Anyone find direct game less effective?

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I know that the community is, and always will be massively divided over the direct vs indirect thing.

I personally wonder if the real reason for the disagreement is maybe because it is effected by things such as your location, your looks, how old the girl you're hitting on is, the culture etc etc

I know that RSD tend to advocate direct game in the day and indirect at night

Personally, i've found that direct game really doesn't seem to work at all for me as a UK guy who isn't blessed in the looks department, and who is hitting on hot girls in bars who are like 18-21, and are a bit younger than me

I just seem to get a reaction that the girls don't like this direct approach. Can't put my finger on it, but I wonder if it's in part due too a kind of lack of subtlety that girls like? Or that maybe they feel that reacting positively might lead you on too much or trigger their Anti slut defense? Or maybe they hear it all the time and it's boring? Or maybe it's just too forward for us Brits?

I honestly don't know. I experiment all the time and made tonnes of direct approaches last night and they all followed a similar pattern where I felt like the girls just didn't like the direct approach

The only exception seems to be if I get a strong IOI first. In them scenarios, i'd actually say direct game is superior.

I'm curious if anyone else finds direct game gets themm worse reactions in general, though.
As a lad from the UK I concur. I have but the success rate is less than spectacular unless choosing signals from her or IOIs. Even though i run tight game. Msn to woman but it's still subtle, indirect, taking number, flirty, charm her etc but there's nothing Overt or overly forward. It's layered in man to woman. She will know what's up yet still be guessing.

I have played with direct indirect. Direct indirect. Why fix what isn't broke?
 

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In my opinion, dress DOES matter but expensive attire does NOT matter. The key is how you fit in your attire. Obviously working out/eating clean will help a lot, but you do not want your clothes looking too loose or too tight.

Also, in my opinion, women notice shoes and will either loathe them or regard them highly .I am not kidding about this.

I am convinced that they will judge a man's character based on his shoes. Again: no need to spend lavishly, but shoes need to look good and they need to be clean and 100% free of scratches, scuffs, etc. so if you ARE going to dress cheaply, do NOT dress in shoddy-looking shoes.

Also, I highly recommend shoe trees and shoe horns for ALL of your shoes, including tennis shoes/gym shoes.
I had a woman felt attraction for me first and then looked at my shoes after. The first thing she feels is your dominant presence. Everything after that is backwards rationalization. “He had nice shoes, that’s probably why I’m attracted to him.” Then they go out and tell everyone it’s all about shoes. Then guys go out and buy a bunch of shoes just to realize it makes no difference.

The guy who is supplicating enough to buy an entire wardrobe of shoes just to impress women doesn’t have a dominant bone in his body. The guy who buys shoes because he wants to look and feel good for himself is the dominant one.

Everything you’ve ever learned from the seduction community and manosphere is all backwards rationalization from women and has no effect on attraction whatsoever and that’s why you are all confused and so suave is still in business.

First a woman senses a dominant presence. She feels an attraction pull. This makes her feel uncomfortable. She needs to do something so that she can truly see his character (whether or not it’s truly dominant), categorize him, and move on with her day. This is all done unconsciously.

Some women throw out an ioi, and some throw a sh1t test. Either way, his response is going to reveal his character in plain sight.

Some guys approach. Some guys don’t react. There is no “right or wrong” reaction. To think so means you are calibrating to women and therefore are not dominant in your thinking. A dominant man does whatever he wants. He can either engage her or ignore her. He’s not worried about how to look “manly” in front of her. That’s the mindset of 99% of guys on sosuave and that’s why 99% of guys on sosuave have no idea what they are talking about, yet pretend they do.

Now here is the ultimate secret - whatever the guy does next, SHE will backwards rationalize as attractive. If he approaches directly, she will think “oh he’s so masculine. He knows what he wants and goes after it.” And if the guy ignores her, she will backwards rationalize “oh he must get a lot of women! a guy like him isn’t going to through himself at every woman. Maybe I should flirt with his friend to get his attention.” So you see now, there is no CALIBRATION or right way to act! However way you react to her signs, she will backwards rationalize as attractive.

