(this whole thread is making the theoretical assumption that you've found a girl with enough conviction to hold off on these things and no amount of your game could overcome it.)
the title says it all, what is the maximum amount of dates/time/interactions you'll go on with a girl without getting a kiss before you next/backburner/friendzone her? ok, same question but with sex instead?
personally I don't think I'd wait more than 2 and 5(for each question respectively) dates normally,
1 and 3 for special circumstances(known slvts, exes, friends first, met online on like POF or OKC, etc.)
maybe 3 and 6 for other special circumstances(errrr mainly things like meeting her in church or finding an HB9.5+ or a celebrity like kate upton or something)
how does a "church girl" end up with the same "special circumstances" as a 9.5?
why does a 9.5 get special treatment?
This is whats wrong with your mindsets right here guys. SHE DOES NOT DESERVE SPECIAL TREATMENT JUST BECAUSE SHE IS HOT.
in fact its this SPECIAL TREATMENT that will guarantee you never get the "special 9.5". Treat her like she's a 3.5. then you might see results.
how does a "church girl" end up with the same "special circumstances" as a 9.5?
why does a 9.5 get special treatment?
This is whats wrong with your mindsets right here guys. SHE DOES NOT DESERVE SPECIAL TREATMENT JUST BECAUSE SHE IS HOT.
in fact its this SPECIAL TREATMENT that will guarantee you never get the "special 9.5". Treat her like she's a 3.5. then you might see results.
a 9.5 gets slightly special treatment because well
you don't get to bang a 9.5 everyday
whereas you can walk down the street and see an abundance of 6's, most of which you could easily bang
if you walk down the street and see an abundance of 9.5's you either live on hollywood boulevard or need to up your standards
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She wasn't the only one I was seeing mind you. I wasn't an AFC at the time but looking back I could have done a few things differently. She lived a little ways away, we had a half-long distance thing going, didn't see her too much, talked and texted a lot though. She was only liked to make out and dry hump and stuff, I actually told I felt like I was back in junior high.
She was fun to hang out with though, witty, cool, HB9. She just wasn't sexual, and nothing worked with her. I actually didn't mind it too much, the blue balls sucked but I considered it a challenge. In the end the sex was pretty bad, it just wasn't her thing, I tried a few things with her but she just couldn't get into it. I saw why she held out so long. Even after we initially had sex she didn't want to do it too much, it was selfish of her, so I ended up breaking it off.
1. If I am into the girl, I make out with her on the first date. I always have. Most girls can get drunk and make out with some random guy at the bar and they never buy her a drink. I'm paying for dinner...and I'm kissing her if I'm into her. If for whatever reason I don't kiss her by the end of our second date, I lose interest.
2. Sex? Probably by the fifth date. These don't even have to be actual dates...just things like her coming over to my place to watch a movie or meeting up with friends for a night out. Pretty much the fifth time we hang out. If we've hung out 8-10 times and I still haven't hit it, I will bail.
For the kiss, the maximum I wait is two dates. If nothing after two dates, she's history (although I can't remember the last time I didn't get a kiss by the second date)
For sex, it's usually on the third or fourth date. I've made women wait for sex for up to two months, but that was mostly when I was looking for someone long term. Although it gives really good results, I'm not doing that anymore.
3 dates maximum for a kiss but in reality it would do 2 since I use the kiss as a benchmark of interest, however in many cases girls which considered me a player checked me.
For sex I can wait even 2 weeks as long as she show interest and entusiam whenever we meet and she allows a slow but progressive escalation, you can tell when she push you away cause she doesnt like you from when she pushes you away to not look like a slvt, usually in that case she let you touch for a couple of second before "noticing" that you are touching her breast.
So as a general rule would say 2-3 dates for a kiss and 5 dates for sex.
Let it be obvious that I would still go with other girls, I see no agreement untill she give herself to me.
I do not have any rules, I go until I am bored, usually it is kiss on first date, and sex by second; but I have waited 3 months with some too.
It is all about having options, I would say the following: as long as it takes you to get annoyed from it, as soon as it gets annoying, then you next her.
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I always found sechs to happen around the 3rd-4th date. If I don't see it happening by the 5th-6th date, I bail. Girls that put it off like that have got issues from their past that they haven't resolved.
I do not have any rules, I go until I am bored, usually it is kiss on first date, and sex by second; but I have waited 3 months with some too.
It is all about having options, I would say the following: as long as it takes you to get annoyed from it, as soon as it gets annoying, then you next her.
There are no rules. It is a useless exercise to think "ok, I'll give it three dates with this one, I better get that kiss."
Plain and simple, you trust your gut and your interest level in the girl. If you like her AND your gut says things will go forward soon enough, you persevere. If not, you go to your other options. Because you DO have other options, right?
I run into an old FB of mine one night out at a bar. One thing leads to another and we go back to her place to have sex. Afterwards we are chatting and she tells me she has been dating some guy for 2 months. She has been withholding sex from him because he was "boyfriend" material. Things like this don't even phase me anymore, I have numerous stories like that.
Girls will put you in one of 2 categories, lover or provider. All you guys that go out on dinner dates and spend money on women, guess which one you're being put in?
And I'll also note that this girl is religious. She attends church every Sunday and is always posting stuff about God on her Facebook page. Posts about having faith and blah blah blah...
