Are you happy that Hollywood is dying?

[corrector]

I don't know about others, or what you mean by cutting cable, but streamers are still alive with me. However, it's more like its a virtual library of content, more than a concern as to what is the latest TV-show or movie. I might watch 1964 Doctor Who for example. There appears like a near vast amount of selection which makes it addictive.

In terms of how Hollywood is being taken down, there may be other forces at play. The short time between a movie is released to the time it hits a streamer (ie that window could be very short depending on the distributor/director's policy). AI copying actors/actresses where that could be the way of the future (hence the strikes today). Mid-budget creative movies, except for A24, is not really being made because you it's either dominated by legacy franchise (comic book) type movies or well known directors, or ultra-cheap production horror movie, but otherwise mid-tier content is going to streaming and usually in the format of a 4-10 episode series. It's just the way tech is changing things.

I prefer the current tech over the old as it's very portable (ie you can watch media on the go, on your smartphone, on a VR-headset, large-TV, on your bed, on demand), whereas before you have a vast difference of experience between the movies and the small CRT TV at home. There are plenty of 70s, 80s, 90s movies still in circulation on streamers so anyone is always free to watch re-runs, etc.... You watch whatever you want, when you want and how you want.

 

[corrector]

They never really were that great. People are just mad that the Feel-Good Popular movies are catering to a broader audience now rather than stroking off the white male trope wagon.

I think we are talking about LGBTQ2s+ just as much. You are seeing more guys kiss other guys, or that type of stuff. Look at Disney Buzz Lightyear for example. Almost sounds like grooming kids with me. Also, remember, @Gamisch is not white, so he has no reason to hold that position that you are implying like that. I think the issue is more of maculinity and straightness rather than race. It's like, in all honesty, if the Republicans were not branded as racists, they would win landslide majorities. The race issues gives woke discussions a bad name. However, among us, it's not intended as part of that discourse of course as we talk plainly about feminism, and things that undermining masculinity in modern cinema, etc...

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

I don't give a flying fvck if the next snow white is Cantonese or from East Jabeb.

Ni hao, salaam

 

[Deep Dish]

In its current form, I wouldn't p!ss on Hollywood if it was on fire. If it would drop the politics, let's face it their award shows are a disgrace now - I wouldn't mind if it returned to focusing on entertainment and achieved some of its old success. But until then, I couldn't care less. Just because someone can act doesn't mean I want them to preach their political views to me, especially when I usually disagree with them.

Samuel Goldwyn once said, wisely, “If you want to send a message, use Western Union.”

Themes are good, but only if it's subtextual. Once you start explicitly saying the theme, that's when people lose interest.

Interestingly, Louis B. Mayer, who founded the Academy Awards, said the real reason for the Oscars was to keep the industry from unionizing. “I found that the best way to handle [moviemakers] was to hang medals all over them. If I got them cups and awards, they’d kill themselves to produce what I wanted. That’s why the Academy Award was created.”

 

[zekko]

Hollywood is slowly losing its influence as more and more people arent going to movie theatres and people are canceling there cable. People are becoming popular now such as on Youtube and other places so theres no need for Hollywood anymore.

I find the YouTube phenomenon interesting. Just regular people with an interest in filming who would have had no chance really of ever becoming famous or known an any real level. Yet they manage to find an audience on YouTube, sometimes doing some of the most seemingly mundane things. A lot of it is like taking reality TV to the next level. There are a number of people on YouTube that I follow, at least casually, and I often find them more entertaining than more "official" shows.

 

[Bible_Belt]

AI is going to replace Hollywood as we know it.

Content in the future will be customized. You will be able to put yourself or whoever else you want in it, dead or alive. Imagine how much a teenage girl would want her favorite boy band to sing a song for her and about her.

 

[ManlyMan]

hollywood is tasteless now.

 

[Millard Fillmore]

Wrong bro.

Movies played a vital role in our upbringing. From coming to America to Bruce Lee's movies to original xmen to..back to the future...and so on . Home alone is STILL broadcasted every damn Christmas, like Mariah Carey's song is still by far the hottest song during that time of the year.

The same thing we saw happening with e.g the dating apps happens everywhere: one big fish swallowed all the others and "dominates " the market at OUR expenses.

I can't imagine what's it like growing up with this bs copy from a copy entertainment, both in music and film.

Too easy to dismiss it like you do.

Like I said, nobody is forcing you to watch anything. If I don't like something I turn it off. Easy solution.

 

[CornbreadFed]

think we are talking about LGBTQ2s+ just as much. You are seeing more guys kiss other guys, or that type of stuff. Look at Disney Buzz Lightyear for example. Almost sounds like grooming kids with me

Grooming kids has always been in entertainment, it's just not the direction you are comfortable with.

lso, remember, @Gamisch is not white, so he has no reason to hold that position that you are implying like that. I think the issue is more of maculinity and straightness rather than race.

I have to disagree, Disney has gotten crapped on for the Little Mermaid & Snow White remakes due to race primarily.

It's like, in all honesty, if the Republicans were not branded as racists, they would win landslide majorities. The race issues gives woke discussions a bad name. However, among us, it's not intended as part of that discourse of course as we talk plainly about feminism, and things that undermining masculinity in modern cinema, etc...

I will agree that they are getting killed in the Black American vote because of their racist dogma, but they aren't capturing other voters because of other reasons.