And the more dominant you are, the more likely you will create a permanent imprint in her head by your actions. In other words, if you’re the most dominant guy she ever met and you had nice shoes, she will forever rationalize an attractive man should always have nice shoes. She’s just following your lead, she’s not dictating what is attractive, as many supplicating male seducers believe. And if you approach after eye contact, she will believe an attractive guy approaches. And if you ignore her, she will believe an attractive guy has options and must be seduced.

In some countries, the most dominant guys are completely dismissive, which is why the women in that country rationalize direct game as low value.

Women have no frames of their own. They react to what men do. At least the most dominant men in that environment.

This is why seducers fail. They try to figure out a woman’s imprint and react accordingly, but there is no imprint. A woman’s frame is like quicksand. It only appears solid. To purposely live in her frame looks weak and will send her repulsive signals.

A woman can never trust a guy who tries to live in her illusory frame of smoke and mirrors.

The amateurs in this forum take women’s backwards rationalizations and turn it into gospel. They would even defend women’s backwards rationalizations to the death while women themselves sit back and relax and laugh at how supplicating and clueless they are.

The masculine god frame exists outside the matrix of romance. And this is the frame Feminine women submit to. I use the word feminine because not all women want to submit these days. Some are too bitter beyond repair.

If you are truly dominant, you dictate reality and women simply live in that reality.

If you go deep enough into the rabbit hole, you will see that male seducers are simply living in realities that dominant men created for them via women who submitted to them.

The history of the entire world is simply dominant frames creating reality and the rest of the people reacting and living in it.

The fact that women have no frames of their own is also why 99% of threads in this forum are completely pathetic. They attempt to figure out women when there is nothing to figure out.

A woman either submits to your dominance or there is no romance. Theres nothing to figure out. That’s the end of the story.

A question that hardly anyone ever asks is “How does a man reach his highest potential of dominance so that more women effortlessly submit?”

The answer lies internally. It always starts on the inside before it can manifest on the outside.
 
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I had a woman felt attraction for me first and then looked at my shoes after. The first thing she feels is your dominant presence. Everything after that is backwards rationalization. “He had nice shoes, that’s probably why I’m attracted to him.” Then they go out and tell everyone it’s all about shoes. Then guys go out and buy a bunch of shoes just to realize it makes no difference.

The guy who is supplicating enough to buy an entire wardrobe of shoes just to impress women doesn’t have a dominant bone in his body. The guy who buys shoes because he wants to look and feel good for himself is the dominant one.

Everything you’ve ever learned from the seduction community and manosphere is all backwards rationalization from women and has no effect on attraction whatsoever and that’s why you are all confused and so suave is still in business.

First a woman senses a dominant presence. She feels an attraction pull. This makes her feel uncomfortable. She needs to do something so that she can truly see his character (whether or not it’s truly dominant), categorize him, and move on with her day. This is all done unconsciously.

Some women throw out an ioi, and some throw a sh1t test. Either way, his response is going to reveal his character in plain sight.

Some guys approach. Some guys don’t react. There is no “right or wrong” reaction. To think so means you are calibrating to women and therefore are not dominant in your thinking. A dominant man does whatever he wants. He can either engage her or ignore her. He’s not worried about how to look “manly” in front of her. That’s the mindset of 99% of guys on sosuave and that’s why 99% of guys on sosuave have no idea what they are talking about, yet pretend they do.

Now here is the ultimate secret - whatever the guy does next, SHE will backwards rationalize as attractive. If he approaches directly, she will think “oh he’s so masculine. He knows what he wants and goes after it.” And if the guy ignores her, she will backwards rationalize “oh he must get a lot of women! a guy like him isn’t going to through himself at every woman. Maybe I should flirt with his friend to get his attention.” So you see now, there is no CALIBRATION or right way to act! However way you react to her signs, she will backwards rationalize as attractive.

