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I lately made a threat about this, and I’m 185lbs, 185cm and women behaved according to these tiers. I wasn’t the only one, I have friends who go through the same problem. Maybe you identify yourself in it.

The tiers are from pook not from me

155

I started out around 155 pounds at 6’3 height. This meant that I was very skinny. I was also considered a nice looking guy. Women loved me being tall.

At this point, I had to deal with a lot of fat chicks hitting on me. These girls were BIG and I wanted nothing to do with them. Ugly girls also would come to me. This was me not doing anything. This was what my body was attracting all alone. If I wanted to get a cuter girl, I had to work for it.

I have problems talking to women, not because I am scared or boring, but because I sense the women think I am ‘below’ them. And the truth is that they do.

I date average women.

165

Already, things have changed. The fat/ugly women still go for me but they don’t think I’m as easy. They want to enter oneitis with me. The ‘unworthy’ girls category would now all be staring at me. To the beautiful women, I’m just a typical guy. Cute girls now enjoy talking to me.

I still date average women and now some cute women.

175

“You are looking very good,” my older female manager told me. The fat/ugly women no longer hit on me (thank goodness!) and people (out of the blue) are asking why I don’t have a girlfriend. Average girls are beginning to stare.

I date only cute women with some very attractive ones mixed in.

185

Average girls are now hitting on me. Very attractive women are checking me out. At this stage, every woman is happy to talk to me. They all secretly wonder if I’m gay.

I date more very attractive women but still have the cute ones.

195

OK, when you don’t have a girlfriend at this stage, the ladies will whisper, “Is he gay?” all the time. One girl got bold about it and asked me point blankly, “Pook, you are cute and all. So why don’t you have a girlfriend?” I was stunned by her bluntness (rare among women).

Average women consider me out of their league. Cute ones try to become my ‘friend’.

I date only very attractive women. Beautiful women are still a bit of an anomaly.

205

When you get to this stage, something very strange happens. All the attention and staring women gave you is gone (mostly). Ugly/Fat women will despise you as will the average women. Most girls will be scared of you (cute girls, very attractive girls)

Let me give you some examples. One Very Beautiful girl was in several of my classes. I start talking to her and she has plenty of time to leave. But she doesn’t… she stays to keep talking to me. The girls now notice me, but are a bit scared to talk and act around me.

One cute girl is like a leech to me in one of my classes. She must sit right next to me, must ‘borrow my notes’, must talk to me 20 minutes after class everyday…

One Very Beautiful woman was a fitness instructor at my gym (think ‘well muscled’ with nice strong legs (those strong thighs come in handy with her dealings with the Pook-man!)). Every time I saw this girl, she always had a ‘satellite’ boy around her. Who does she end up with? Me.

Or the ultimate example: there was a girl I was in oneitis that drove me to this webpage. As I got bigger, her reactions to me changed as well. At 155, I was ‘average’. At 175, she knew something was up. I got her at 195.

Now I date some Very Attractive women but most are Very Beautiful Women.
 

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It does only help when you have confidence, because many people will try to make you insecure, gaslight you to doubt your value even from the ones who are attracted to you and you will be also often targeted by narcissists
 

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It really depends. It makes all the difference in the world when I'm trying to pull in a good environment but in a terrible City or environment it doesn't make a huge difference
 

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When you get to this stage, something very strange happens. All the attention and staring women gave you is gone (mostly). Ugly/Fat women will despise you as will the average women. Most girls will be scared of you (cute girls, very attractive girls)
It puts you in a more competitive tier yes.
 

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It puts you in a more competitive tier yes.
Yes and I must admit, it’s not for people who aren’t mentally tough. I almost fell for it wanted to give up the gym. The good thing was beautiful women 8 and 9 will give you lots of iois and that’s where you understand that all girls below were actually insecure and just want you to feel bad even though they want you. The game is immediately on, when you are good in shape OP, but many men are unaware of it, but here we are guys going through this and redpill aware enough to see through their bs
 

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Nothing makes a girl float around a guy more than knowing he is the fit high value one in the room. Having the look helps a lot.
 

