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I think MGTOW is a bit different for each man to some degree. I dont hate women, i enjoy them but they are not my main focus in life anymore. If they can compliment my life they can stay, if they complicate it they have to go. Either way im fine cause im not getting emotionally attached to them and im fine alone if it comes to that. I find the more aloof i am the more they are interested.
Id never cut women out of my life completely but i wont give them the time or effort i did 20 yrs ago either, it serves no purpose.
You definitely fit MGTOW in that case. You don’t sound black pill to me. Hence my original point in this discussion before it derailed into the slightly off topic side bar I’m engaged in. I don’t consider MGTOW and black pill the same things. You still enjoy women. I don’t know anyone who actively identifies as being “black pill” that really enjoys women. But I digress since apparently I am flat out wrong I am told.
 

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I’m not. I’ve just learned that carrying on any conversation with you is an exercise in futility. You constantly set up straw men and ignore any cogent points.

I’ll humor you. Here’s some examples. Friend who is a cop. Guy makes average money and is average looks. Has a very attractive wife. Another friend - also a cop. Has decent looks but not “GQ status” to use your words. Dates a 21 year old (he’s 35) who I would say is a HB 7. Last example - car mechanic who is actually from an Amish background (he gave it up) - has a stunning blonde girlfriend (HB 7.5-8). None of these guys are GQ, none of them have money/status. Normal guys with good looking Gfs/wives. Does this help you? Or do I need more “proof” for you? Am I still “talking out of my a$$”? I await your next deflection.
Your friends could be argued not to really have an average run-of-the-mill job because they are cops. This means they have a very masculine job where they have the authority to arrest people and be really bada$$ and protect the women they love, all of which have very strong appeals. A cop would have 100 times more appeal than a guy working an office job making the same amount of money, so the TYPE of job is very important. So, cop examples are out. If I were a cop I'd probably be set for life assuming I don't get obsessed with BLM. For one, I'd need to get into shape, and build muscles, and be able to subdue people, that in itself would raise my SMV because women will then believe I can protect them and stand up for myself in a physical and masculine sense. Hiding behind brains and computers and desks is not masculine enough so those types of average jobs won't work.

The car mechanic is interesting. It is a masculine job as well, maybe less so than a cop. You have to get dirty with cars and anything involving cars is masculine. Again, this is a type of masculine job that would attract women. How did the mechanic meet his gf then? I'm a bit more interested in this example than the cop example.

So, lets rephrase what you are saying. You have friends who are in stereotypically MASCULINE jobs who have average looks.

I think we can find some red-pill agreement that if a guy takes on a masculine job, like construction, policing, mechanic, or anything where its predominantly men, and I'll even throw in fireman, EMS worker, for good measure, then these types of trades are likely to have a strong masculine appeal that will impress a woman. However, if you are in a genderless or office-type of job, and that's your average job, like IT or one of those jobs then it may not have the same type of rugged masculine appeal where its easier to impress a hot woman with your career.
 

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This is a boundary issue.

Emotionally mature confident masculine boundaries are comfortable with both hearing NO and saying NO.

So this is a two sided coin: saying no and hearing no.

You are never going to be everybody's cup of tea and you must hone your expectations to this truth. Liken it to the Pareto Principle: At least 80% of women out there are not going to find you to their liking. You will not be their cup of tea:
practice expecting it and accepting.
Accepting it will stengthen your boundary as you know that a woman with no interest level in you has zero value to you...
you don't want a woman with zero value to you in your life. So gladly let her walk.
You want to find that 20%.

If you are spam approaching that means you haven't defined your own boundaries to define exactly what you are looking for. You must know what woman you want to enter your domain so that you can say no, to the type of woman that is not what you are looking for....
You learn to say no and reject to those who don't meet your criteria. This gives pure confidence when you know what and who to say yes and no to. And using the Pareto Principle again: probably only 20% of the women you come across may be what you are looking for. Meaning you have to reject 80% of the woman who enter your boundary.
this leaves a very small sweet spot of mutual yes and yes ratio. Your bullseye. Meaning the ration were you will say no and they will say no.......is a huge area of smoke and darkness. the rest of the dartboard.

these are the expectations.

Rejection is the norm as you wade through eyeing that sweet spot.
 

