Do you agree with Tesla that humans are nothing more then advanced robots with no soul?

[Hacker]

He referred to humans as AUTOMATONS which means a machine that performs a function according to a predetermined set of coded instructions, especially one capable of a range of programmed responses to different circumstances. Tesla was a very intelligent man. There is no proof of a soul. Are we just robots and when we die we just rot away?

 

[Reincarnated]

In short, no, I don't agree with that perspective.

 

[Hacker]

In short, no, I don't agree with that perspective.

With that kinda username I would expect you not to lol

 

[kavi]

Recently I have come to believe in a 'soul' that rises to a higher dimension upon death. So no. There is some interesting studies on people who have had Near Death Experiences having weird electromagnetic effects like phones, watches, computers stop working. Some of these people also have very hightened emotional awareness and some even have healing abilities. Interestingly, the studies checked one person with healing abilites post NDE and compared to normal people she was able to impart some radiation on a water bottle from touching it. This phenomenon is called EME.

I was just reading about this yesterday, as I had some new ideas about these things that the AI i was using to help me called 'resonant frequency framework' but I may call it Primal Wave. Im starting to believe in all kinds of frequency/wave related [henomenon and its opened up a completely different way of looking at things. I think theres 'waves' evrywhere that effect humans and all life, there is some kind of underlying sychronization or affects-at-a-distance.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Tesla sounds like an ego-narcissist, hmmm is that why Edison out maneuvered him?

 

[Hacker]

Recently I have come to believe in a 'soul' that rises to a higher dimension upon death. So no. There is some interesting studies on people who have had Near Death Experiences having weird electromagnetic effects like phones, watches, computers stop working. Some of these people also have very hightened emotional awareness and some even have healing abilities. Interestingly, the studies checked one person with healing abilites post NDE and compared to normal people she was able to impart some radiation on a water bottle from touching it. This phenomenon is called EME.

I was just reading about this yesterday, as I had some new ideas about these things that the AI i was using to help me called 'resonant frequency framework' but I may call it Primal Wave. Im starting to believe in all kinds of frequency/wave related [henomenon and its opened up a completely different way of looking at things. I think theres 'waves' evrywhere that effect humans and all life, there is some kind of underlying sychronization or affects-at-a-distance.

Newer studies are showing that Near Death Experiences and Out of Body Experiences are located in sections of the brain. It is not turning out to be spiritual as some people have believed. I think you should read the recent studies done by scientists in which they can fully recreate an Out of Body experience when they press down on a certain section of the brain. I think you will find these new studies very interesting to read.

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

Soul is a bit of a pretentious term in my opinion so I guess more so than not

 

[kavi]

Newer studies are showing that Near Death Experiences and Out of Body Experiences are located in sections of the brain. It is not turning out to be spiritual as some people have believed. I think you should read the recent studies done by scientists in which they can fully recreate an Out of Body experience when they press down on a certain section of the brain. I think you will find these new studies very interesting to read.

No, it doesnt make sense.

Look at electromagnetic effect post NDE. People experiencing NDEs have these weird electromagnetic effects that cause electrical items to malfunction around them, along with other weirdness, for the rest of the their lives. This hints at some kind of 'wave' effect caused by the NDE.

Another point is that it is interesting that human consciousness, personality etc is one singular experience, one singular, centralised, coherent thing, while the body and brain are distributed masses. How does a distributed mass give rise to a singular localised coherent consciousness?

A good example I found is the Earths magnetic field, which comes from the core. The core of the earth is sphere, with no special directions on or points, it is a rather chaotic unstructured mass without order or direction, but the magnetic field it produces is a coherent, directional phenomenon, much like consciousness coming from the brain, or life coming from the universe. Order of Chaos, complexisty from simplicity.

We've known for centuries that compass needles point North, but why they do so is still a mystery. It's down to the Earth's magnetic field, of course, but exactly where this field comes from and how it behaves still isn't properly understood

Mysterious magnetism: From the Earth to the stars

Why does the Earth, as well as other planets and stars, have a magnetic field?

plus.maths.org

See, we dont know how the complex earth came from the chaotic big bang, how life evolved, how consciousness comes from the brain, infact, scientists dont even know how the Earth generates the magnetic field.

But all this is consistent with something like Resonance Frequency Framework, the idea that complexituy develops due to harmonic entaglement of energies of different frequencies. All that is requires is the existence of energy waves that we cannot see or experience on this 'dimension', Then, consciousness is just a type of wave phenomenon produced by the harmonic entaglement of energy frequencies produced by the body.

