Fabrication of "evidence" for collusion

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So, more presumption of guilt without evidence, data, or a crime?
Sounds like me as a cop writing someone a speeding ticket based only on the fact that they drive a red sports car. Didn’t see them speed. Didn’t get any complaints of speeding . But by golly you have a red sports car and you could speed in it so here is your ticket.
 

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So, more presumption of guilt without evidence, data, or a crime?
No, that would be accusing him of not being a citizen and repeatedly demanding his birth certificate, even after it had already been a public document for decades.
 

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No, that would be accusing him of not being a citizen and repeatedly demanding his birth certificate, even after it had already been a public document for decades.
Nice subject change.

Your premise is still that he is guilty of....something, while you have no evidence, data, or even a crime that occurred.

That is not how freedom works.
 

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It would show his business interests in places like Russia, China, and Saudi Arabia, which would then make it obvious he is making decisions to enrich his family while president, all at the expense of the people. Treason would be a better description than theft. What else could be expected from a lying draft dodger who loves to wave flags and cheer on the same military he was too cowardly to join in a time of war?
Okay, here's another thing I don't get. You obviously know that he has business interests in those countries, so it must be public knowledge. How hard can it be for a reporter to dig up more information? Surely there is more evidence than tax returns. I don't know how it is in Russia/China/Saudi Arabia, but real estate ownership in particular can be found with a few keystrokes in the USA. So even in countries with less public information, it can't be difficult to research. And at the very least, we know he has interests, do we not? So why do we need the tax returns to tell us what we already know? Does it matter if his hotel has 30 floors or 50 or if it's in Moscow vs. St. Petersburg?
 

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Nice subject change.

Your premise is still that he is guilty of....something, while you have no evidence, data, or even a crime that occurred.

That is not how freedom works.
Here's the funny thing: Congress doesn't need evidence of a crime to impeach a president. They can impeach Trump if they feel he has violated the public trust, or "colluded," which is what they keep saying. It's a political procedure, not criminal. So obviously they don't think it's advantageous to impeach him because it would probably blow up in their faces. I'm sure they'd rather kick him around for two more years so they can run on a "not Trump" ticket in 2020, which is the smarter move. Obviously if some damning evidence surfaces that would change the game, but people have been digging since he was elected. I think he's a pretty sloppy president when it comes to conflicts of interest, but nobody has found anything that they think is impeachable.
 

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