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The rejections of cold approaching are NOTHING to get over. Same with online matches who never go on dates with you. It’s the ones you’ve spent time getting to know and been out with several times that mess with your mind.
This

A lot of women are going to auto reject random men that are cold approaching them. This could be due to them simply not being attracted to you but I feel many do this because they are uncomfortable with men that are ultimately strangers, regardless of how attractive they might be. Contrary to what some say on here, many women have a lot of anxiety and apprehension when interacting with men they don't know and it's simply easier for them to auto reject. I feel it's a combination of that plus many simply don't have social skills with men at all, particularly when it comes to rejection. For instance, I've had women reject me but then continue to approach or interact with......a sign that they have very poor social skills with men.

If you are getting numbers that lead to nothing, it's most likely she felt it was easier to give out a number and simply not respond, again conflict avoidance. However, if she is texting a bit back and forth but it leads to nothing it again shows she is on the fence and just decided to not meet up. which may or may not have anything to do with whatever you are saying.

If they agree to a date and then flake last minute you should next this woman immediately, I had this happen a couple times and you should just assume they are crazy.

If you are getting first dates or a couple dates that don't go beyond that then there is probably something going on. However, the possibilities are endless and you'll just make yourself go crazy trying to figure it out.
 

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A lot of women are going to auto reject random men that are cold approaching them. This could be due to them simply not being attracted to you but I feel many do this because they are uncomfortable with men that are ultimately strangers, regardless of how attractive they might be. Contrary to what some say on here, many women have a lot of anxiety and apprehension when interacting with men they don't know and it's simply easier for them to auto reject. I feel it's a combination of that plus many simply don't have social skills with men at all, particularly when it comes to rejection. For instance, I've had women reject me but then continue to approach or interact with......a sign that they have very poor social skills with men.
A lot of Millennial women have poor social skills. I've seen it with my friends' girlfriends/wives. A couple of them seem so socially inept that they could not handle cold approaches.

I noticed about 10 years ago that Millennial women seemed worse at giving IOIs. My IOIs at night seemed to decline when smartphones picked up in popularity.

The Millennials were the first generation of technology. I don't see this getting much better in Gen Z.
 

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This

A lot of women are going to auto reject random men that are cold approaching them. This could be due to them simply not being attracted to you but I feel many do this because they are uncomfortable with men that are ultimately strangers, regardless of how attractive they might be. Contrary to what some say on here, many women have a lot of anxiety and apprehension when interacting with men they don't know and it's simply easier for them to auto reject. I feel it's a combination of that plus many simply don't have social skills with men at all, particularly when it comes to rejection. For instance, I've had women reject me but then continue to approach or interact with......a sign that they have very poor social skills with men.

If you are getting numbers that lead to nothing, it's most likely she felt it was easier to give out a number and simply not respond, again conflict avoidance. However, if she is texting a bit back and forth but it leads to nothing it again shows she is on the fence and just decided to not meet up. which may or may not have anything to do with whatever you are saying.

If they agree to a date and then flake last minute you should next this woman immediately, I had this happen a couple times and you should just assume they are crazy.

If you are getting first dates or a couple dates that don't go beyond that then there is probably something going on. However, the possibilities are endless and you'll just make yourself go crazy trying to figure it out.
That happens to me a lot, go on 4-5 dates and then get dumped. But the thing is it’s only been a problem recently, not my entire life. I think what’s happening is a lot of the women I’ve been going out with have taller exes so when they date me they just can’t get past me not being 6’. I know this because one girl told me this flat out. So I’m getting them out on dates but I can’t wow them enough to look past my height.
 

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You've got it in reverse, my friend. And you'll do a lot better with women when you come to terms with this fact of life:

An average looking guy with tight game will trump a handsome dude with no game. Every single time. I see it all the time. Being handsome and not having game is actually a death sentence because it's so incongruous. If you're handsome then a woman expects you to have Game. If you don't have Game and you're handsome she'll get really confused and a bit creeped out.
This maybe true if the good looking guy literally has NO game. Like, he’s a clueless virgin who averts his gaze and starts mumbling incoherently when he sees an attractive woman. If a good looking guy has the bare minimum of game (i.e. he can carry a normal conversation with a woman and doesn’t come across as painfully shy or weird), he will have a leg up on the average looking guy with “tight” game. I witnessed this myself in many social situations.
 