 

[corrector]

Grooming kids has always been in entertainment, it's just not the direction you are comfortable with.

That is supposed to be are rebuttal? What I feel about this has no bearing on the argument.

I have to disagree, Disney has gotten crapped on for the Little Mermaid & Snow White remakes due to race primarily.

Was Tenet (2020) crapped on because of race? Did you see the Lazarus Project (2022) crapped on because of race? Did you see how high their reviews are? Do people see Christopher Nolan as woke? Of course not! When he uses a Black character, that character is well earned, is a lead character and people respect the movie. Just like James Cameron and Terminator 2 crediting a Black guy for helping to create Skynet, etc...

Just pigeonholing minority characters to have a checkmark on the movie, especially if the movie has a weak storyline, looks like a cash-grab or CGI fest, and this is a complaint of other movies such as Wrinkle in Time (2018), then people see through it and see it as tokenism. You can't tell me that tokenism and movie-by-commitee with checkmarks to fill a diversity target rather than great casting like the Nolan movies are the same quality of cinema.

That being said, I have not seen Little Mermaid (2023) or Snow White (2023) and therefore can not comment on either of those movies. I've seen the cartoon of Little Mermaid (1989) in 2017 when I was specifically looking at Disney cartoon renaissance movies during that time-period. Most of the complaints I've heard between disney Live-action vs Renaissance cartoons is that they copy the movies and just make it a live-action version but don't add anything original to it. I look forward to watching the first 20 min, of Little Mermaid when it's released on the Disney + platform on Sept 6th. There is no entry on Disney + streaming platform for Snow White so I have to wait longer for this.

 

[Reincarnated]

Exactly, Hollywood people mistakenly believe they are important and we should give a damn on their views. Just produce an entertaining movie, act and then shut up. Leave the politics out of the movie.

The problem is that a lot of people do give a damn about their views. Not the type of people who are typically on this forum, but the more normie general public does eat that celebrity stuff up for some reason.

 

[CornbreadFed]

That is supposed to be are rebuttal? What I feel about this has no bearing on the argument.

It’s a fact, I am assuming that you think this grooming of children is a recent phenomenon. It is completely incorrect because entertainment & corporations have been grooming children for a while. For example, whole concept of a male bread winner and housewife are clearly demonstrated in shows like The Jetsens, The Flintstones, Dexters Laboratory

Was Tenet (2020) crapped on because of race? Did you see the Lazarus Project (2022) crapped on because of race? Did you see how high their reviews are? Do people see Christopher Nolan as woke? Of course not! When he uses a Black character, that character is well earned, is a lead character and people respect the movie. Just like James Cameron and Terminator 2 crediting a Black guy for helping to create Skynet, etc...

Just pigeonholing minority characters to have a checkmark on the movie, especially if the movie has a weak storyline, looks like a cash-grab or CGI fest, and this is a complaint of other movies such as Wrinkle in Time (2018), then people see through it and see it as tokenism. You can't tell me that tokenism and movie-by-commitee with checkmarks to fill a diversity target rather than great casting like the Nolan movies are the same quality of cinema.

I wouldn’t call altering a race of a “fictional” character fit for entertainment to appeal to a broader audience pigeonholing. Unless the character’s race or background is tied to the character’s story, it doesn’t mean shvt. For example, making Iron Man an Indian doesn’t change the plot or the character, but making Tony Montana’s Scarface character a white guy from Minnesota does.

 

[SW15]

In its current form, I wouldn't p!ss on Hollywood if it was on fire.

This is how I feel.

 

[Hacker]

Imagine if we grew up without television or movies or the radio. Our lives would be so different. These things have been brainwashing us for so long. They brainwash to tell us what is cool, popular, and in style. People see celebrities wearing certain things or acting a certain way then people try to copy them. This world would of been so better off if Hollywood wasnt around. Why should we know who Tom Cruise, Jimmy Hendrix, or Vin Diesel is? Its cause they brainwashed people to know these things. Same thing with sports. They bombard us with advertising. Its ridiculous that tax paying citizens are paying for a sports stadium when some of those tax paying citizens might not even like sports. The people controlling the shots call actors "stars" or they call them "superstars" so the dumb public thinks they are somehow better then most people. Ever notice how at concerts that the stage is higher then the crowd. Thats on purpose to make the crowd think that the performer is somehow better then them and that they should worship them. We need to stop giving famous people or celebrities our money or attention. They feed off of our energy. Stop calling them stars or superstars.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Honestly don't really care one way or the other.

 

[Bokanovsky]

It’s bitter to want to not have society brainwashed by Hollywood? I assume you don’t have children?

I can see why he’s not concerned about brainwashing. It’s hard to get brainwashed when you don’t have a brain.

 

[Millard Fillmore]

These things have been brainwashing us for so long. They brainwash to tell us what is cool, popular, and in style.

Okay, so you're brainwashed. Some people have more resistant brains than others. Try the "off" button on your remote or device.

 

[CornbreadFed]

I can see why he’s not concerned about brainwashing. It’s hard to get brainwashed when you don’t have a brain.

Says the poster that denies a major WW2 genocide event.

 

[HaleyBaron]

It’s bitter to want to not have society brainwashed by Hollywood? I assume you don’t have children?

Ignore Cornbread. They're a troll here on the forum.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Ignore Cornbread. They're a troll here on the forum.

Props to @corrector for being the adult in this topic. You and @Bokanovsky need to let the adults conversate.