Harsh Truth: You will never beat women in the dating game

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I think the 1-10 ranking is misunderstood and misused by most.

It's simply mathematics: 5/10 is the median score—that means she's normal, HWP, not deformed, just the girl next door. Frankly, what most guys describe as 7's are actually 5's.

Why do people talk about 5s with such disdain? I write this because it would help to have a common definition when using shortshrift terms, otherwise we might as well be talking different languages.

Our opinions of whats attractive in women is subjective at best. I'd say it is possible that my 7 is your 5, a 2 (-2/+2 deviation) point range for individual tastes is probably fairly accurate.

The biggest problem most guys who aren't having success with women have is the women who they are attracted to, they shoot way too high and fail. Most guys overestimate their attractiveness scores as well. Add to that the fact most guys here say "no single mom's" "no one over 28" etc etc - these same guys are probably doing fat, single mom, 35 year olds but lying about it here.

Another normal day on the Internets...
 

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I think the 1-10 ranking is misunderstood and misused by most.

It's simply mathematics: 5/10 is the median score—that means she's normal, HWP, not deformed, just the girl next door. Frankly, what most guys describe as 7's are actually 5's.

Why do people talk about 5s with such disdain? I write this because it would help to have a common definition when using shortshrift terms, otherwise we might as well be talking different languages.

Our opinions of whats attractive in women is subjective at best. I'd say it is possible that my 7 is your 5, a 2 (-2/+2 deviation) point range for individual tastes is probably fairly accurate.

The biggesst problem most guys who aren't having sucess with women is th women who they are attracted to, they shoot way too high and fail. Most guys overestimate their attractiveness scores as well. Add to that the fact most guys here say "no single mom's" "no one over 28" etc etc - these same guys are probably doing fat, single mom, 35 year olds but lying about it here.

Another normal day on the Internets...
To add to this, there is a Latin American saying that is loosely translated to "Those who don't sleep with ugly girls don't have sex at all." It is somewhat harsh, but it suggests that less attractive women, or those rated 5/10, are easier to attract, leading to having more frequent sex and relationships compared to hitting on attractive women. Another perspective is that being too selective and demanding with potential partners can decrease the amount of sex you can get. Not everyone possesses the ability to attract Instagram models conventionally.

This is why in poor communities where access to makeup and a lack of self-soothing outlets like pornography is limited, couples often have numerous children and engage in extramarital affairs, as people act on their natural instincts rather than living in the fantasy world of the internet.
 
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Add to that the fact most guys here say "no single mom's" "no one over 28" etc etc - these same guys are probably doing fat, single mom, 35 year olds but lying about it here.
I wouldnt agree to say 100% of them aré lying but most guys possibly are. Imagine going online, creating an account on an online discussion forum, and making stuff up to a bunch of random strangers.
 

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OP makes a good point and who can you blame this on? Your fellow man. The Red Pill cracks me up with the brotherhood garbage. Like bro, the average 5 has an ego because your fellow man is WKing her and trying to spit game at her. Same dude would push you off the ledge for some p*ssy.

However, I do say this. The fact that p-ssy is harder to get than d1ck is part of why we respect dudes who do manage to kill it. It is part of why society respects a guy whose lay count is high but laughs at women whose lay count is high. Deep down inside, this is why women who have high lay counts are inherently broken women in so many ways only good for sex. It is because they know their achievement is by and large worthless.

A lot of them know that getting d1ck means nothing and this is why most men are easily disposable, they have little to offer society and the world. Society and the world have long benefitted from the 20% of men out there.

Even if a guy f*cks 20 women a year instead of a woman screwing 100 men, society values the former more. The guy did something that was tough to do. It is why being a slut will never be cool or high status, because d1ck is easy to get. At the same time, being a playboy will always be admired because above average p-ssy is hard to get for most men.

As a man, your options are be top tier or rot.

High value men are more respected than even your typical model because they matter more to society than some fine piece of a$$.

Meanwhile, most men are disposable and respected less than trash. You should be happy for this. Society needs less men. Less men means less simps. Less men means less dudes clogging up bars and making them sausagefests. Less men means less dudes to inflate the egos of 5s.
 