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Rejection is always unpleasant but it’s not a big deal when it’s interspersed with success. Think of it as a tennis match. You win points, you lose points…individually, each lost point doesn’t mean much. It’s only when you lose all points or nearly all points that you become discouraged.

Same thing with women. And that’s why I think that people who recommend serial cold approaching to men who are already struggling with women are doing more harm than good. Cold approaching is a low probability game. It’s like playing the lottery, except with your time rather than your money. If you’re treating the lottery as a means of earning income and blowing your last savings on lottery tickets, you’re heading towards disaster. If, on the other hand, you see it as a fun game that you partake in every once in a while, it’s okay.

Cold approaching can only work when it comes from a position of confidence. And it absolutely cannot be your sole or even primary strategy for meeting women. If you do that, you will end with depression, a negative outlook, and perhaps even lasting psychological damage from constant rejection.
 

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*glances nervously from right to left*
But you watch nude women / porn on the internet. The photos didn't come from space. They are women who were photographed and put on the internet so you enjoy women too.
 

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But you watch nude women / porn on the internet. The photos didn't come from space. They are women who were photographed and put on the internet so you enjoy women too.
Yes but it’s purely a visual thing. I’ve said before that I’m cursed by finding them aesthetically attractive. But I don’t have to talk to porn women, I don’t have to entertain porn women, I don’t have to validate porn women. I don’t have to listen to porn women. I don’t have to touch or be touched by porn women. I don’t have to satisfy porn women. I don’t have to pay for porn women. I don’t have to present my body to porn women. Porn women won’t accuse me of something I didn’t do, Porn women won’t gossip about me to their friends. The list goes on and on. I just look at them until the job is done. Quick and 100% hassle free.
 

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porn women, Quick and 100% hassle free.
Porn is bad. Do you know why people turn to porn? Porn happens due to rejection in real life. There would be no need for porn if you're having success in getting sex from women. The rejection happens first, then the porn, and the quicksand of rejection gets deeper.
 

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Porn is bad. Do you know why people turn to porn? Porn happens due to rejection in real life. There would be no need for porn if you're having success in getting sex from women. The rejection happens first, then the porn, and the quicksand of rejection gets deeper.
I had sex on a plate on offer any time I wanted from my very attractive, intelligent, 10 years younger than me wife and I
wasn't interested. She would have loved it if I'd thrown her around over the furniture and smashed as often as my c0ck and
body could manage. But after she cheated just 3 months after our marriage, with some fvcking barman of all people then
my heart just wasn't in it anymore. I wasn't prepared to walk out of the marriage at that point and endured another 8 years
of being with someone I didn't trust and therefore didn't honestly want to fvck. If we did have sex (somewhere between once
a month to once every 3 months) it would be because she came into my bedroom and initiated it. Ultimately, it drove her
into the arms of (yet) another man. I should be furious about this but honestly, I kind of expected that to happen sooner or
later. Nothing I'm speaking of here is that unusual for an Aspie male. Once the trust was gone so was any passion toward her.
I stayed with her out of love, not lust. Can't honestly see any kind of different outcome with another woman, so by and large
I'm now pretty much done with the lot of them. Porn deals with keeping ones prostate healthy and that's about it. Like I said
before, I'm resigned to being alone now. She truly broke my heart and I'll not be rushing up the queue for another kick in the
nuts.
 

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I had sex on a plate on offer any time I wanted from my very attractive, intelligent, 10 years younger than me wife and I
wasn't interested. She would have loved it if I'd thrown her around over the furniture and smashed as often as my c0ck and
body could manage. But after she cheated just 3 months after our marriage, with some fvcking barman of all people then
my heart just wasn't in it anymore. I wasn't prepared to walk out of the marriage at that point and endured another 8 years
of being with someone I didn't trust and therefore didn't honestly want to fvck. If we did have sex (somewhere between once
a month to once every 3 months) it would be because she came into my bedroom and initiated it. Ultimately, it drove her
into the arms of (yet) another man. I should be furious about this but honestly, I kind of expected that to happen sooner or
later. Nothing I'm speaking of here is that unusual for an Aspie male. Once the trust was gone so was any passion toward her.
I stayed with her out of love, not lust. Can't honestly see any kind of different outcome with another woman, so by and large
I'm now pretty much done with the lot of them. Porn deals with keeping ones prostate healthy and that's about it. Like I said
before, I'm resigned to being alone now. She truly broke my heart and I'll not be rushing up the queue for another kick in the
nuts.
The thing is though she will end up alone not by choice, but you’re CHOOSING to be alone. She will be alone because she won’t be wanted by anyone other than an occasional hookup. That’s how you win in the end.
 

