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That is quite a different situation to the one faced by the OP though - and I'm going to go against the grain because I think I'd remove the ex-girfriend from the group if I were him. Or, to be more accurate, I'd ask her to leave and then remove her if she didn't go. The OP may be able to...

Spot on. Harsh but true.

I have never known that to be the case. In my experience, it virtually always means: 1) they're going to look for another guy, or 2) they've got another guy lined up, or 3) they're already seeing another guy I've never known a woman who really wants to be single, although many of them will say...

I don't understand why you're asking this. Let it go, move on, it's over, she doesn't want you anymore. It's painful, I know. We've all been there. But its really not difficult to grasp. Just leave it.

I think that's right. With work a fairly average looking person (man or woman) can make themselves overtly attractive - diet, exercise, grooming, clothes, etc. Then of course there's makeup, even cosmetic surgery. I've seen people transform themselves. It takes time, money and effort though.

Never a truer word said.

Yep. Good post. Taking your time and not rushing in is, in my opinion, the key here. Because that's how I got badly burned. Easier said than done though.

You would be stupid to attempt this as it effectively it entails putting yourself on trial for rape on a much lower burden of evidence. With no jury.

Wise words from the Duke :up:

Yeah, that's a good point. But a bit of attention/validation can still go a long way towards repairing a bruised ego.

It's a difficult one, this. But, I've always found the best way to get over a woman is to get another. I know that's sometimes easier said than done but it can work. Frankly, I was still a bit cut up over my last relationship until I started seeing the girl I'm with now. The last relationship...

Well, yeah, but I find it pretty easy to walk from one room to another when I want.

Funny this topic has come up because I was only thinking about it yesterday - and frankly I've never enjoyed sleeping with women. Sex, yes, of course, but I've always preferred to sleep alone. Why? A bit of separation is a good thing and I get a better sleep on my own.

If you believe that, you must've been born yesterday.

Absolutely, yes - and that's understandable really. Women tend to be resentful if you do it to them though.

Good post which just about sums it up for me.

What do you mean by 'older'? An older woman can be fun if you're 20 and she's 30. Not so much if you're 40 and she's 50+ or whatever.

Horrific, mate. The whole thing was a nighmare.

I know, bro - somehow I ended up married to one! (unforunately).

Personally, I'd move on. If she comes back to you in the next day or two, OK. But I wouldn't be chasing her; your time and energy is probably better invested elsewhere.