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I think the 1-10 ranking is misunderstood and misused by most.

It's simply mathematics: 5/10 is the median score—that means she's normal, HWP, not deformed, just the girl next door. Frankly, what most guys describe as 7's are actually 5's.

Why do people talk about 5s with such disdain? I write this because it would help to have a common definition when using shortshrift terms, otherwise we might as well be talking different languages.
I agree that it's a median. However, it's also location specific. A 5 in America is not the same thing as a 5 in Sweden.

Most of the people on this board are Americans. A median American woman is significantly overweight. That is the reason why people speak "derisively" about 5's. In a sense, 7 is the new 5. Modern American 7's are the equivalent of Northern European 5's (and American 5's from earlier decades).
 

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I do not think it’s a local thing. It’s about what’s attractive, a fat chick is not attractive.
 

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Especially if you are hyper focused on sex. A 1/10 woman has more sexual options than a Chad without a doubt. Unfortunately, you will not dissuade me with your bullshvt because I have seen with my eyes plenty of fvcking times. If you are out here trying to impress people with your bachelor lifestyle then you aren't fooling anyone experienced. In reality, you will never beat an average woman and will always be in the loser seat. Men struggle or fatigue themselves because they essentially try to out woman a woman which is impossible. Like or not, Men have the more leverage when it comes to access to relationships/marriages and during the relationship/marriage itself. For example, if you are holding frame and doing your part, it would be completely futile for your partner to risk losing you unless she is mentally deranged which falls upon you for choosing her IMHO.

And for your nostalgiacels that love to bring up the pre-feminism era every other day! Were men out there tricking and trying to dvck down 304s with minimal effort? Absolutely not!!
I think this is one of the main problems.
They tell me to realize that there is a reward, they tell me to improve yourself. But at the end of the day, if we are not at 0.0001% (There are rich, famous and handsome actors there etc.) We have less chance than any woman (In my circle, they call me above average. My height is 187, generally like 6/10, but 3/10 Even a girl has more opportunities than me).
Also, as a man, I have to go and convince that girl.

The one who has less to lose in bargaining wins.
 

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Especially if you are hyper focused on sex. A 1/10 woman has more sexual options than a Chad without a doubt. Unfortunately, you will not dissuade me with your bullshvt because I have seen with my eyes plenty of fvcking times. If you are out here trying to impress people with your bachelor lifestyle then you aren't fooling anyone experienced. In reality, you will never beat an average woman and will always be in the loser seat. Men struggle or fatigue themselves because they essentially try to out woman a woman which is impossible. Like or not, Men have the more leverage when it comes to access to relationships/marriages and during the relationship/marriage itself. For example, if you are holding frame and doing your part, it would be completely futile for your partner to risk losing you unless she is mentally deranged which falls upon you for choosing her IMHO.

And for your nostalgiacels that love to bring up the pre-feminism era every other day! Were men out there tricking and trying to dvck down 304s with minimal effort? Absolutely not!!
Wow, this comment is almost as depressing as this scene:

 

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How is this working mathematically assuming the world's population is 50% male and 50% female?
A single baker with a row of ovens can bake a lot of loaves of bread. :rolleyes: :mad:
 

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What's your definition of a 1/10? To me it's a woman who is 400 pounds or a woman who is in a wheelchair. I would say most women fall in the 5 or 4 out of 10 range then yes those have more options than a Chad but a 1 out of 10? yikes you're reaching, there are some gargoyle-looking women (especially on these dating apps) that I think even if you were high and drunk out of your mind the average man wouldn't be able to smash lmfao
Makes you wonder also, what percentage of women are 1/10? Can't be very many.
 
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Especially if you are hyper focused on sex. A 1/10 woman has more sexual options than a Chad without a doubt. Unfortunately, you will not dissuade me with your bullshvt because I have seen with my eyes plenty of fvcking times. If you are out here trying to impress people with your bachelor lifestyle then you aren't fooling anyone experienced. In reality, you will never beat an average woman and will always be in the loser seat. Men struggle or fatigue themselves because they essentially try to out woman a woman which is impossible. Like or not, Men have the more leverage when it comes to access to relationships/marriages and during the relationship/marriage itself. For example, if you are holding frame and doing your part, it would be completely futile for your partner to risk losing you unless she is mentally deranged which falls upon you for choosing her IMHO.