In Resonant Frequency Framework, or Primal Wave, the Universe is like a computer that wants to create complexity. Life and the Human Body is part of that. Consciousness emerges from lower level energy entaglement, at death, the energy moves into a higher dimension.

 

[Machine10033]

My human brain is too simple to understand the complexities of our universe... like how does something come from nothing... just a vast expanse of darkness... then create this universe which is in such perfect harmony that it allows life to flourish on a rock... protected by a layer of ozone.... not only does this life flourish but just by chance there is water, food, and these life forms can reproduce and continue to carry on....

I personally cannot fathom that this existence is just us winning the cosmic lottery.... so I believe there is more to us... when we pass on I don’t think we just vanish into the darkness.

 

[Hacker]

Why do we need food and sleep if we arent just robots? Thats basically a recharge and our fuel. If we have a soul then how come you cant leave your body right now. Its cause you dont have a soul.

 

[Aristippus]

I'm not really too sure about anything. I think there is much more to us and to this world than we can even come close to understanding. I believe in the possibility of a life after this one. I don't think this Earth is really our home. We aren't really well adapted to this environment. We are the only living things on this planet that can't survive without special clothing and climate control (fires, heating and a.c.).

It's very likely this isn't the "real" Earth but that the real Earth is either a planet in this physical universe or a place that exists in a "spiritual" universe for lack of a better word.
All of the world's religions speak of humanity being in a higher, more natural state of being and at some point there's a great fall and we find ourselves in a lower state of being. A shadow of our former selves.

Real people in a real place that just happens to not be our original home. Human beings have gone through great lengths to protect themselves from the harsh elements and create a bubble of comfort in spite of the discomforts inherent to living on this planet.

The only thing I can say for sure is that we are only temporary guests here. The only way we will know for sure if there is anything after this life is when we die. Death isn't really anything to be afraid of. Typically our fear of an experience is much worse than the experience itself. It's either eternal sleep and a rest well-deserved or the beginning of a new life in a better place and state of being.

 

[Hacker]

I'm not really too sure about anything. I think there is much more to us and to this world than we can even come close to understanding. I believe in the possibility of a life after this one. I don't think this Earth is really our home. We aren't really well adapted to this environment. We are the only living things on this planet that can't survive without special clothing and climate control (fires, heating and a.c.).

It's very likely this isn't the "real" Earth but that the real Earth is either a planet in this physical universe or a place that exists in a "spiritual" universe for lack of a better word.
All of the world's religions speak of humanity being in a higher, more natural state of being and at some point there's a great fall and we find ourselves in a lower state of being. A shadow of our former selves.

Real people in a real place that just happens to not be our original home. Human beings have gone through great lengths to protect themselves from the harsh elements and create a bubble of comfort in spite of the discomforts inherent to living on this planet.

The only thing I can say for sure is that we are only temporary guests here. The only way we will know for sure if there is anything after this life is when we die. Death isn't really anything to be afraid of. Typically our fear of an experience is much worse than the experience itself. It's either eternal sleep and a rest well-deserved or the beginning of a new life in a better place and state of being.

or it could be something that is totally unlike life or death...something new

 

[NoBiscuits]

Newer studies are showing that Near Death Experiences and Out of Body Experiences are located in sections of the brain. It is not turning out to be spiritual as some people have believed. I think you should read the recent studies done by scientists in which they can fully recreate an Out of Body experience when they press down on a certain section of the brain. I think you will find these new studies very interesting to read.

The religious have either avoided science or been pushed out of it since 1945 onward. Early scientists were independent thinkers who would discover and write down the laws of nature (understand God by understanding His creation). Many lived in poverty their whole lives and were recognized only after death while some born in the upper classes had support from donors or universities.
These scientists were motivated by natural truths and could often pursue their own curiosities (eg. growing their own backyard bean farm to test genetics).

To contrast, science today is a discipline of highly concentrated secular careerists looking to manipulate matter to reach some kind of predefined ends ("help humanity," so they like to tell themselves). Focus points are decided on in advance by a very small, well connected administrative staff that allocates funding with their political, military, and commercial priorities in mind (eg. National Academy of Sciences).
These scientists are motivated by their reputations and their salaries, and their objectives are decided on in advance.

