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Blackpill: What is the endgame?

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I was watching a blackpill video earlier today, and I was wondering what the endgame was for blackpillers? Like any other philosophy, they make some good points here and there, but I don't buy into it myself. But let's say okay, they're right about everything. Let's say it's all about looks and you don't fit the mold. Then what?

What are they advising their flock to do? Just forget about women because they'll never have success with them? Focus on other things in life that they can be successful at? Max out their looks? Just give up? What's their point?
 

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Most people I know who have a deep insecurity like this cannot help but manifest it at some point or another and that manifestation can be at all depths, from being passive aggressive to outright aggressive, but most men I know with deep insecurities attempt to Band-Aid with conquest, and channel this conquest through passive aggressive means, if they were actually aggressive socially they'd probably get what they want.

Stone walling, Sarcasm, Feigning Agreement and Deflection are the basics of passive aggression, there is also more active forms like gossiping about others socially or making excuses actively using a combination of the basics.

But I digress, the goal of the insecure is to impede others at all junctures, which typically means securing a quick route to some form of power.

So, in conclusion, I think the end game of Black Pill is to put off self development or use it just enough to gain power and then wildly and wickedly abuse it and once exposed, use passive aggression to avoid.

I'm sure there are those who came to power and "Bottomed Out" of Black Pill, but they have to face their faults at some point, but those who do bottom out unquestionably have their identities attached to whatever power they managed to secure.

Black Pill= Power
Red Pill= Purpose

Yes there is a difference
 
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But let's say okay, they're right about everything. Let's say it's all about looks and you don't fit the mold. Then what?
If the Blackpill is truth. And one doesn’t ‘fit the mold’. That doesn’t negate the truth of the Blackpill. If looks are all. And one is deficient in looks. The Blackpill should motivate one to up their looks. Whether softmaxxing. Fashionmaxxing, gymmaxxing, loosing weight, cosmetic surgery….
Very few men are so fvcked that they can’t get at least a point of SMV by trying.
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‘Blackpills’ are just extremely nihilistic Redpills, who don’t attempt to ‘change the world’ or spread their message or overthrow anything; one could describe them as ‘too far down the rabbit hole’. Again they could be ‘red pilled’ about any number of topics; race, religion, sex, politics, etc.
 

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What are they advising their flock to do? Just forget about women because they'll never have success with them? Focus on other things in life that they can be successful at? Max out their looks? Just give up? What's their point?
that's a useful question.

it is about validation and pain from lack of the same. it is how any mob works, those together validate each other as correct and that feels good even if the message is negative. being recognized as correct is powerful stuff.

there is no recommended solution, and that is why it's toxic.

like most things that get that much traction, in some ways it is true and we tell that over and over while complaining about it. in some ways red pill is simply a black pill and a refusal to accept it, instead, keep fighting and create away or find a way. yes, it is not fair, ok.

some money is being made selling the ideas...

black pill, just die.
red pill, put up a hell of a fight before dying.
blue pill, die slowly.
 

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Blackpill is the equivalent of whiny emo kids. Its endgame is to make sure that everyone else knows how miserable and unlucky the sufferer is, with the hopes of making everyone else miserable too. Technically speaking it doesn't have an endgame, it IS an endgame.
 

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So after reading some of the replies here, it sounds like the endgame is:
1) to blame the world for their problems
2) to wallow in self pity. I guess there might be some comfort in sharing their woes.

If you really believe blackpill, I question the value of looksmaxxing. Because they're always talking about scientific studies showing the appeal of eyebrows at various angles and whatnot. Seems like they're saying that you either win the genetic lottery or you don't.

But even so, I still wonder: Okay, you're ugly. Then what? Lurk in the dark? Wear a bag over your head? Work on your serum to cure cancer?
 

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So after reading some of the replies here, it sounds like the endgame is:
I've been looking at the replies too. Most (not all) of the people who replied, I know from their past posts are up there on the looks-scale and will be unable to empathize with guys who are looks deficient. That's the problem with society as a whole is people's realities are so drastically different that they can't imagine things in a different way other than their own experience. This goes across the board, and this is why things are so divided.

The type of guys who would be struggling didn't reply at all to your thread because they understand where they are coming from. It's hard to have constructive dialogue in any topic when people can't empathize with another guys' reality. The real question should be how do you expect to cope if you are not meeting women, getting ignored, wasting all sorts of time?
 
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While I think a lot of those guy's are more "sour grape" folks, there's some truth that we can't deny.

We put up with behaviors from women that we'd never tolerate from a fellow man. At least with family, we can some-what rationalize our sell-out toleration; due to keeping harmony within. However with women, we aren't locked by blood-line, but instead, we voluntarily tolerate immaturity and poor behavior for the trade-off of companionship or a warm bed.

Face it. As bitter of a pill as it is to swallow, we (self-included) are enslaved to some degree.

Here's where I'm different from the Black Pill folks: I love women, but recognizing that their mental-biology is wired so differently, I don't *like* most of them very much.
 
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Most (not all) of the people who replied, I know from their past posts are up there on the looks-scale and will be unable to empathize with guys who are looks deficient. That's the problem with society as a whole is people's realities are so drastically different that they can't imagine things in a different way other than their own experience.
I do think that some guys looks problems are such that they aren't going to be fixed by simply dressing better and going to the gym. Anyone can improve by doing those things. Just for some guys they probably still aren't going to be very desirable. I remember one poster here thought any looks problem could be solved by plastic surgery. I don't know about that, look at a lot of stars who have had plastic surgery, some of them look like they've been butchered.

