Creatine & Hair loss

[EyeBRollin]

You'd be surprised. Humans have lived off of carnivore/keto diets for thousands of years.

Doesn’t make it good learn term. We used to be dead before today’s modern life expectancy.

Extreme diets are no good. Carnivore / keto are especially bad.

 

[RickTheToad]

That's the whole point. It's not a prescription drug. You don't know anything more than a random person or anyone else who has done some research on it and I will guarantee that's probably far less than what I've done.

This concept most people have that doctors are nutrition experts, diet experts, natural medicine experts, etc etc etc as nauseum is ridiculous. They don't spend jack sh!t of their time of any of that in their studies. Why? Because the AMA sets that.

They wouldn't ask a plumber to go fix their car but somehow they think doctors are this one stop ship for everything under the sun.

Now prescription drugs on the other hand...

Go hang out with your big pharma buddies buying you trips and lunches and tickets to sporting events and Broadway shows and leave these discussions for people that actually know WTF they are talking about.

I work in the ER, so relax. I know more than many. Don't get your panty's all up in a bunch; and I don't hang out with pharma bros ask you call it.

 

[RickTheToad]

Doesn’t make it good learn term. We used to be dead before today’s modern life expectancy.

Extreme diets are no good. Carnivore / keto are especially bad.

I would agree to a point. However, a 80/20 or 70/30 keto diet can be fine long term in my personal opinion. I've been on it since 2016; no issues.

 

[Money & Muscle]

if you are not drinking double or triple the amount of water you normally drink, you will become dehydrated.

Interesting you say this, because I can find absolutely 0 evidence to support this, and I have not experienced this personally.

What do I know, I'm just a PA.

See, if you had evidence that supported your claims, you could then also rely on credibility from authority. But since you have no evidence and still decided to use the authority position, it now makes me question both your credentials and position.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I would agree to a point. However, a 80/20 or 70/30 keto diet can be fine long term in my personal opinion. I've been on it since 2016; no issues.

The fact you are more worried about your health taking creatine versus following a long term keto diet is mind boggling.

 

[EyeBRollin]

I would agree to a point. However, a 80/20 or 70/30 keto diet can be fine long term in my personal opinion. I've been on it since 2016; no issues.

The benefits of carnivore / keto are from the elimination of white sugar and refined carbohydrates. This can be done to the exact same effect without the exclusion of vegetables and fiber-rich carbohydrates.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

The benefits of carnivore / keto are from the elimination of white sugar and refined carbohydrates. This can be done to the exact same effect without the exclusion of vegetables and fiber-rich carbohydrates.

Excluding vegetables is like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

 

[RickTheToad]

Interesting you say this, because I can find absolutely 0 evidence to support this, and I have not experienced this personally.


See, if you had evidence that supported your claims, you could then also rely on credibility from authority. But since you have no evidence and still decided to use the authority position, it now makes me question both your credentials and position.

That's okay. Freedom of choice. Going by personal experience and what I've observed. Proceed as you wish. Just adding my .02 cents. It's worth what you've paid for it.

The benefits of carnivore / keto are from the elimination of white sugar and refined carbohydrates. This can be done to the exact same effect without the exclusion of vegetables and fiber-rich carbohydrates.

Excluding vegetables is like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

30% veggies and some fruits. I've never said to cut out veggies. There's really a lot to select and keep a nice variety.

Keto Friendly Vegetables List

When it comes to keto, it can be tricky to know which veggies are low in carbs. Discover Atkins list of keto friendly vegetables to help you stay on your diet.

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Your Guide To Keto-Friendly Fruits And Veggies

Eat more of these!

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Keto Vegetables – The Visual Guide to the Best and Worst – Diet Doctor

What vegetables should you eat on a keto diet? Above ground vegetables are lower in carbs and a great option. Below ground vegetables (root vegetables) aren't as good. Avocado, tomatoes, cabbage, cauliflower, broccoli, and olives are good for a keto diet.

www.dietdoctor.com

I make deserts too. There's really a world one can explore within the keto realm. As a dude who went from 350+ lbs to around 178 (I've been as low as 156 lbs); I can attest that my numbers are perfect and all is well. However, if someone else wants to do their own thing; that's cool too. Been doing this for over 8 years, and I'm doing pretty good. Again, this is my experience. I am not suggesting or recommending it for anyone else.

 

[DonBig]

The benefits of carnivore / keto are from the elimination of white sugar and refined carbohydrates. This can be done to the exact same effect without the exclusion of vegetables and fiber-rich carbohydrates.

This is actually partially true, it’s only one piece of the pie consisting of many. But I see that you learned something from my previous post, but knowledge is still lacking in that Field

Overall I agree more with rickthetoad.

I don’t prefer long term keto though, but rather animal based including rice, fruits, honey and potatoes as carb source

 

[DonBig]

Interesting you say this, because I can find absolutely 0 evidence to support this, and I have not experienced this personally.


See, if you had evidence that supported your claims, you could then also rely on credibility from authority. But since you have no evidence and still decided to use the authority position, it now makes me question both your credentials and position.

