ElStud gives a little more advice on approaching.

[sodbuster]

Talking to women with a cold approach is a big deal? My son did that at age14 in Minneapolis. We were waiting for a table at Ruth Criss[in the bar] A table of women celebrating a birthday were nearby. While a couple were flirting with me[ok,I'll flirt,nothing better to do waiting for our table], I noticed one of them was hanging all over my son-all kinds of touchy feely. I mentioned to her friends that the boys are mine and the big one is 14. About 2 minutes later, she asked How old is your son? 14 About 2 minutes later, she had to go talk to my brother and tell my son"I can't believe you are only 14." so her friend would hear. I explained it to my son later,so he knows the difference between the 2 conversations[before and after 14].

He's 16 now and knows way more about women than you do El DUD. Except he hasn't posted here a thousand times thinking he knows enough to be a PUA instructor. Get a date once and think you're an expert.

 

[ElStud]

Hmm... you guys seem to like getting on other guys d*cks. Take it or don't. I could play the same game and look to your past post and criticize you but I'm not that type of guy. Stop being so freaking critical of others. The fact that you are so critical of others says something about your personality in real life. Like I said before, you guys' problems go beyond women.

 

[coolness89]

Hey ELSTUD..good post man, I appreciate it
F*** em haters

 

[theunflushables]

Sigh the negativity and immaturity of these boards. A lot of you guys have far more problems than women. Anyway, if you want to take it, take it. If you don't, then don't.


And what happens when your social circle leaves you man? See that's the problem. You'll also never really have a choice of what women you get, you just get whatever is in your "circle". But whatever works for you. This is a seduction forum though and one of the things emphasized in seduction, has always been cold approaching. Teaching us how to "Pick Up" women. Not how to get them in a social circle like every other or as you call "normal" guy.

And so basically you're saying, Mystery Method guys, RSD and basically almost every other seduction guy is NOT normal. Hmm... screw being normal, I want to be myself, I want to have choice and most of all, I like approaching women, so that's what I'll do.

And what about those guys who have no friends? See, that's the problem, you assume all guys "have" a social circle.

Mikey!!! I think you're getting close to your breakthrough. Look at this sentence

one of the things emphasized in seduction, has always been cold approaching

Notice you said "one of the things". You acknowledge that there is more than just approaching.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Elstud,

Great advice again -- anything that's an inspiration to do this is cool. I think that approaching girls and talking to them is just so much fun in itself.

I mean the idea of having to work a chick is just too much of a drag -- just approach and have fun and enjoy whatever sort of connection you can get and feel good about it. Following up is a b*tch. It's just AMAZING how much POSITIVE ENERGY you can get after approaching different girls -- even if you get rejected who cares?

 

[scribblec]

Elstud,

Great advice again -- anything that's an inspiration to do this is cool. I think that approaching girls and talking to them is just so much fun in itself.

I mean the idea of having to work a chick is just too much of a drag -- just approach and have fun and enjoy whatever sort of connection you can get and feel good about it. Following up is a b*tch. It's just AMAZING how much POSITIVE ENERGY you can get after approaching different girls -- even if you get rejected who cares?

wow el dud and the 40 year old virgin who lives with his mum are giving advice

BRILLIANT!!!

 

[Tao walker 2005]

Well I have a social circle... for ages it was just us lads then somehow these chicks started hanging out with us. All my mates started dating these ho's, tbh I think they're pretty ugly, but they got hot bodies and mad confident attitudes (they get pedastalled by my afc friends). Anyway, yeah I did try to sleep with some of them (not the ones dating my mates obviously, the left over ones) and now I got this reputation for being a "sleaze". A sleaze! in my own circle of friends I'm known as the "sleaze"!

I don't know how this happened, I've never said crude things to them or grabbed their azz or their teets, just you know got drunk and tried to mack them sometimes... well actually I do sort of know how it happened... I liked the alpha chick of this group and we were hooking up n stuff and then she starts seeing my mates bro (who was also nominally my mate) and so to undermine me he spreads all this gossip and bull**** about me (lies and bs, or else stuff that was said in confidence).

so now, whenever there are new prospects in my social circle, initially I get all buy signals because my look and my game are coming together a bit better these days, but then one of the skanky cheating ho's will take the prospect aside and say "he's a sleaze, stay away from him", or even worse, call me out in front of her (and everyone else) and say "be careful of him he just wants to f*ck you."

To make it worse my afc friends now look down on me as if I don't know what I'm doing because I'm blacklisted by these s!uts. It annoys me how a group of ugly, immoral, manipulative b*tches have more social cred than me in the circle that I helped build. So I don't give a f*ck, I've stopped hanging out with them (my old mates for more than 10 years).... I don't need treatment like that. I just focus on meeting girls outside my social circle, and my success rate is pretty good. So thanks for the advice el stud, guys in situations like mine appreciate it.

 

[SuavePlaya]

You don't need too cold approach, just socialise like crazy with anyone.
Pretty soon you can get into any group by knowing someone on a hello basis, this is why you be friends with lots of guys.

PUA is stupid, can't believe you guys honestly go out for the sole purpose of 'picking up' girls, that to me sound so, ludicrous.

If you don't have a circle, what are you doing here, go out.

I'am sure you don't know what a FR is and you been here since 07(oldschool). Yeah the sole purpose of going out is to be friends with alot of guys what a homo response. When you just get girls out of your social group it shows two things one you don't have the balls to approach a random chick and two you rely on your friends to you a girl. In the beginning its crucial to cold approach to get out your comfort zone. If you go automatically on the eye contact game will you have the balls to approach no! In your case oldschool you do neither your friends do it for you.