And the more dominant you are, the more likely you will create a permanent imprint in her head by your actions. In other words, if you’re the most dominant guy she ever met and you had nice shoes, she will forever rationalize an attractive man should always have nice shoes. She’s just following your lead, she’s not dictating what is attractive, as many supplicating male seducers believe. And if you approach after eye contact, she will believe an attractive guy approaches. And if you ignore her, she will believe an attractive guy has options and must be seduced.

In some countries, the most dominant guys are completely dismissive, which is why the women in that country rationalize direct game as low value.

Women have no frames of their own. They react to what men do. At least the most dominant men in that environment.

This is why seducers fail. They try to figure out a woman’s imprint and react accordingly, but there is no imprint. A woman’s frame is like quicksand. It only appears solid. To purposely live in her frame looks weak and will send her repulsive signals.

A woman can never trust a guy who tries to live in her illusory frame of smoke and mirrors.

The amateurs in this forum take women’s backwards rationalizations and turn it into gospel. They would even defend women’s backwards rationalizations to the death while women themselves sit back and relax and laugh at how supplicating and clueless they are.

The masculine god frame exists outside the matrix of romance. And this is the frame Feminine women submit to. I use the word feminine because not all women want to submit these days. Some are too bitter beyond repair.

If you are truly dominant, you dictate reality and women simply live in that reality.

If you go deep enough into the rabbit hole, you will see that male seducers are simply living in realities that dominant men created for them via women who submitted to them.

The history of the entire world is simply dominant frames creating reality and the rest of the people reacting and living in it.

The fact that women have no frames of their own is also why 99% of threads in this forum are completely pathetic. They attempt to figure out women when there is nothing to figure out.

A woman either submits to your dominance or there is no romance. Theres nothing to figure out. That’s the end of the story.

A question that hardly anyone ever asks is “How does a man reach his highest potential of dominance so that more women effortlessly submit?”

The answer lies internally. It always starts on the inside before it can manifest on the outside.
Good good.
 

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I thought this site was all about DIRECT game.

Isn’t this the site that promotes 1st date sex? Isn’t this the site that promotes LEADERSHIP, SUBMISSION, NO CONFUSION, STRONG MASCULINE MEN, GUYS WHO KNOW WHAT THEY WANT WITH WOMEN?

But when it comes to game, then it’s subtle, indirect, take it easy, smooth, player, charming type
approach?

I guess the type of advice sosuave gives regarding women depends on the day of the week.
Here's the dirty little secret - aside from the law of numbers (i.e., hit on enough women, and eventually you will find one interested in you) - PUA game does not work. The only game that works is ChadGame. :rolleyes:
 

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I had a woman felt attraction for me first and then looked at my shoes after. The first thing she feels is your dominant presence. Everything after that is backwards rationalization. “He had nice shoes, that’s probably why I’m attracted to him.” Then they go out and tell everyone it’s all about shoes. Then guys go out and buy a bunch of shoes just to realize it makes no difference.

The guy who is supplicating enough to buy an entire wardrobe of shoes just to impress women doesn’t have a dominant bone in his body. The guy who buys shoes because he wants to look and feel good for himself is the dominant one.

Everything you’ve ever learned from the seduction community and manosphere is all backwards rationalization from women and has no effect on attraction whatsoever and that’s why you are all confused and so suave is still in business.

First a woman senses a dominant presence. She feels an attraction pull. This makes her feel uncomfortable. She needs to do something so that she can truly see his character (whether or not it’s truly dominant), categorize him, and move on with her day. This is all done unconsciously.

Some women throw out an ioi, and some throw a sh1t test. Either way, his response is going to reveal his character in plain sight.