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Anyone in the mature forum who got into significantly better shape after the age of 25 and noticed improved reactions from females?

I have never had issues getting girls, but have had a dadbod since the age of ~26 (before that I wasn’t in a super shape). I have now been going to the gym consistently for 3 months and gotten myself a PT. The LBs are shedding very quickly, but am finding it hard to keep up motivation as my day job is very draining (14hr+ workdays).. so am looking for some motivation from mature people who turned their body around and - hopefully - experienced material improvements in reactions from people around them.
I've always been in good shape and I intend to keep it that way for however long I can in this body. To be honest, it's fractional improvement similar to pickup. If you say 1% which is a tiny number, and you say the same for game, it adds up. More importantly, it compounds, and it grows exponentially. Particularly, looking young helps as you get older and pull younger. Girl age 21 the other day. Random pickup. It doesn't guarantee success but it means that you speak the same language. Deterioration comes with age but you can mitigate a slower decline with fitness and health.

I'm a firm believer based upon my experience that you simply live a better quality life. Somebody crushing big macs and fat as ****kkk may some how out live me despite the lifestyle choices I made. I regret nothing.

OP, to put into perspective, I asked for ID the other day. Lulz! I'm assuming genetic predisposition and lifestyle are the reasons. Add in game, add in eons on intermittent fasting (check out the thread), game, and the pulling girls far younger than myself has been the outcome. On average 7-10 + age difference.
 

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It does only help when you have confidence, because many people will try to make you insecure, gaslight you to doubt your value even from the ones who are attracted to you and you will be also often targeted by narcissists
When blue pill, I did a transformation. I went full super sayain. I went to ibiza with a few chodes. 6days a week and dialed in diet consisting of 6 small meals. No cheats. No junk food. I looked like Gaz from gordie shore (frame). Skinny **** but added on lean muscle over 8 months. Full 8 pack. No flex.

The dorks I went with bragged about how strong they were. About how I don't know how to lift. On Vaca in ibiza, they were in for a shock. They were fat as ****kkk but strong only due to their gargantuan carriage. They were gaslighting and insecure.

I went out solo. Met playboy's on the resort. We pulled girls back to some posh hotel. Chick's just turned 18. It was epic. The dorks were back in their rooms fapping. For me, I saw the playboy's run game. It got me realizing that there's a way to get girls. I started learning pickup right after.

I also realized that you need To cut loose people from your past who do not have your back nor want you to succeed. Moreover they will try to sabotage you. They tried and failed. More importantly they saw women's reaction to me and raged. Instead of being happy for me it she'd light on their mediocrity. Fast forward to the present day, both are fatter. 1 is bald living in his mom's basement covered in pizza pockets. 1 is playing house.

There's a reason to cut loose anybody who is against you. Don't look back.
 

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When blue pill, I did a transformation. I went full super sayain. I went to ibiza with a few chodes. 6days a week and dialed in diet consisting of 6 small meals. No cheats. No junk food. I looked like Gaz from gordie shore (frame). Skinny **** but added on lean muscle over 8 months. Full 8 pack. No flex.

The dorks I went with bragged about how strong they were. About how I don't know how to lift. On Vaca in ibiza, they were in for a shock. They were fat as ****kkk but strong only due to their gargantuan carriage. They were gaslighting and insecure.

I went out solo. Met playboy's on the resort. We pulled girls back to some posh hotel. Chick's just turned 18. It was epic. The dorks were back in their rooms fapping. For me, I saw the playboy's run game. It got me realizing that there's a way to get girls. I started learning pickup right after.

I also realized that you need To cut loose people from your past who do not have your back nor want you to succeed. Moreover they will try to sabotage you. They tried and failed. More importantly they saw women's reaction to me and raged. Instead of being happy for me it she'd light on their mediocrity. Fast forward to the present day, both are fatter. 1 is bald living in his mom's basement covered in pizza pockets. 1 is playing house.

There's a reason to cut loose anybody who is against you. Don't look back.
Sometimes you want to help those types. Especially when they were your best buds. But I ran into plenty who just would not listen or even take help. It is like they loved being miserable. I do not know how guys can get addicted to the feeling of misery and depression.
 

