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Exactly what he's saying, Gear is not a magic pill that will make you jacked, you need a combo of diet, training, rest and genetics. Nobody is denying it helps, but saying that gear alone will make you jacked is taking crazy
I don’t know that anyone on this thread claimed that’s the case. Furthermore, if the effects weren’t profound there wouldn’t be 95% of pro athletes using them, actors, and gym bros. Meanwhile all of the aforementioned love to tell the gen pop “oh it’s not like that! No no no, it takes a lot of dedication.”

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I don’t know that anyone on this thread claimed that’s the case. Furthermore, if the effects weren’t profound there wouldn’t be 95% of pro athletes using them, actors, and gym bros. Meanwhile all of the aforementioned love to tell the gen pop “oh it’s not like that! No no no, it takes a lot of dedication.”

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And yet again I'll reinforce my belief that the fitness advice on this forum is fvcking retarded.
Who is handing out fitness advice on this thread? Why is anyone taking umbrage to anything that’s been posted on the thread thus far? Is it even remotely possible that you think that anyone is saying something other than they wrote?

Facts is facts.
 

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Anyone saying they're some kind of cheat code is speaking from ignorance and don't have first hand experience to which they speak. You have to train HARDER than humanly possible to gain that size. Not to mention have Recovery and Diet on point. Not to mention the make or break factor GENETICS. Everyone speaking about gear that it's somehow a shortcut hasn't done it. All you naysayers that are on high horses start pinning Tren, and see how far that gets you without the other pillars in place. Fun Fact.... Everyone's dna doesn't respond to all the different compounds the same way. Some can take grams of tren and will not respond to it.... All gear does is allows one to train at 150% instead of 100% which means more effort, not less...

Makes me wonder if such posters that are so sure of what they speak, when it's clear they are ignorant, are as Don Juan as they claim.
 

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And people overcompensating by losing their shyte when someone states facts about anabolic steroid usage and two things it has been proven medically by peer reviewed cross-longitudinal studies increase workload capacity and aid recovery is barking up the wrong tree.

If it did not work you would not be sticking needles inti your quads and arse all the time.

Again no one has said you’d gain mass without training, what has been said is that anabolic steroids do help you gain mass through workload capacity and recovery enhancements.

Do I need to pull out the butcher block paper and crayons here?

p.s. if your pining trenbolone alone you’re an imbecile, you should at a minimum run it along side testosterone and maybe some winstrol or masteron. Ya know so that it doesn’t help you gain workload capacity and aid recovery. :oops:
 
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Don't change the context of your debate. You posted the meme that it's like "renting Porsche" which is implied cheating. Anyone who runs tren without knowing what other compounds do to their endocrine system are imbeciles.
 

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Don't change the context of your debate. You posted the meme that it's like "renting Porsche" which is implied cheating. Anyone who runs tren without knowing what other compounds do to their endocrine system are imbeciles.
There has been no change in context.

That is a meme off of T-Nation, a site dedicated to weightlifting and anabolic steroid usage.

If you can't laugh at it you're in way too deep broheem.
 
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The statement "gear is not magic" seems to keep getting disputed. The number of people taking gear would surprise you - but the number of people taking gear that look totally natural would surprise you more... because gear is not magic.

It amplifies what you're doing; you still need to put in the work and it WILL come around to buttfvck you if you're not doing cardio or eating right.
You guys are talking past each other. No one in this thread said gear means a person will get instantly swole or does not have to work hard. Only that gear takes capacity and recovery to heights far beyond what is natural.
 

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@Money & Muscle I am going to cite some of the stuff I was talking about earlier on here.

This was the study done that I mentioned about the Army Ranger school using test on soldiers and monitoring the results.
Effects of testosterone supplementation on body composition and lower-body muscle function during severe exercise- and diet-induced energy deficit: A proof-of-concept, single centre, randomised, double-blind, controlled trial - PMC (nih.gov)

This was a study done on young men and had them NOT train to see the results. I'll link the T nation article that broke it down, it's much easier to read, and I'll also include the link to the study itself.

Testosterone: Real-World Data (t-nation.com)

Testosterone dose-response relationships in healthy young men - PubMed (nih.gov)

I'm also going to include some videos from a solid youtube channel, "More Plates More Dates" that has a lot of really interesting stuff.

NFL STAR GAINED OVER 100 POUNDS NATTY!? J.J. WATT NATTY OR NOT (youtube.com)

Was James Bond On Gear For Casino Royale? - Daniel Craig Natty Or Not (youtube.com)

There are tons of videos you can go through on that channel.