What do you think the endgame of blackpill is? Once they take it, what is their next move?

Here's where I'm different from the Black Pill folks: I love women, but recognizing that their mental-biology is wired so differently, I don't *like* most of them very much.
Here's where I'm different from most guys here. I love women, and I like a lot of them too.
 

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I was watching a blackpill video earlier today, and I was wondering what the endgame was for blackpillers? Like any other philosophy, they make some good points here and there, but I don't buy into it myself. But let's say okay, they're right about everything. Let's say it's all about looks and you don't fit the mold. Then what?

What are they advising their flock to do? Just forget about women because they'll never have success with them? Focus on other things in life that they can be successful at? Max out their looks? Just give up? What's their point?
They advise their flock to give up.To allow themselves to be controlled by uncontrollables. I find it interesting how beholden they are to looks(which I admit are important to a degree)and yet some black pillers I’ve seen are not bad looking at all.

That tells me it’s a character deficiency on their part.What makes it even more amusing for me is that I’ve seen not so attractive guys with hot women,not so tall guys with hot women,not so rich guys with hot women....you get the idea.

That said, I am glad to say that I do not know what exactly their endgame is,nor do I want to.
 

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I still love interacting with women to a certain degree, I still enjoy the idea of spending time with women on dates, I still enjoy listening to women share their thoughts and emotion with me, and I especially enjoy having sex with them.

However, I don't tolerate most of their BS. I only allow an absolute percentage of drama/BS/disrespect from women, and when the line is crossed, I walk away and don't look back. I don't argue. I don't call them names. I don't "fight" with them. I just walk away, if my previous verbal warnings/conversations (not "arguments") didn't work.

So what does that make me? What "pill" am I?
 
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I do think that some guys looks problems are such that they aren't going to be fixed by simply dressing better and going to the gym. Anyone can improve by doing those things. Just for some guys they probably still aren't going to be very desirable. I remember one poster here thought any looks problem could be solved by plastic surgery. I don't know about that, look at a lot of stars who have had plastic surgery, some of them look like they've been butchered.

What do you think the endgame of blackpill is? Once they take it, what is their next move?


Here's where I'm different from most guys here. I love women, and I like a lot of them too.
The end game is more of an honest cope rather than a fake redpill denial type cope. To be in the blackpill you have to be dissillusioned with red pill to the point its just another dead end like the blue pill.

In this sense, for example, I am not pursuing anyone, not sending out likes or messages online, not even talking to any girl. I may look at some porn or like to take in the energy and voice of female music artists or actresses on screen so I still like women. So you could say I would fit the profile of a blackpiller and am currently in that end game. But there are allot of other issues and I am very much mentally engaged in allot of things anyway that its not somerhing that is bothering me. I am still debating about the vaccine for example.
 

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The blackpill began with failed PUA students. Many of these guys spent thousands of dollars attending bootcamps and doing hundreds of cold approaches with nothing to show for it. These men began trading notes and congregating online and the forum PUAHate was created to debunk PUA and expose frauds within the PUA industry.

The endgame is realization. You realize that women want men with certain physical attributes and if you don't possess these attributes the red pill is a dead end for you. Ugly unwanted men are left to betabux or become clowns to entertain women. Many sub 5/10 men see their available options and they bow out of the game. Debating "normies" or "chads" is a waste of time because privilege is invisible to those who have it.

For example let's say you're a 5'3 balding arab guy working in silicone valley. Red pillers will tell you to get on your purpose, hit the gym, do nofap, and maintain masculine frame. Black pillers will tell you to move back to Saudia Arabia and get an arranged marriage.
 

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I guess plastic surgery or moving too a location where you are desirable? (not sure if that qualifies as 'end game' but I guess that's the solution for many until the point where you're so old and aren't gonna be getting laid with hot young girls no matter what colour pill you take)

The blackpill began with failed PUA students
Yes, a lot of peple don't realise that. Lots of blackpilled types know a lot more about PUA and game than people realise! They get told 'take a shower and learn mystery method' without realising they've already read that book among others. They tried and failed and decided 'ahhh, ok. It basically works when you're kind of her type, otherwise she doesn't give a **** about your negs or your pushpulls lnes or how confident and charasmatic you are''

I don't even identify with them as I still cold approach very weekend, and get laid from it and don't completely dismiss game. But you just can't deny a lot of what they say is true. Funnily enough a lof of them (the good looking ones, some of who had very extensive surgery) even provide more proof of slaying than most pua guys! Not all blackpill guys are incels. Some blackpillers are just handsome slayers who think their success comes 100% from thheir looks. And some of these dudes ARE weird but their looks carry them through which kind of goes against some fairly established beliefs. Although in fairness, that tends to be through tinder as opposed to cold approach
 
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From what I can tell there really is no "end game" so much as it is just nonstop complaining about how terrible women are and about how nothing works for them. Most of the epiphanies of black pill are honestly just red pill. There is a lot of overlap as far as the realization of women's true nature. The difference is the black piller has determined that there is no method they can use to get women and they have lost all hope but still want women - red pill always focuses on the man himself and making himself the best version of himself he can be in spite of any negative traits women have. Black pillers are separated from MGTOW in that they still want women - they just don't have them.

What you are left with is a lot of negativity when it comes to black pill - most of needless. Sure, women are going to be attracted to good looking, well established socially and financially men. This isn't news. But most men are not so deficient that they can't get women. I question expectation level with a lot of these guys.
 
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