Assessing Tom Torero's Death Two Years on

[BaronOfHair]

Not more so than Andrew Tate.

That cobra is in a cage now

 

[BaronOfHair]

dating coaches have been under ridicule for years now- Tom Torero's was the first time someone actively destroyed all modes of his income simultaneously though

Yeah, this went beyond simple ridicule and into full blown cancellation. Card Carrying Red Pillers will interpret this as "proof" that we live in A Blue Pill Gynocentric Social Order, which has been set up for the express purpose of screwing over men. That argument doesn't hold up, once one also recognizes that women who consider themselves in some capacity(Debbie Soh, Laura Kipnis, Meghan Murphy, most recently Lindsay Ellis)have also been targeted for Cancellation, after they dared to utter heretical thoughts one too many times in public

The real problem here: Free Speech is on the ropes, in EVERY corner of our civilization, and disconcertingly few of us are willing to champion it openly

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Most Tate, et al PUA readers:

 

[Isildur1]

well the thing is, 'chase' would tell you that his 'hit rate' is basically 100% which changes the maths! haha
He's from the oldschool PUA group of 'coaches'/writers etc, still trying to pander to the most gulible and desperate aspiring PUA's who will still believe that you can use verbal magic (in the forms of negs and NLP etc) in order to basically brainwash any girl into want into wanting to bang you. Even if you are 100 years old, 500lbs, broke, with no legs. Just use his lines and techniques and none of that matters. She's yours!

In fact, Chase even implied almost exactly that in a thread over at 'skilledseducer' a year or so back (can't be bothered to search for the post) in a big debate about the power of 'game', it's limitations, 'yes girls vs no girls' etc

He's not the only one selling that snake oil, although tbf, in general the PUA coaching community have slightly shifted towards something at least SLIGHTLY more realistic in terms of success and the 'power' (limitations!!!) of 'game' in the last decade or so. It's just too hard for them to continue this lie when things like youtube came about. Basically it made people prove it! ''Prove that you can bang any girl you want!!' Go out with your gopro right now with a live chat on. We'll tell you what girls too approach. I expect each interaction to lead to sex or at least a makeout etc''. Good luck with that!! lol. The best PUA coach in the world (assuming he's maybe a little worse than average looking and hitting on the hottest 18 year old girls about) would have to approach like 250 girls until he got lucky. And they know it!!

They don't seem to realise how ridiculous what they're claiming actually is (ps - these guys also typically have zero infields etc) - the gift they claim would inevitably find themselves as famous as Elvis. Journalists would be writing 'Who is this man who has slept with margot Robbie, adriana Lima and all top 10 victoria secret models in a week??' with pap snaps of him making out with them all at different times and leaving their hotel rooms. The same magic gift would surely mean they'd be able to become amazingly wealthy in a short time using the same 'seduction' and mind control skills. It's all hilarious to me and always has been, but there ya go.

I never liked Ross Jeffries for that reason- he always had ****ty NLP tactics which never made sense to me - looking back at my daygame successes had I used Ross Jeffries NLP lines I think it would have ****ed up all those dates rather than achieved anything substantial - Ross himself doesn't appear to be in great shape or look after himself particularly well so im always weary when a dating coach fails to look after himself whilst peddling the secrets to have sex with beautiful women

the only way people can free themselves from the marketing bs is just to go out and do their own approaches - that way you will understand its alot more complex than it is and there are alot more variables at play- what I liked about Tom was that he was at least pro active in this regard , something which a lot of red pill coaches like a Rollo Tomassi or a Richard Cooper are not

 

[Isildur1]

well the thing is, 'chase' would tell you that his 'hit rate' is basically 100% which changes the maths! haha
He's from the oldschool PUA group of 'coaches'/writers etc, still trying to pander to the most gulible and desperate aspiring PUA's who will still believe that you can use verbal magic (in the forms of negs and NLP etc) in order to basically brainwash any girl into want into wanting to bang you. Even if you are 100 years old, 500lbs, broke, with no legs. Just use his lines and techniques and none of that matters. She's yours!

In fact, Chase even implied almost exactly that in a thread over at 'skilledseducer' a year or so back (can't be bothered to search for the post) in a big debate about the power of 'game', it's limitations, 'yes girls vs no girls' etc

He's not the only one selling that snake oil, although tbf, in general the PUA coaching community have slightly shifted towards something at least SLIGHTLY more realistic in terms of success and the 'power' (limitations!!!) of 'game' in the last decade or so. It's just too hard for them to continue this lie when things like youtube came about. Basically it made people prove it! ''Prove that you can bang any girl you want!!' Go out with your gopro right now with a live chat on. We'll tell you what girls too approach. I expect each interaction to lead to sex or at least a makeout etc''. Good luck with that!! lol. The best PUA coach in the world (assuming he's maybe a little worse than average looking and hitting on the hottest 18 year old girls about) would have to approach like 250 girls until he got lucky. And they know it!!

They don't seem to realise how ridiculous what they're claiming actually is (ps - these guys also typically have zero infields etc) - the gift they claim would inevitably find themselves as famous as Elvis. Journalists would be writing 'Who is this man who has slept with margot Robbie, adriana Lima and all top 10 victoria secret models in a week??' with pap snaps of him making out with them all at different times and leaving their hotel rooms. The same magic gift would surely mean they'd be able to become amazingly wealthy in a short time using the same 'seduction' and mind control skills. It's all hilarious to me and always has been, but there ya go.

well John Anthony is similar in that regard in that he claims to have 1500 lays and can get newbies good real quick

the reality is no coach can fix a low smv man overnight - there needs to be some degree of inner work done , which is where the market bs ends and the graft begins- get smv and do the approaches and remain consistent has worked for me but maintaining that work ethic and that drive to improve smv has been an issue in the past (before I met my girlfriend from daygame)