 

[ElStud]

I get the feeling, that you aren't really being yourself, you are just trying to force the persona of someone who is themselves and "omg alpha!" onto you. If so, it's quite ironic, seeing as that in itself makes you something you're not.

Just I hear it a lot here, like guys, in one breath, saying "be yourself," and then simultaneously, like "be a MAN! You have to be dominant and cool and fun!!!" But you see, if you don't have those attributes (forgetting I said be fun, because not being fun is usually just you being uptight/stifled) then by forcing them onto yourself you totally contradict yourself...

A lot of the supposed "must-haves" like decisiveness, dominance, alpha maledom, ROAR!!! aren't as must-have as you think. But as a side-note, if you are fun you will usually end up with the most power in a group because everyone wants to talk and be with you.

I don't know if it's worked for some of you guys, (and are you truly happy as to what you have become?) but forcing yourself to be what your not, just, doesn't seem right to me, and when I did, I was really unhappy because I didn't like being someone who I deep down knew I wasn't.

I kinda pick up a brainless mob kind of thing, like, "be alpha... BRAINS... be a man... BRAAAAAINS... be the prize... BRAINNNNS... I get what I want... BRAINSSSSS" (by the way, the whole brains thing was a zombie reference in case you thought I'd suddenly gone insane.) You can still be successful with women without forcing things upon yourself. Did you ever try just becoming comfortable opening up to a girl and being able to have a good time with her, instead of all the "I am a Don Juan, ROAAAR!!!!" You only become the "just a friend" when you do things to make her laugh specifically, e.g. trying. Think of it like the difference between having fun with a good friend, and trying to leave an impression/make someone like you by being fun.

I kinda started adressing ElStud, but then I kinda started speaking to anyone who is doing that. I mean, be honest with yourselves, are you trying to be something you're not?

I know people usually ignore my anti-"MUST BE DJ!!" posts, but surely you must know what I mean...

You know all man.

 

[sodbuster]

yep, 30 years ago when I was 19,I knew it all too. To you newbies, do a search of elstuds posts, read them and see if he should be posting any advice. Then search mine. See who you want to believe.

 

[ElStud]

yep, 30 years ago when I was 19,I knew it all too. To you newbies, do a search of elstuds posts, read them and see if he should be posting any advice. Then search mine. See who you want to believe.

Do and say what you got to man. It's from my experience and has worked for me. You may be older than me, but you're maturity is still that of a kid. I don't even want to know why you like riding other dudes d*cks so much. Not my problem though. They can take it or not. They take it they'll probably be better off, not only with women, but with themselves.

If there is one thing that is clear to me now, it's that you guys hating got far more problems than women.

 

[sodbuster]

Why do you think I'm angry or gay?Are you projecting your personal problems on me? Maybe you set off their "gaydar",so they talk to you but don't date you. I've read your previous posts,you don't have enough of a clue to get a date and turned bitter. So now approaching is the most important thing. Then you hold yourself out to be an expert by rephrasing the stuff you've read here[otherwise known as plagerism].

 

[bud_2005]

Don't take his advic3

 

[I'm in the Mood]

wow you guys type A LOT.

 

[oakraiderz2]

Do and say what you got to man. It's from my experience and has worked for me. You may be older than me, but you're maturity is still that of a kid. I don't even want to know why you like riding other dudes d*cks so much. Not my problem though. They can take it or not. They take it they'll probably be better off, not only with women, but with themselves.

If there is one thing that is clear to me now, it's that you guys hating got far more problems than women.

You regurgitate the same meaningless dribble. Heres what your responses consist of:

Asspirates
You know all
Youre immature
You know me
You like riding other guys

Will you for once, respond in somewhat of an educated manner seeing as you attend college, maybe?

 

[ElStud]

Like I said, you guys' problems are way bigger than women(Like the fact that you guys care so much and the fact that some of you guys PERSONALLY attack me). And I'm regurgetating or however the hell you spell it, take my advice or don't. End of discussion.

 

[theunflushables]

Yes, Mike, they are all PERSONALLY attacking you. They hate you so much that they take time out of their busy day just to post some bullsh1t about how you are some douchebag loser without offering ANY advice at all. Sorry Mike, but you aren't King Sh1t of Fvck Mountain. Let go of your precious ego for one goddamn minute and see that people are telling you to fvcking man up and prove to yourself that you can go out reguarly and get women before giving advice on how to get women. New people here have no need to read what you post for advice. They have the DJ Bible, which was written by credible people, not regurgitated by some kid trying to get some ego-masturbation over the internet.

And yes, I know you're going to say something like "but it's more than getting women". We know that, yeah there may be a few out there lurking that just want to fvck as many women as possible and thats all they live for, but 99.999% of the people here are striving to lead a Don Juan life. Not just a life of a common life of PUA who is only looking for sexual conquests.

Thing is Mike, you need to stop living in your little fantasy land where you are the lord and master of all and realize you are fallible just like everyone else. Get off your damn high horse and learn from those that have offered you advice.

 

[SuavePlaya]

Elstud, I personally hate you end of discussion.

 

[ElStud]

You guys need to forget about women, you've got bigger problems.

 

[Aragon034]

You guys need to forget about women, you've got bigger problems.

I feel the need to reiterate this old thread i dug up, and a specific post i made awhile back.

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?p=1473917#post1473917

I feel it still has merit.

KthxBai!