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Yes and I must admit, it’s not for people who aren’t mentally tough. I almost fell for it wanted to give up the gym. The good thing was beautiful women 8 and 9 will give you lots of iois and that’s where you understand that all girls below were actually insecure and just want you to feel bad even though they want you. The game is immediately on, when you are good in shape OP, but many men are unaware of it, but here we are guys going through this and redpill aware enough to see through their bs
Agreed, it only gets more difficult. I was annoyed that it often narrowed my range of options to improve SMV. I just want someone with a good head on her shoulders who is average looking, I don't need 7-8+ and all the headaches that come with that. Instead the only women that bother with me are 7-8 and below 5 lol.

Building a lot of muscle is one of those things that undeniably improves your SMV but has the least yield compared with investment. Another bad one is working a high status but high stress job. Having said that, both are often the only way guys who are not happy with their current setting can improve.
 
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It puts you in a more competitive tier yes.
His "205" might be 20% bf, where his 185 is 12% and 195 is 14%. So at that 20% his face looks pudgy no jawline, and some slop in the midsection. On a guy with alot more muscle 205 might be 10% or less.
 

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His "205" might be 20% bf, where his 185 is 12% and 195 is 14%. So at that 20% his face looks pudgy no jawline, and some slop in the midsection. On a guy with alot more muscle 205 might be 10% or less.
I assume based on his results that it is mostly muscle because it mirrors my results building mostly muscle. HOWEVER you are right generally about the pudgy look and most people who gain mass get at least some pudginess even if keeping bodyfat in range.
 

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Roman Reigns is currently 265 give or take. I know he has a jawline due to seeing him without his full beard before. But even at that weight you can tell he's struggling to keep his bf down. Not to mention those somoan genetics. It takes a lot of work to keep lean the higher your weight goes. Mostly because your body needs lot of energy and you're starving all the time. If I'm already feeling like I need to eat everything in sight at 190, I can only imagine what someone at that weight is requiring.

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I lately made a threat about this, and I’m 185lbs, 185cm and women behaved according to these tiers. I wasn’t the only one, I have friends who go through the same problem. Maybe you identify yourself in it.

The tiers are from pook not from me

155

I started out around 155 pounds at 6’3 height. This meant that I was very skinny. I was also considered a nice looking guy. Women loved me being tall.

At this point, I had to deal with a lot of fat chicks hitting on me. These girls were BIG and I wanted nothing to do with them. Ugly girls also would come to me. This was me not doing anything. This was what my body was attracting all alone. If I wanted to get a cuter girl, I had to work for it.

I have problems talking to women, not because I am scared or boring, but because I sense the women think I am ‘below’ them. And the truth is that they do.

I date average women.

165

Already, things have changed. The fat/ugly women still go for me but they don’t think I’m as easy. They want to enter oneitis with me. The ‘unworthy’ girls category would now all be staring at me. To the beautiful women, I’m just a typical guy. Cute girls now enjoy talking to me.

I still date average women and now some cute women.

175

“You are looking very good,” my older female manager told me. The fat/ugly women no longer hit on me (thank goodness!) and people (out of the blue) are asking why I don’t have a girlfriend. Average girls are beginning to stare.

I date only cute women with some very attractive ones mixed in.

185

Average girls are now hitting on me. Very attractive women are checking me out. At this stage, every woman is happy to talk to me. They all secretly wonder if I’m gay.

I date more very attractive women but still have the cute ones.

195

OK, when you don’t have a girlfriend at this stage, the ladies will whisper, “Is he gay?” all the time. One girl got bold about it and asked me point blankly, “Pook, you are cute and all. So why don’t you have a girlfriend?” I was stunned by her bluntness (rare among women).

Average women consider me out of their league. Cute ones try to become my ‘friend’.

I date only very attractive women. Beautiful women are still a bit of an anomaly.

205

When you get to this stage, something very strange happens. All the attention and staring women gave you is gone (mostly). Ugly/Fat women will despise you as will the average women. Most girls will be scared of you (cute girls, very attractive girls)

Let me give you some examples. One Very Beautiful girl was in several of my classes. I start talking to her and she has plenty of time to leave. But she doesn’t… she stays to keep talking to me. The girls now notice me, but are a bit scared to talk and act around me.