@Pierce.Manhammer and @EyeBRollin may find this interesting.
 

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Yes, you need to push weights to get hyooge like homie.

That has never been in question for me - EVER.

But to say that steroids do not have the effect they do is absurd.

I watch my levels like a hawk at my age; the moment I drop below 600, it's t-cyp or just for me; I'll do it shamelessly. But until then, I'll hold off to avoid facking up my HPTA and avoid organomegaly, coronary hypertrophy, hyperlipidemia, polycythemia, prostatic hyperplasia, and other niceties.
 
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Have you ever taken any anabolic steroids?
I've tried but nearly went into renal failure from micro dosing Tren. Blood pressure went up to 190/140. My body can't handle them at all. TRT is all I can handle.

Have tried Mast E and Anavar also...Anavar wasn't terrible but BP still went up. Had to stop my first Test E cycle after about 5 weeks because it constantly felt like my head was about to explode from high BP.

That's with taking all precautions and liver supports as well. Shudder to think what would have happened without them...probably would be laying 6 feet under the ground now.

I've used Ostarine, Andarine(S-4) and LGD(SARMs) and those seemed to not cause many issues for me. Not as good as steroids obviously(although some of the newer ones are not far away), but they definitely help quite a bit over what you could achieve naturally.

LGD caused my BP to go up a decent amount. Andarine freaked me out after about 8 weeks because I was literally blind in the dark(temp effect as it attaches to receptors in your eyes effecting night vision and gets worse over time) and I had to stop it. But, at least it validates that what you have is the real deal.

I remember I had a date with a woman in a dimly lit bar and she was sitting across the table from me and I literally could not see her face. Then when I left the bar, the street I was walking down was poorly lit and I was reaching out my hand trying to walk like a blind person because I couldn't see. Didn't take anymore after that night.

Planning to actually add in Ostarine for 12 weeks starting later this week.
 
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Steroids is no magic bullet.. You still got to work your azz off like crazy.
No one is saying that though.

All that has been said is that steroids are not magic - they do little to nothing to help if your diet or training are sh!t.

Also, "steroids" is such a nebulus term.

Does 100mg Test cure bad training?
Does 1000mg Test cure bad training?
What about 1000mg test, 1600mg Deca, 400mg Tren, 54IU HGH and Humalog?

It's not as simple as "steroids do stuff". That's literally all that we're saying.
As @EyeBRollin has pointed out - we're talking past each other.

The conversations in the fitness section of this forum really are frustrating. Why we're even still on this subject is beyond me.


I admittedly do steroids. Why? Because I want to have the physique of an IFBB pro during off season - FFMI >=30 at 10%BF. This is not happening naturally.
Bro, did you not read the links I cited earlier? If that isn't "magic" or show you how powerful these drugs can be I honestly don't know what to tell you.

No offense, man, but you don't have the genetics to look like an IFBB pro bodybuilder. IF you want to look like that, you are going to have to use/abuse heavy amounts of gear, anyone who cares about their health would not do this. FYI, women are not typically attracted to the steroid look and often times even find it very unattractive, almost akin to being obese. You really are only impressing yourself and other guys and gay dudes lol.
 

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I've tried but nearly went into renal failure from micro dosing Tren. Blood pressure went up to 190/140. My body can't handle them at all. TRT is all I can handle.

Have tried Mast E and Anavar also...Anavar wasn't terrible but BP still went up. Had to stop my first Test E cycle after about 5 weeks because it constantly felt like my head was about to explode from high BP.

That's with taking all precautions and liver supports as well. Shudder to think what would have happened without them...probably would be laying 6 feet under the ground now.

I've used Ostarine, Andarine(S-4) and LGD(SARMs) and those seemed to not cause many issues for me. Not as good as steroids obviously(although some of the newer ones are not far away), but they definitely help quite a bit over what you could achieve naturally.

LGD caused my BP to go up a decent amount. Andarine freaked me out after about 8 weeks because I was literally blind in the dark(temp effect as it attaches to receptors in your eyes effecting night vision and gets worse over time) and I had to stop it. But, at least it validates that what you have is the real deal.

I remember I had a date with a woman in a dimly lit bar and she was sitting across the table from me and I literally could not see her face. Then when I left the bar, the street I was walking down was poorly lit and I was reaching out my hand trying to walk like a blind person because I couldn't see. Didn't take anymore after that night.

Planning to actually add in Ostarine for 12 weeks starting later this week.
God damn, man. How old were you when you went through this phase?
 
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