So of course you're going to get studies like the one you mentioned. The logical endpoint of this behemoth of a corrupted process is nihilism. Yuval Harari (the "drugs and computer games" guy) will look at these studies and then make a TED talk discussing why everything we as humans find meaningful is just an illusion and the only thing that's real is money (he's a secular Jew). Then the public will accept this viewpoint because they just assume that science = truth and are completely oblivious to the apparatus behind how science actually functions. Most people just take scientists' words for what is truth simply because the scientists are scientists (ie. "smart people looked into it"). But the reputation science as a field has today is entirely built on on the prestige that early Christians in the 1700-1800s brought into the discipline that gave it its high reliability to begin with. Now that all the original caste of people and their traditions are gone and spent, the "Science" brand name is repurposed today as the literal Ministry of Truth.

(btw, Charles Darwin was still a Aglican when he was on the Beagle writing Origin of the Species, often getting bullied by shipmates for quoting the Bible as a source of moral authority. And Tesla himself came from a family whose fathers were Orthodox priests on both sides).

The bottom line here is that we're in a gigantic mess when it comes to pursuing truth because the credibility we expect from these institutions has been depleted (turns out it was the people themselves giving it credibility, not just the method itself). I expect to see more of this Harari-style Nihilism in the 21st century because that's what the big fish currently believe in.

Probably the best thing we can do for ourselves now is recognize the ocean of secular biased truth seeking we've been swimming in for over 100 years and start asking questions about what the before times were like. Do you agree with the general public's perception of religion as an almost cartoonishly stupid cult, occasionally useful for "helping humanity?" It's also politically incorrect to believe our ancestors knew what they were doing and had good reasons for it, too. How do you feel about that?

No, I don't agree with Tesla.

Tesla and Darwin made achievements in understanding the world going from a religious to a secular viewpoint. At the time, this was still novel. Today there is a largely untapped potential in pursuing truth when going from a secular to a religious viewpoint (or, more often, religious -> secular -> religious like CS Lewis). This break in orthodoxy, I believe, opens the mind.

Imagine what conclusions on the human soul Medieval monks could discover if they had modern STEM textbooks. They'd probably be a lot better than this "we're just a chemical reaction" garbage that's popular now. Now imagine what would happen if a rouge group of scientists today built a monastery and revisited the old literature these monks wrote (I'll tell you what would happen, they'd live in material poverty and be hated by the general public for the rest of their lives).

 

[Hacker]

The religious have either avoided science or been pushed out of it since 1945 onward. Early scientists were independent thinkers who would discover and write down the laws of nature (understand God by understanding His creation). Many lived in poverty their whole lives and were recognized only after death while some born in the upper classes had support from donors or universities.
These scientists were motivated by natural truths and could often pursue their own curiosities (eg. growing their own backyard bean farm to test genetics).

To contrast, science today is a discipline of highly concentrated secular careerists looking to manipulate matter to reach some kind of predefined ends ("help humanity," so they like to tell themselves). Focus points are decided on in advance by a very small, well connected administrative staff that allocates funding with their political, military, and commercial priorities in mind (eg. National Academy of Sciences).
These scientists are motivated by their reputations and their salaries, and their objectives are decided on in advance.

So of course you're going to get studies like the one you mentioned. The logical endpoint of this behemoth of a corrupted process is nihilism. Yuval Harari (the "drugs and computer games" guy) will look at these studies and then make a TED talk discussing why everything we as humans find meaningful is just an illusion and the only thing that's real is money (he's a secular Jew). Then the public will accept this viewpoint because they just assume that science = truth and are completely oblivious to the apparatus behind how science actually functions. Most people just take scientists' words for what is truth simply because the scientists are scientists (ie. "smart people looked into it"). But the reputation science as a field has today is entirely built on on the prestige that early Christians in the 1700-1800s brought into the discipline that gave it its high reliability to begin with. Now that all the original caste of people and their traditions are gone and spent, the "Science" brand name is repurposed today as the literal Ministry of Truth.

(btw, Charles Darwin was still a Aglican when he was on the Beagle writing Origin of the Species, often getting bullied by shipmates for quoting the Bible as a source of moral authority. And Tesla himself came from a family whose fathers were Orthodox priests on both sides).

The bottom line here is that we're in a gigantic mess when it comes to pursuing truth because the credibility we expect from these institutions has been depleted (turns out it was the people themselves giving it credibility, not just the method itself). I expect to see more of this Harari-style Nihilism in the 21st century because that's what the big fish currently believe in.