Some guys approach. Some guys don’t react. There is no “right or wrong” reaction. To think so means you are calibrating to women and therefore are not dominant in your thinking. A dominant man does whatever he wants. He can either engage her or ignore her. He’s not worried about how to look “manly” in front of her. That’s the mindset of 99% of guys on sosuave and that’s why 99% of guys on sosuave have no idea what they are talking about, yet pretend they do.

Now here is the ultimate secret - whatever the guy does next, SHE will backwards rationalize as attractive. If he approaches directly, she will think “oh he’s so masculine. He knows what he wants and goes after it.” And if the guy ignores her, she will backwards rationalize “oh he must get a lot of women! a guy like him isn’t going to through himself at every woman. Maybe I should flirt with his friend to get his attention.” So you see now, there is no CALIBRATION or right way to act! However way you react to her signs, she will backwards rationalize as attractive.

And the more dominant you are, the more likely you will create a permanent imprint in her head by your actions. In other words, if you’re the most dominant guy she ever met and you had nice shoes, she will forever rationalize an attractive man should always have nice shoes. She’s just following your lead, she’s not dictating what is attractive, as many supplicating male seducers believe. And if you approach after eye contact, she will believe an attractive guy approaches. And if you ignore her, she will believe an attractive guy has options and must be seduced.

In some countries, the most dominant guys are completely dismissive, which is why the women in that country rationalize direct game as low value.

Women have no frames of their own. They react to what men do. At least the most dominant men in that environment.

This is why seducers fail. They try to figure out a woman’s imprint and react accordingly, but there is no imprint. A woman’s frame is like quicksand. It only appears solid. To purposely live in her frame looks weak and will send her repulsive signals.

A woman can never trust a guy who tries to live in her illusory frame of smoke and mirrors.

The amateurs in this forum take women’s backwards rationalizations and turn it into gospel. They would even defend women’s backwards rationalizations to the death while women themselves sit back and relax and laugh at how supplicating and clueless they are.

The masculine god frame exists outside the matrix of romance. And this is the frame Feminine women submit to. I use the word feminine because not all women want to submit these days. Some are too bitter beyond repair.

If you are truly dominant, you dictate reality and women simply live in that reality.

If you go deep enough into the rabbit hole, you will see that male seducers are simply living in realities that dominant men created for them via women who submitted to them.

The history of the entire world is simply dominant frames creating reality and the rest of the people reacting and living in it.

The fact that women have no frames of their own is also why 99% of threads in this forum are completely pathetic. They attempt to figure out women when there is nothing to figure out.

A woman either submits to your dominance or there is no romance. Theres nothing to figure out. That’s the end of the story.

A question that hardly anyone ever asks is “How does a man reach his highest potential of dominance so that more women effortlessly submit?”

The answer lies internally. It always starts on the inside before it can manifest on the outside.
By far, best post I seen for the short time I been here.......
 
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By far, best post I seen for the short time I been here.......
Very few would actually understand what I actually wrote. It requires one to exist even outside the "romance" game. Most guys are trying to beat the game while existing in it and living by its rules - rules that were created by women no less. It's like the matrix. No matter how fast you are, you are still operating within the limitations of the matrix.

Being outside the matrix means outframing what women consider "attractive" altogether. Some women will say it's this, some women will say it's that, but in the end, it doesn't matter. They change with the seasons. You can't ever win in the game anyway. As soon as you think you have it figured out, the rules change. What "worked" last year no longer works and looks completely desperate now.

As soon as you feel like you conquered the romance game, the yardstick moves. It's a never end wheel of illusions.

The only thing a man should concern himself with is developing his own frame and reality and expanding that towards his environment. That's his only purpose. To change his reality according to his vision. There is no fitting in, calibrating, or getting validated. That's all for women to concern themselves with.

This is one and ONLY way a man can be fulfilled and happy. When his reality meets his vision. Romance is a poor substitute. Any other purpose is a surrogate. Nothing else is going to work. Anything less than fulfilling this purpose will lead to a life of quiet desperation and total despair.
 
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