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    How to try and finally get out of the friendzone?

    I wouldn't get too caught up on thinking she's not physically attracted to you. We all know that's never a big thing with women as long as you have some game as well as something to offer them (i.e. serious money, stability, the ability to make her a mom, etc) The likely scenario was your pushy...
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    FINALLY invited her out for a drink but she dodges the question

    @Hamurabimbi @Clockwerk50 I should have been more clear. Under no circumstances did this all go on for 1.5 years. That was simply how long I’ve known her. We’d chat occasionally but really I didn’t begin to have interest and start going out of my way to talk to her much more until 4 months or...
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    FINALLY invited her out for a drink but she dodges the question

    First, I'm well aware I was pretty much rejected. Guess I just wanted to share the story incase anyone could add insight. Co-worker, who I'll call "Kate", not in my department or building even. Only visited her office once every few weeks or so and would briefly chat until things progressed to...
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    The most confident way to ask a woman out via text

    Step one is definitely making sure you and your words come off as confident. After that, it comes down to their overall interest level imo. I've had success and failures mentioning a couple of days for the chick to pick from and I've had success and failure simply saying "We should grab drinks...
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    The most confident way to ask a woman out via text

    These are the types of chicks that will reach back out trying to flirt once their higher orbiters are lost. Maintain frame though. Don’t ever forget that she originally took a sh-t on your offer to take her out.
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    The most confident way to ask a woman out via text

    I never liked the whole elaborate proposals or as @Bingo-Player alluded to, "bargains". "What would you think about?", "Are you free (whatever) night, I wanted to ask...", etc. F that man. You want confidence? ASSUME she wants to go out with you and go in with "So when are we going out for...
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    Getting a feel for women at work - Do all the same rules and concepts apply?

    Well the goal definitely isn't a hit and quit. I can say that much. Seems like we get along way too well for that. Really I just want to get her out, see how it goes, then take it from there. Whether it would be some sort of casual 'situationship' or something long term would remain to be seen...
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    Getting a feel for women at work - Do all the same rules and concepts apply?

    Minor update: Had another convo with her this past week and I will be honest, I just could not pull the trigger on asking her out. Again, great convo, lots of laughs, a legitimate chemistry from a general standpoint at least, but, the amount of co-worker/friendly vibes only this girl gives me...
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    Getting a feel for women at work - Do all the same rules and concepts apply?

    I understand your thoughts, but after all this time, going out for a half hour cup of coffee together, even if its during work, would be an escalation in its own right with this particular girl. Also, I would absolutely step up the conversation with her during said coffee outing.
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    Getting a feel for women at work - Do all the same rules and concepts apply?

    Thanks for the kind words of encouragement. While meeting someone at work is not the most ideal scenario by any means, I also find it hilarious just how against it some people are when TONS of couples meet at work. Its not exactly some extreme taboo thing that is frowned upon so hard to the...
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    Getting a feel for women at work - Do all the same rules and concepts apply?

    You have no clue who this person is. I do as I've spoken and gotten to know her over a somewhat lengthy period of time now. So its a bit odd for you to kind of discount my account of who she is and how she comes across. This isn't the type of girl who's out to string me along. She hasn't even...
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    Getting a feel for women at work - Do all the same rules and concepts apply?

    Well breaks are at completely different times for us so even if we were working together every single day, which we do anything but, it never would have had a chance to happen. I wouldn't go that far. If I ever got her out somewhere besides our office walls I would definitely be a bit more...
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    Getting a feel for women at work - Do all the same rules and concepts apply?

    Great question but if I'm being honest I can't give a real assessment of that. Like I said, I'm not working in her area everyday. I really only see her once every few weeks. But in the very little bit I have seen with regards to her interactions with other guys(as in literally minutes and only a...
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    Getting a feel for women at work - Do all the same rules and concepts apply?

    Yes and this is what I'm afraid of. But still, I just don't know. I still think its very possible she'd go out to grab a drink or coffee with me. For the most part, I do agree, but I will say that this particular woman isn't like most that I've gotten to know. She's a little "different". She...
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    Getting a feel for women at work - Do all the same rules and concepts apply?

    29.. single, never married. Doesn’t seem too experienced with men and the world of dating. Don’t ask why I feel that. Just a hunch.
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    Getting a feel for women at work - Do all the same rules and concepts apply?

    For the last 6 months or so at work, I've been getting to know this one woman at work little by little. HB7 in my opinion. We do not see each other every day or even every week though. It has been more like every 3 weeks on average, so the progression has been super slow. Eventually, probably...
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    Her sudden, abrupt change in communication. What happened?

    While I still think another guy is possible, after re-reading everything myself, I too can't rule out what the last poster @BeExcellent said. Ok, so she was coming to you day after day after the sex. That wasn't just a coincidence. She likely did have a good night with you and wanted to move...
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    Her sudden, abrupt change in communication. What happened?

    A sudden change like this typically means another guy either entered the picture or she was dating someone else who she's now feeling more into. Either way, can't beat yourself up over it.
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    What is the best/most clever way to exchange numbers with a woman at work

    Unless of course she's drooling over you or you two have such ridiculous chemistry that its 100/10, asking in a "No pressure" context or not, I never really liked the idea of asking out a co-worker for a flat out one on one thing. I've been there before and it can just end up as awkward. For me...
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    Is she too emotionally damaged to date right now or was it more than that?

    What Dr. Suave said. Want to feel better? I've been in this exact type of situation and it wasn't on no second date. It was more a 10th or 11th date, with all sorts of sex and sleepovers, a Christmas party, a night with friends, etc, in between. Then a couple months after she blew me off I saw...
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