How can’t you find any evidence about it? Work on your research skills. It’s basic research to find that information

But no offence only People who are gifted can comprehend most studies. Certainly this thread lacks it. So many variables that People can’t see, you could literally accuse some guys here as *unintentional* murderer, one of the mods included when it comes to advice.

 

[Money & Muscle]

How can’t you find any evidence about it?

Can you? The only information I found when searching creatine + dehydration was saying that it does the opposite. You're welcome to prove me wrong.

People without a medical or science degree/professional experience should shut up and when it comes to health

That's a very dangerous position to take.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I work in the ER, so relax. I know more than many. Don't get your panty's all up in a bunch; and I don't hang out with pharma bros ask you call it.

Let me ask you this.

How many people have you treated in the ER for Creatine related issues versus people you have treated for Prescription Drug related issues?

I'm going to bet it's at least 500:1 in favor of Prescription drugs if not more like 1000:1

 

[RickTheToad]

Can you? The only information I found when searching creatine + dehydration was saying that it does the opposite. You're welcome to prove me wrong.


That's a very dangerous position to take.

Refs:

Creatine

Find out how creatine might affect your athletic performance and how the supplement interacts with other drugs.

www.mayoclinic.org

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Common questions and misconceptions about creatine supplementation: what does the scientific evidence really show? - Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition

Supplementing with creatine is very popular amongst athletes and exercising individuals for improving muscle mass, performance and recovery. Accumulating evidence also suggests that creatine supplementation produces a variety of beneficial effects in older and patient populations. Furthermore...

jissn.biomedcentral.com

Creatine Supplements - OrthoInfo - AAOS

Many athletes, including some children and adolescents, take creatine supplements because they think it will increase strength and improve sports performance. There is currently no conclusive evidence that creatine supplements improve performance for sports activities.

orthoinfo.aaos.org

Are Creatine and Liquid IV Safe for Teen Athletes?

Many young athletes are taking the supplements to boost performance and improve hydration. Many parents wonder: are they safe?

www.uhhospitals.org

Creatine Use and Exercise Heat Tolerance in Dehydrated Men

Context: Creatine monohydrate (CrM) use is highly prevalent in team sports (eg, football, lacrosse, ice hockey) and by athletes at the high school, college, professional, and recreational levels. Concerns have been raised about whether creatine use is ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I will also state, every person is different, and just because it happens to one, doesn't mean it will happen to others. I will further state that the quality of creatine probably is important as well.

 

[RickTheToad]

Let me ask you this.

How many people have you treated in the ER for Creatine related issues versus people you have treated for Prescription Drug related issues?

I'm going to bet it's at least 500:1 in favor of Prescription drugs if not more like 1000:1

The stories I can tell people of what I've seen and shown. I've treated many due to dehydration issues. I do not recall how many had high creatinine levels, but the blood work usually has those tracked; especially with kidney function issues.

 

[Money & Muscle]

I've treated many due to dehydration issues. I do not recall how many had high creatinine levels, but the blood work usually has those tracked; especially with kidney function issues.

This is a fair observation, but creatinine levels are also often elevated by those who do weightlifting - particularly hypertrophy. My creatinine levels were above the reference range for my last 3-4 blood tests and I was not supplementing creatine during any of those times.

It absolutely can point to poor kidney function, but that alone is not good indicator of kidney function issues - situation dependent.

 

[RickTheToad]

This is a fair observation, but creatinine levels are also often elevated by those who do weightlifting - particularly hypertrophy. My creatinine levels were above the reference range for my last 3-4 blood tests and I was not supplementing creatine during any of those times.

It absolutely can point to poor kidney function, but that alone is not good indicator of kidney function issues - situation dependent.

Completely agree that it's data and person to person dependent. What works for Rickthetoad may or may not work for Money & Muscle or EyeBRollin.

 

[EyeBRollin]

The stories I can tell people of what I've seen and shown. I've treated many due to dehydration issues. I do not recall how many had high creatinine levels, but the blood work usually has those tracked; especially with kidney function issues.

I know as a black person we have higher blood protein levels and are at higher risk for kidney disease. I’ve never tried creatine. Fortunately, my creatinine and all blood protein levels are in the normal reference range. I do strength training twice a week. Nothing too crazy.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

The stories I can tell people of what I've seen and shown. I've treated many due to dehydration issues. I do not recall how many had high creatinine levels, but the blood work usually has those tracked; especially with kidney function issues.

Yes. And considering the average person is in a near state of dehydration as their baseline state every day why would this be surprising?

3-5g of creatine only necessitates an extra 8 ounces of water over your normal intake.

If people are being dehydrated from that is shows how perilously close they are to being dehydrated just as a function of their daily inability to monitor their fluid intakes properly.

Would be like blaming the car from running out of gas when they tried to drive 50 miles with the tank on E.

It's their own fault for not making sure they have enough gas in the car. Just like it's their fault for not drinking enough water to stay hydrated.

There is a reason why the thirst signal is so weak in many people that it's interpreted as a hunger signal...because it's their default state.