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I dont think feminism has had any impact whatsoever on women bring attracted to men with money and power. The only things that changed is the goalposts have moved with regards to the sort of money needed to acquire that FUN lifestyle because now women can make their own money.

When haters complain about men using money to get women they think of this type of situation:


Not footballers getting blow jobs from HB9 "feminists" in club bathrooms
If she despised the old dude so much, why did she let him in her?
 

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What I also think gets overhyped in these discussions because it doesn't make a good sound bite is how high the bar is. If she is in your looks and age bracket run a bit of game and most decent chicks will shed the panties.

The first few months you will have to be pretty tough on them because that's when they test you out for the boyfriend gig. And that's when money and status and most importantly what her friends say plays in. that's why being set up by her friends is so powerful.

which is where plating comes in because you will be getting it wet regularly and sooner or later one of them that has met your selection criteria will hang around

So in summary easy to part the beef curtains harder to stay in the promised land.
 
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It's not about the money...it's about the things you can buy with the money. But seriously...

Just work on all things at once. Focus on your career, improve your looks as best you can (exercise, food intake, style, grooming), and make time for socializing including women. Your social skill set only costs time and experience and will get you farther than burying your head until you make your first million. Obviously you have to prioritize your financial survival. But being preoccupied with money to the exclusion of other forms of self-improvement will lead to a hollow life. Someone out there will always have more than you. And if she'll leave her guy for six figures, she'll leave six for seven. You're only given so many breaths in life, it's not worth obsessing over.
 

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I've been in some 1/4 of a percent areas when the night on the town is just starting on a Friday, leaving their condo or vulgar home, the blonde eastern european (probably early 20s) and the grey-hair rolling the window up in his black luxury car. It made me feel so small (I was in my early 30s). In fact, a lot of these vulgar vulgar palatial homes make me feel so small, and I think to myself, "Not in MY lifetime." It just ain't happenin. I wouldn't WANT to struggle to reach a level that most of them were Given, not earned.
 

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MONEY. THIS is the truth that has always been, and likely will be for decades to come.

Men are more ambitious, men make more money, men have more resources.

Women can, and DO trade sex for money.

All the catterwalling and denying in the world does not change this.
That's all part of the game. The 2019 "Money doesn't matter" crew are as bad as the 2000s "Looks don't matter" PUA clowns.

Money might not buy you happiness but it can buy you freedom and that is power. One of the reasons why I put Money at the top of the LMS triad is because it has major functional value outside of the SMP. Status is contextual, Looks are subjective.

Would rather hit FU money and go Dan Bilzerian on the world than smugly declare that making money is supplicating if one of the reasons you're doing it is because it'll give you more choice and better access to hotter girls. Simplistic one dimensional thinking. Like the dweebs that declare you should only "lift weights for you bro", as if people can't do things for multiple reasons retards. :lol:
 
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The part that gets under my skin.....is that even though all women trade sex for money...………………………...and all women KNOW this (it is hardwired into them from thousands of years of survival)…..most won't admit it, even while DOING it themselves..
All you gotta do is refuse to spend a dollar more on them than they do on you, and keep the frivolous spending down too. That'll filter them out. If you aren't a simp, you don't have this problem. As usual... look at yourself before you look outside.
 
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That's all part of the game. The 2019 "Money doesn't matter" crew are as bad as the 2000s "Looks don't matter" PUA clowns.

Money might not buy you happiness but it can buy you freedom and that is power. One of the reasons why I put Money at the top of the LMS triad is because it has major functional value outside of the SMP. Status is contextual, Looks are subjective.

Would rather hit FU money and go Dan Bilzerian on the world than smugly declare that making money is supplicating if one of the reasons you're doing it is because it'll give you more choice and better access to hotter girls. Simplistic one dimensional thinking. Like the dweebs that declare you should only "lift weights for you bro", as if people can't do things for multiple reasons retards. :lol:
Problem is, you'll likely never reach Bilzerian money, no matter how hard you try.

Most people spend their every waking moment trying to get rich. Fool's endeavor. You're chasing the other rats.
 

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Problem is, you'll likely never reach Bilzerian money, no matter how hard you try.

Most people spend their every waking moment trying to get rich. Fool's endeavor. You're chasing the other rats.
Worship of wealth and its pursuit is a great way to atomize and delude a society.

"This disposition to admire, and almost to worship, the rich and the powerful, and to despise, or, at least, to neglect persons of poor and mean condition, though necessary both to establish and to maintain the distinction of ranks and the order of society, is, at the same time, the great and most universal cause of the corruption of our moral sentiments. That wealth and greatness are often regarded with the respect and admiration which are due only to wisdom and virtue; and that the contempt, of which vice and folly are the only proper objects, is often most unjustly bestowed upon poverty and weakness, has been the complaint of moralists in all ages." - Adam Smith, The Theory of Moral Sentiments, Chapter 3

Some people have no idea how wealthy people typically get wealthy. The "intelligent hard work and dedication" is just what is marketed to the masses. I could write more... but I don't wanna go off on a long tangent.
 
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If you don’t have the looks, she will (at worst) shut you down before you have a chance to show your great social skills or (at best) friendzone you and enjoy the free entertainment.
If you have great game, she'll definitely enjoy the entertainment. If you have social proof on top of that, she'll fvck you.

Problem is, you have to create social status for this to work, which means you have to socialize with a bunch of motherfvckers that you would otherwise ignore. Which is even more punishment than not getting laid, in my opinion lol.
 
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Worship of wealth and its pursuit is a great way to atomize and delude a society.