One cute girl is like a leech to me in one of my classes. She must sit right next to me, must ‘borrow my notes’, must talk to me 20 minutes after class everyday…

One Very Beautiful woman was a fitness instructor at my gym (think ‘well muscled’ with nice strong legs (those strong thighs come in handy with her dealings with the Pook-man!)). Every time I saw this girl, she always had a ‘satellite’ boy around her. Who does she end up with? Me.

Or the ultimate example: there was a girl I was in oneitis that drove me to this webpage. As I got bigger, her reactions to me changed as well. At 155, I was ‘average’. At 175, she knew something was up. I got her at 195.

Now I date some Very Attractive women but most are Very Beautiful Women.
I recall reading this post when I first joined the forum some 10’years ago. Did you actually try it and observe similar occurrences? Or are you just referencing his writing (which is awesome)?
 

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Roman Reigns is currently 265 give or take. I know he has a jawline due to seeing him without his full beard before. But even at that weight you can tell he's struggling to keep his bf down. Not to mention those somoan genetics. It takes a lot of work to keep lean the higher your weight goes. Mostly because your body needs lot of energy and you're starving all the time. If I'm already feeling like I need to eat everything in sight at 190, I can only imagine what someone at that weight is requiring.

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Tell me about it, I am trying to lift my way out of very high BMI and it is so difficult due to the extreme hunger. Hoping it will be worth it ultimately rather than just traditional weight loss with nothing to show for it at the end.
 

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I recall reading this post when I first joined the forum some 10’years ago. Did you actually try it and observe similar occurrences? Or are you just referencing his writing (which is awesome)?
Nope. I was skinny as well and had the same experience only difference is that some, but not all fat women still think they have a chance with me. I think some of you guys should stop fu.c.king fat girls so they don’t get delusional like in my case
 
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Nope. I was skinny as well and had the same experience only difference is that some, but not all fat women still think they have a chance with me. I think some of you guys should stop fu.c.king fat girls so they don’t get delusional like in my case
Interesting, thank you. I’ve managed to lose 10kg thus far and my (limited) muscle mass is already much more defined. This was in about a month and a half. Target is to lose another 15kg by end of august as I want to have some photos taken to get back onto online dating after being off it since I joined this website some 10-11 years ago
 

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Interesting, thank you. I’ve managed to lose 10kg thus far and my (limited) muscle mass is already much more defined. This was in about a month and a half. Target is to lose another 15kg by end of august as I want to have some photos taken to get back onto online dating after being off it since I joined this website some 10-11 years ago
If you have performance or energy issues, I’d recommend you to take creatine and mct oil. I’m a student and have to almost drive 2 hours with different public transportations from one city to another and it was exhausting as well when you include the hours to drive back. Lots of walk, lots of standing if you couldn’t find a seat and that for hours. My university used to offer private buses but they are now limited to some area.
Creatine helped a lot to keep my energy up. Try mct oil as well (should minimum have 80% c8).
Anything beside that, keep up the work, there is nothing you can do wrong with improving yourself, but don’t do the mistake like me and neglect socialising, spending time with others.
 

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Roman Reigns is currently 265 give or take. I know he has a jawline due to seeing him without his full beard before. But even at that weight you can tell he's struggling to keep his bf down. Not to mention those somoan genetics. It takes a lot of work to keep lean the higher your weight goes. Mostly because your body needs lot of energy and you're starving all the time. If I'm already feeling like I need to eat everything in sight at 190, I can only imagine what someone at that weight is requiring.

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Most women would prefer a basketball build over this Defensive End/Large Linebacker size. I mean i'm a linebacker build, but they like slim muscular dudes the most.
 

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A top body is an EVIDENCE that you're healthy in your body and in your mind.

Someone that is not healthy cant build muscle and someone that is not mentally stable cant handle diets and training sessions.

A weak body cannot afford to burn precious resources to build and keep al those muscles.
 
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