Probably the best thing we can do for ourselves now is recognize the ocean of secular biased truth seeking we've been swimming in for over 100 years and start asking questions about what the before times were like. Do you agree with the general public's perception of religion as an almost cartoonishly stupid cult, occasionally useful for "helping humanity?" It's also politically incorrect to believe our ancestors knew what they were doing and had good reasons for it, too. How do you feel about that?

No, I don't agree with Tesla.

Tesla and Darwin made achievements in understanding the world going from a religious to a secular viewpoint. At the time, this was still novel. Today there is a largely untapped potential in pursuing truth when going from a secular to a religious viewpoint (or, more often, religious -> secular -> religious like CS Lewis). This break in orthodoxy, I believe, opens the mind.

Imagine what conclusions on the human soul Medieval monks could discover if they had modern STEM textbooks. They'd probably be a lot better than this "we're just a chemical reaction" garbage that's popular now. Now imagine what would happen if a rouge group of scientists today built a monastery and revisited the old literature these monks wrote (I'll tell you what would happen, they'd live in material poverty and be hated by the general public for the rest of their lives).

I agree with your statement about the studies getting funding money from the organization that benefits but that still doesnt account for that when scientists press on a certain part of the brain that an out of body experience happens to that person. You avoided the question like a master politican lol. I think you should go into politics if you arent in it already. I mean this seriously

 

[Kotaix]

He referred to humans as AUTOMATONS which means a machine that performs a function according to a predetermined set of coded instructions, especially one capable of a range of programmed responses to different circumstances. Tesla was a very intelligent man. There is no proof of a soul. Are we just robots and when we die we just rot away?

To a certain degree, this is true. Our bodies build and run themselves as machines according to the programming of DNA.

There are very good arguments for the universe being a simulation.

But none of that is reason to stop trying.

 

[Aristippus]

When you close your eyes and dream during sleep, none of what you see and experience is external. That doesn't mean that we don't have external experiences. In the same way, just because a scientist can do something to your brain to let you have something similar to a near death experience doesn't mean there aren't similar external places and experiences when we die.....You, like the rest of us, need to go back to square one because none of us really know much about anything.

 

[Hacker]

When you close your eyes and dream during sleep, none of what you see and experience is external. That doesn't mean that we don't have external experiences. In the same way, just because a scientist can do something to your brain to let you have something similar to a near death experience doesn't mean there aren't similar external places and experiences when we die.....You, like the rest of us, need to go back to square one because none of us really know much about anything.

I do agree with you that we dont know much about anything but it is pretty obvious what happens to a dead person. Theres no fairytale ending. The person literally rots away and the your organs stop working. Your have no senses so therefore you dont exist anymore. There is ZERO proof a soul throughout human history. Another thing I wanna point out if if there is an afterlife then how come people cant come back right now and tell us what it is like. The fact that dead people dont cme back and tell us what it is like means theres a great chance that there is nothing after death. Btw near death experiences are people that were not fully dead. Lets hear from a person that was dead for a week what it was like. You will never get that answer cause theres nothing after death.

 

[Aristippus]

I'm not trying to be "right" or "correct" on this one. I definitely don't believe in deferring enjoyment of life until some nebulous afterlife. I'm willing to consider all possibilities including there not being another life after this one. Perception is a funny thing.

Even if some people have a brain-induced near death experience, they wouldn't know any better so even if it were make believe it feels real enough from a subjective point of view. Their last memory before the darkness would be a heavenly paradise, if the brain goes through a near death experience phase before shutting down.

 

[Aristippus]

The more you reflect on perception the less you fear death.....This doesn't mean you have a death wish. It just means that the idea that one day you will die doesn't bother you any more.

 

[tksniper]

I believe without self love and the WILL to transcend your current conditions, you are nothing more than an NPC (non playable character).

I don’t think you are born with a soul. I believe you have to earn the right to be right to be soulful.

To me it doesn’t matter if all of the us were created by God or if it was all an accident, you still have the opportunity to develop character. You can be more.

So instead of trying to discover our “origins” (which is impossible unless you died and went to heaven and came back and are able to tell us universal truths), why not try to be something great?

So how will you choose to define yourself?

Stop placing responsibility on God or science.

Take accountability to become great in all endeavors just for the sake of greatness.

Humans beings have the ability to define themselves regardless of the mysteries of the universe.