"This disposition to admire, and almost to worship, the rich and the powerful, and to despise, or, at least, to neglect persons of poor and mean condition, though necessary both to establish and to maintain the distinction of ranks and the order of society, is, at the same time, the great and most universal cause of the corruption of our moral sentiments. That wealth and greatness are often regarded with the respect and admiration which are due only to wisdom and virtue; and that the contempt, of which vice and folly are the only proper objects, is often most unjustly bestowed upon poverty and weakness, has been the complaint of moralists in all ages." - Adam Smith, The Theory of Moral Sentiments, Chapter 3

Some people have no idea how wealthy people typically get wealthy. The "intelligent hard work and dedication" is just what is marketed to the masses. I could write more... but I don't wanna go off on a long tangent.
Good quote, but guys that aren't rich are still getting laid every day. I manage ok, and I'm a frugal *******!

I was just saying don't make money your God, as you will never be satisfied. You will blame all of your problems on "not enough money," which is easy to do in our current society.
 

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Problem is, you'll likely never reach Bilzerian money, no matter how hard you try.

Most people spend their every waking moment trying to get rich. Fool's endeavor. You're chasing the other rats.
I don't place those sort of limiters on myself. But each to their own.

Not everyone can be a 10 in looks. Doesn't stop people from hitting the gym or dressing better, nor should it.

And my point still stands. Money = Freedom. FU money (FIRE) is achievable for most with discipline and planning. Many won't do it.

Learning "game" and "looks maxing" is far easier.

Take your net worth, multiply it by your age and divide that number by your annual living expenditure. If it's over a 1000 you're independently wealthy. I'll be there by 35. Doesn't sound like rat race living to me. I'm no miser and fvcked up a lot in my early 20s. It can be done.
 
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I don't place those sort of limiters on myself. But each to their own.

Not everyone can be a 10 in looks. Doesn't stop people from hitting the gym or dressing better, nor should it.

And my point still stands. Money = Freedom. FU money (FIRE) is achievable for most with discipline and planning. Many won't do it.

Learning "game" and "looks maxing" is far easier.

Take your net worth, multiply it by your age and divide that number by your annual living expenditure. If it's over a 1000 you're independently wealthy. I'll be there by 35. Doesn't sound like rat race living to me. I'm no miser and fvcked up a lot in my early 20s. It can be done.
FIRE doesn't coincide with getting laid off money, bro.

Getting laid off of money is based on the display of wealth, which means you have to frivolously spend a lot of money.

FIRE is based on the opposite.

You can't have both. Unless you hit it big suddenly.
 
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@BeTheChange sometimes "limiters" are just reality giving you a check.

Not saying that you shouldn't shoot for the stars, just don't be surprised if you miss. Most people miss. It's normal, though hard to accept.

We all want to think we're destined for greatness, but time has a way of beating that out of you.

You have the right mindframe, though.
 
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When reading these posts, do you guys feels a sense of power, or do you see nothing but supplication and coping?
I only read this last paragraph of yours, and I felt a sense of power for having not read the rest of it :)

Just fvcking with you, man. You like to write and you're pretty good at it. Even if I think you're full of sh1t.
 

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Problem is, you'll likely never reach Bilzerian money, no matter how hard you try.

Most people spend their every waking moment trying to get rich. Fool's endeavor. You're chasing the other rats.
"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires." - Roger Wright.

That's a pretty lefty/pinko quote but it speaks truth about the American mentality, at least. Everyone imagines himself filthy rich and instead of taking the steady path toward a profitable but balanced life, a lot of people rack of debt or take stupid risks. The great thing about the US is there's a lot of freedom for entrepreneurship, but there's also a lot of get rich quick b.s. being bought and sold, and an obsession with materialism and consumerism.
 
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"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires." - Roger Wright.

That's a pretty lefty/pinko quote but it speaks truth about the American mentality, at least. Everyone imagines himself filthy rich and instead of taking the steady path toward a profitable but balanced life, a lot of people rack of debt or take stupid risks. The great thing about the US is there's a lot of freedom for entrepreneurship, but there's also a lot of get rich quick b.s. being bought and sold, and an obsession with materialism and consumerism.
Give women the ability to spend their money frivolously, they're going to do it. Same way with fvcking. They're like children in a candy store. Can't stop themselves.

Add in facecrook and instawh0re, you have a concoction that must have been made by the devil himself.

In all seriousness, men were pointing out these same things thousands of years ago.
 

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"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires." - Roger Wright.

That's a pretty lefty/pinko quote but it speaks truth about the American mentality, at least. Everyone imagines himself filthy rich and instead of taking the steady path toward a profitable but balanced life, a lot of people rack of debt or take stupid risks. The great thing about the US is there's a lot of freedom for entrepreneurship, but there's also a lot of get rich quick b.s. being bought and sold, and an obsession with materialism and consumerism.
That quote is what I was thinking of and wanted to convey with my own post here. That's the atomism combined with pursuit of wealth. It leads to a sick society.

Look at tribespeople that still exist today, who live the same way our ancestors did 10 000 years ago. They work less hours than we do for capitalism, and they are probably happier on the whole too with less neuroticisms. Part of this is the system and part of this is on us as individuals, as an individual you can at least practice minimalism and downshift your life.
 
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That quote is what I was thinking of and wanted to convey with my own post here. That's the atomism combined with pursuit of wealth. It leads to a sick society.

Look at tribespeople that still exist today, who live the same way our ancestors did 10 000 years ago. They work less hours than we do for capitalism, and they are probably happier on the whole too with less neuroticisms. Part of this is the system and part of this is on us as individuals, as an individual you can at least practice minimalism and downshift your life.
"It is inevitable that life will be not just very short but very miserable for those who acquire by great toil what they must keep by greater toil. They achieve what they want laboriously; they possess what they have achieved anxiously; and meanwhile they take no account of time that will never more return. New preoccupations take the place of the old, hope excites more hope and ambition more ambition. They do not look for an end to their misery, but simply change the reason for it."
 
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