MatureDJ
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The key is not to get used; if a FriendPlate is using the PUA, he needs to GhostMax.Yeah a viable strategy to get used lol
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The key is not to get used; if a FriendPlate is using the PUA, he needs to GhostMax.Yeah a viable strategy to get used lol
Bro this is exactly what happened to me ... I’d rather just move on, I made my move she went all weird on me, and expects me too just stick around and be her mate .. not happening. I mean we was doing all the things that couples do except the sex ... like even now she keeps messaging asking what I’m up to and do I want to go on walks days out etc. It’s weird. She loves the attention. In fact she thrives off it, I now see it for what it is (breadcrumbs) even on social media it’s all about the likes. But she’s not even that pretty especially without the makeup. I’m not going to help her get on that pedestal ... she even has her very own minions (orbiters) that like everything she puts on social media .. like it’s the same people all the time ha ha.Being friends with women just doesn’t work for me. It just doesn’t. Usually what happens (twice) is we start out liking each other and I try to take it to the next level (thinking it’s going somewhere) only for them to keep shutting me down. So I am of the mindset “ok she was liking me, I’ve tried to move this along but now it’s like she doesn’t like me anymore” and then comes the “I want to be friends” but they usually aren’t that direct about it. The only way that has ever worked for me is to meet a girl (cold approach) and get her out as soon as possible and as long as she doesn’t shut down my advances I never get friendzoned or rejected. The problem is the two girls that friendzoned me had just gotten out of a relationship and we went on dates and looking back now I was just there to fill a void. They weren’t really attracted to me since they wouldn’t let it go further than casual dating. Then they friendzoned me but yet we’re still very aggressive in keeping in contact with me. That’s confusing as sh!t. Sorry it just is. It’s immature women that do that anyways I’ve learned. I like the women that can reject me and let me go about my way. I refuse to be friends with women now due to bad experiences. I want nothing to do with their friendship and they can shove it up their ass for all I care.
Hasn't happened to me. I don't project this kind of energy, so it's not my reality. This may be why some guys believe the FZ is real and others see it as a frame fail. It's just not a part of my vocabulary. (Some guys are defining it as simping, which is different.)Call it whatever you want, but there is a point during your communication with a woman where you've fvcked it up beyond saving. You have absolutely zero chance of dating her or fvcking her because you either failed a sh!t test, wasn't her "type", or screwed your game up some how.
When a girl has mentally decided that she will NEVER have sex with you, this is the friendzone. She's willing to be "friends" and allow you to orbit her, but she will never date you or truly respect you.
I doubt this. You're trying to tell me that 100% of the women you meet and approach all have sex with you? I call BS.Hasn't happened to me. I don't project this kind of energy, so it's not my reality. This may be why some guys believe the FZ is real and others see it as a frame fail. It's just not a part of my vocabulary. (Some guys are defining it as simping, which is different.)
Note, this doesn't mean I fukk every girl I meet. Just means that I don't put myself in the "friendzone" or frame my dynamic with a girl that way.
IME, sex with female friends has been a net positive. Not everything has to be about dating.
I agree. You can read my initial post. It's not the act of being friends with women, it's more/less how they perceive you as a friend.I used to have 100% masculine interests and I was never friendzoned because I didn't bring anything to the table friends-wise to women. It really was dating or nothing. By friendzone I mean when they actually try to keep you around as friends, they had no reason to. I know a lot of guys in the construction business like this, they just rarely have female friends in general, much less friendzoned. Now, I have a lot of female friends and it happens often. I don't believe either way is better or worse.
Call it whatever you want, but there is a point during your communication with a woman where you've fvcked it up beyond saving. You have absolutely zero chance of dating her or fvcking her because you either failed a sh!t test, wasn't her "type", or screwed your game up some how.
When a girl has mentally decided that she will NEVER have sex with you, this is the friendzone. She's willing to be "friends" and allow you to orbit her, but she will never date you or truly respect you.
She’s most likely a manipulator or a narcissist. I fell for that crap with one of the girls that friendzoned me. I fell for it because I’d never had experience with a woman who was a master manipulator. Now I’m skeptical about ALL women after that experience. Believe me when I tell you nothing will change if you hangout with her, you won’t date her or get to have sex, she’s just setting you up to be used down the road. All those guys that like her stuff? They were all in your position at one time, so just remember that. She’s trying to make you be one of them. Looking back on my experience it all makes so much sense now.Bro this is exactly what happened to me ... I’d rather just move on, I made my move she went all weird on me, and expects me too just stick around and be her mate .. not happening. I mean we was doing all the things that couples do except the sex ... like even now she keeps messaging asking what I’m up to and do I want to go on walks days out etc. It’s weird. She loves the attention. In fact she thrives off it, I now see it for what it is (breadcrumbs) even on social media it’s all about the likes. But she’s not even that pretty especially without the makeup. I’m not going to help her get on that pedestal ... she even has her very own minions (orbiters) that like everything she puts on social media .. like it’s the same people all the time ha ha.
Took me a while to realise this. But now I’m outside the box, can see it a mike off.
Watch the jealousy kick in once I meet someone else!
Definitely not... I had said "Note, this doesn't mean I fukk every girl I meet." I've struck out more times than I know. So - didn't mean to come across as bragging.I doubt this. You're trying to tell me that 100% of the women you meet and approach all have sex with you? I call BS.
