularly will say something like 'you seem very mysterious' or stuff like that, which can obviously tee up some comments to get things moving. I had awful results 3 years ago when I 1st joined, pictures were very mediocre and cobbled together. Had much lower amount of likes/matches, most of which were a 6 at best. Took better pics and resuts were night and day in terms of volume and quality (lookswise anyway).
 
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I would love to be the fly on the wall when girls meet the guy she responded to on Tinder just to see her face when he walks in at 5'7" despite appearing taller in pics.
 

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I would love to be the fly on the wall when girls meet the guy she responded to on Tinder just to see her face when he walks in at 5'7" despite appearing taller in pics.
I put 5’8” & am not that tall. I haven’t had a problem. I’m sure if I put 6’. That woukd be an issue though.
 

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I would love to be the fly on the wall when girls meet the guy she responded to on Tinder just to see her face when he walks in at 5'7" despite appearing taller in pics.
Women lie massively about height and body type. I'm not just talking about adding 2 inches to height like everyone does, but like 4 inches and more and also about body type too.
 

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For sure you need your pictures on point.
Picture of smiling and teeth first.
Then a body picture (with clothes) to see style and body shape.
6 pack photo if you have it.
Pictures of you doing cool things for the next 2/3 photos.
 

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Nobody has mentioned Zoosk. I used it briefly right before Covid but cancelled after a month because I hated the format and lack of options nearby. Anyway I only log into it once in a blue moon, but lately I've been getting women liking my profile and sending me messages and they're not fake profiles. Most HB6 to 7.5 range. I guess when I log in it pushes you up in the rotation. Not many women seem to use Zooks so that might be why it's a bit better.

The women on there look better than what's on Match and it's a bit cheaper too. I might cancel Match and give it a spin again.
 

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For sure you need your pictures on point.
Picture of smiling and teeth first.
Then a body picture (with clothes) to see style and body shape.
6 pack photo if you have it.
Pictures of you doing cool things for the next 2/3 photos.
A variety of pics is good. I had one pic of me in a suit. Got a match, and the girl said 'You are Hot! Especially in a suit! (heart eye emoji)'.
I never smiled, one girl matched and said, 'why don't you smile'.
Sadly, no 6-pack.
 
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A variety of pics is good. I had one pic of me in a suit. Got a match, and the girl said 'You are Hot! Especially in a suit! (heart eye emoji)'.
I never smiled, one girl matched and said, 'why don't you smile'.
Sadly, no 6-pack.
Yeah I've had the why don't you smile. I don't look moody or pissed off.

Mine aren't particularly interesting, but as cringy as it is I do have topless pic/6 pack.

Makes me laugh as some women say are you just looking for hookups judging by pics.

Some women have stuff like 'arrogance' or 'men who love themselves' or 'looking for genuine nice guy, not hookups' will match and chat etc. I don't really love myself/arrogant but I'd imagine judging by my pics you could easily assume I do. Kind of shows yiuu can't believe what they claim a lot of the time.
 

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I just think some of it's luck too. For example my cousin is a former chad (due to age now) but in the mid 2000s after he broke up with his LTR he had after his divorce he tried OLD and this was when OLD was rocking for most men and easy to get dates.

He was a Chad, in muscular shape, played hockey, former marine, lifted, active, good face. All his OLD dates were mostly dead ends. However IRL he has charisma and always got much younger women VERY easily his whole life. I mean 15 years or more younger than him. One of them was 21 when he was 39.
 
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