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The thing is though she will end up alone not by choice, but you’re CHOOSING to be alone. She will be alone because she won’t be wanted by anyone other than an occasional hookup. That’s how you win in the end.
She's already got a new man from her pool of orbiters. She wanted me to meet him a few weeks ago.
I pointed out that the two of us should never be within striking distance of one another. I'm done though.
I can't take this happening again, I'll swing.
 

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She's already got a new man from her pool of orbiters. She wanted me to meet him a few weeks ago.
I pointed out that the two of us should never be within striking distance of one another. I'm done though.
I can't take this happening again, I'll swing.
If she’s resorting to the bottom of the barbell of backups (orbiters) that tells me she’s close to being done as far as success with men go. She’s faking happiness but it’s not real.
 

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I had sex on a plate on offer any time I wanted from my very attractive, intelligent, 10 years younger than me wife and I
wasn't interested. She would have loved it if I'd thrown her around over the furniture and smashed as often as my c0ck and
body could manage. But after she cheated just 3 months after our marriage, with some fvcking barman of all people then
my heart just wasn't in it anymore. I wasn't prepared to walk out of the marriage at that point and endured another 8 years
of being with someone I didn't trust and therefore didn't honestly want to fvck. If we did have sex (somewhere between once
a month to once every 3 months) it would be because she came into my bedroom and initiated it. Ultimately, it drove her
into the arms of (yet) another man. I should be furious about this but honestly, I kind of expected that to happen sooner or
later. Nothing I'm speaking of here is that unusual for an Aspie male. Once the trust was gone so was any passion toward her.
I stayed with her out of love, not lust. Can't honestly see any kind of different outcome with another woman, so by and large
I'm now pretty much done with the lot of them. Porn deals with keeping ones prostate healthy and that's about it. Like I said
before, I'm resigned to being alone now. She truly broke my heart and I'll not be rushing up the queue for another kick in the
nuts.
You can't really trust women 100% though. Especially godless or worldly women who don't know Jesus. They are really capable of doing anything because they are dominated by their senses even though they may mean well at the beginning, or even try to make it up to you.

I didn't realize you were that deeply hurt or affected by this. I can't bring myself to trust women because my contentment and trust is supposed directed to Jesus, not women. That way, that "trust" that belongs to God can't really be owned by any woman and be hurt by one.
 

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There should be no serious investment over the course of only a few dates. If a chick says "she just isn't that into you" after 3-4 dates who cares? You should have made minimal investment in her at that point. Even if it is a woman you find very attractive, you need to keep your distance emotionally before you start a heavy investment and get to know the woman quite well
Should be the "Golden Rule", or one of them.
I'd also add to it to never fantasize about any woman for weeks or months before getting the "courage" to do something. That is like living a "relationship" in your mind. Then if you get shot down it feels like a breakup, a breakup from the relationship that existed only in your mind. Make a move and try to get a date early, before you let that happen, then if you get rejected it is "nothing",...and by the same token if she accepts you then you don't end up the giddy goofy stupid schoolboy over the acceptance.
 

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This maybe true if the good looking guy literally has NO game. Like, he’s a clueless virgin who averts his gaze and starts mumbling incoherently when he sees an attractive woman. If a good looking guy has the bare minimum of game (i.e. he can carry a normal conversation with a woman and doesn’t come across as painfully shy or weird), he will have a leg up on the average looking guy with “tight” game. I witnessed this myself in many social situations.
100%
My wing could crush every PUA on here or on youtube and his 'game' is pretty much 'don't be weird' lol.
Everything in game books and stuff really is just common sense anyway . It's not some sort of black magic. The bar is low. What matters is attraction
 
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