You've definitely been friend-zoned. We all have.
You can project any kind of "energy" you want. If a woman decides she doesn't wanna fvck you, there is slim chance you can change that. I'm not saying it's impossible, but your odds are better spent on obtaining a new chick.
Usually I agree with you on things samspade.. but I don't know where you're going with things here. Maybe you're saying you don't "allow" women to friendzone you. Sure. Maybe you see it coming before it happens and eject.. that is a fair statement. But to say you've never been "friendzoned" ever and that it's "not in your vocabulary".. calm on man.
I've been here since 2007 and you've been here since 2008. We need to help these youngsters, not brag about ourselves. We all know you got game. You've proved that many times over.
This is gold brotha. This is really all we need to know about dating. Its simple but difficult to follow.Be aware most women are a rubix cube of emotion and indecision you could waste months or years trying to figure out wtf she wants , its just not worth going down the rabbit hole
Find one that wants to fvck you , and build the rest from there
I don't have any female friends I am attracted to. Over time, I have received few "Let's Just Be Friends" offers. The few I have received have all been rejected.I used to have 100% masculine interests and I was never friendzoned because I didn't bring anything to the table friends-wise to women. It really was dating or nothing. By friendzone I mean when they actually try to keep you around as friends, they had no reason to. I know a lot of guys in the construction business like this, they just rarely have female friends in general, much less friendzoned. Now, I have a lot of female friends and it happens often. I don't believe either way is better or worse.
I would boil this down to its essence. Is your relationship (however defined) with her a net positive, or negative, for you?I have this 1 female friend that I like and She knows it and plays on it all the time. Like we do things together and it’s just sad, for some reason I can’t break the cycle ... I’m like a proper simpleton .. she calls I run WTAF ha ha
I really need to just break away from it and move on but every time I do .. she messages me after like a week or 2 of absence to see what I’m up to and if I want to go to such a place ... she’s just dangling the carrot.
Now I don’t want to block her number as that comes off weak etc ..
I just really need to break this cycle somehow and move on to the next but don’t want come across as a douche.
She’s one of these that thrives of attention and validation. That’s more than enough for her.
As it’s stands right it’s obviously doing more harm than good because everything time we go out I’m expecting more and the time I’m putting into this could be put elsewhere, but then on the other side we go to nice places and it’s good to get out and see new places and I enjoy it etc ... but I defiantly want more. Honestly it’s the weirdest thing .. it’s like we do everything a couple would do minus the sex.I would boil this down to its essence. Is your relationship (however defined) with her a net positive, or negative, for you?
For me, if I decide it's causing more harm than good, I would put it on ice. I'd just stay busy and politely decline meeting with her. I don't think it's douchey to be busy, and I'd just tell her as much.
Or if she presses, I'd just tell her why. "But I don't want to seem butt-hurt!" some guys say. Who says you have to? It's a simple fact: I'm attracted, you're not, better that we don't hang out for now. Anything that comes out of your mouth can be framed from either a high value or low value position. As long as you can forget about any expectations, you can handle it however you like.
Gotcha. I think just staying busy (or "busy" even if not) is the best method. Which you will be. Besides, if she's your buddy she should understand.As it’s stands right it’s obviously doing more harm than good because everything time we go out I’m expecting more and the time I’m putting into this could be put elsewhere, but then on the other side we go to nice places and it’s good to get out and see new places and I enjoy it etc ... but I defiantly want more. Honestly it’s the weirdest thing .. it’s like we do everything a couple would do minus the sex.
I think I’m going to try and take a step back and be more busy with my time, hoping to get back in the gym this week or next as I’m not very well atm.
I’ve made some pretty big changes in the last few months with my lifestyle and very proud of that
My next phase is to get back into good shape and start dating again but I can’t do it when I’m being strung along by her if that makes sense.
I don’t want to cut ties completely but I just don’t want to be her go to simpleton guy who orbits and gives her the validation and attention she craves with nothing in return.
Just wanted some opinions on how to go about it without ghosting her really and still come across as alpha ha.
You be warned/careful. At some point, she’s going to drop that she’s dating someone else, and that news is going to hurt.I'm going thru similar as you Aesthetix29, it's like they keep us in a cloud of fog. Neither yes or no... just meh. I am trying to use the dissapointment/ anger about it to get fitter but its hard to stay focused and motivated lately.
Absolutely spot on. And the poor friendzoned guy believes that “Things will work out; it just needs time.” He’s convinced that she will fall in love with him and upgrade him from pseudo-boyfriend to full boyfriend if they spend enough time together (or in contact). But sadly, it’s never going to happen that way.I’ve only read the first couple pages of this thread due to time constraints, so the following comment may be relevant or may not.
I observe that the friend zone is a place where a woman’s “pseudo-boyfriends” are kept. Her male friend partially fulfills her desire for a boyfriend. He is a temporary stand-in, giving her a vague feeling of being desired in place of the empty feeling of having no man in her life. He can also be the pseudo-boyfriend when she’s not with her real boyfriend. In that case, she smooths out the spikes and valleys of loneliness by having her “friend” at her beck and call.
In short, she uses her male friends as a drug to numb her from the pain of fluctuating attention. If you are the “friend” of a woman, you are being used by her to avoid anxiety spikes.