And for your nostalgiacels that love to bring up the pre-feminism era every other day! Were men out there tricking and trying to dvck down 304s with minimal effort? Absolutely not!!
Women after 35 are useless.

They have nothing to offer, besides s3x.

Men after 35 are at their core peak, and even when they reach 40.

Men have an advantage in age and options as they get older. Women do not have that.

You are talking about younger women i suppose then yes they have more options then the average chad.

Men hold the power above a certain age threshold, and even at younger age. Men do have options when they know what the f3uck they are doing and they are following a path for success.

A High Value Man that has abundance, money, and success does not care about any woman, or he does not get demolished if he gets rejected. Trust me.

Having abundance is having power.
 
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A single baker with a row of ovens can bake a lot of loaves of bread. :rolleyes: :mad:
This was a reply to my question: "How is this working mathematically assuming the world's population is 50% male and 50% female?"

And I still don't get it. I mean, in each s*x encounter, there is 1 male participant and 1 female participant. (For the sake of simplicity, I'm ignoring threesomes, orgies and LTBG people). Thus, the male population has *exactly* as much s*x as the female population. It can merely be a difference in distribution.

It's simply not possible that all females have more s*x than all males. Do you want to say that very few males get almost everything and the rest gets almost nothing?
 

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Women today are more focused on the physical appearance of men more than any time in our history. Women have a lot of options... it's always been that way... they are not motivated as much by the quality of life (resources, stability) as they are by how you look.

If a man isn't spending at least 3 days a week in the gym working out and controlling their weight their chances of getting past that 'attraction' is slim. Yeah, they want guys with resources and stability... but that is actually third behind looks and tangible things like commonality.

I know women that all they do is spend time on dating aps, finding 'hot' guys to have sex with... and if it develops into something the chick wants... then fine... otherwise... there are plenty of men on dating aps that spend all their time in the guy working out... everything else in their lives taking a back seat. Their 'purpose' is to work out... get laid... that is all.

More women today just live in the moment and they are not thinking of the future. They do not think of ramifications... and if they are hot to decent looking... she has no ramifications. There will always be another dude... that are a dating ap away.
 
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Women today are more focused on the physical appearance of men more than any time in our history.
Are you sure about that? It's obvious you have never been a Victorian gentleman.
If what you're saying is true, it runs counter to how badly dressed most men are.
 

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Women today are more focused on the physical appearance of men more than any time in our history. Women have a lot of options... it's always been that way... they are not motivated as much by the quality of life (resources, stability) as they are by how you look.

If a man isn't spending at least 3 days a week in the gym working out and controlling their weight their chances of getting past that 'attraction' is slim. Yeah, they want guys with resources and stability... but that is actually third behind looks and tangible things like commonality.

I know women that all they do is spend time on dating aps, finding 'hot' guys to have sex with... and if it develops into something the chick wants... then fine...

More women today just live in the moment and they are not thinking of the future. They do not think of ramifications... and if they are hot to decent looking... she has no ramifications.
There will always be another dude...
Based on my extensive experiences over the last 10 years-- I have to wholeheartedly agree with this post.

With most girls (especially in the 18 - 25 age range) there appears to be zero urgency around fostering a serious relationship / getting married or having children... but these same picky broads are certainly active in the "dating" scene. When examining the ongoing prevalence of online "dating" apps and social media: it leads me to believe most desirable girls are only going after the absolute top crop of guys (men with some kind of celebrity status and/or those with exceptional looks-- i.e. 6'2"+ and/or jacked).

As a guy with extensive game experience-- along with being successful in my career, well-educated, having money, dressing well, and being considered good looking... it just isn't enough in the current dating landscape to foster any kind of abundance (especially with top shelf girls). I work out, but feel I fall short with a lot of (hot/young) girls due to not being a ripped gym bro. I really missed the boat on this in my younger years, along with not building any kind of social media presence.
 
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