Experience for me, advice for you. The story goes like this: I went out tonight with a few of my female friends (it's great to have female friends, by the way) and they brought along a friend of theirs who I had only met one time before. I didn't have a great amount of interest in this girl, but I decided that she would be great for practicing my DJ skills on. I didn't realize how powerful this material can be. On the way back home, I started talking to her with the serious intent of refining my skills. As is advised on this board, she was the subject of the conversation, and when the topics moved away from her, I tried to find a way to at least relate them to her, if not move her back to being the main subject. I don't remember how we started talking, but once we did, I couldn't stop. Maybe I've learned a lot, or maybe I was too focused on practicing, but the result was remarkable. In about 20 minutes, she went from showing no interest in me to giving signals like it was her job. So there are two lessons here. First, when it comes to talking to girls, talk to them about them. It's actually quite easy, because most of the time, they can't shut up about themselves. The second lesson is to practice. Even if you find a girl you're not interested in, as I did tonight, practice talking to her. Reading the posts here is great, but it's even better when you put when you learn into action. ------------------ "Women aren't supposed to make sense. If they did, they'd be men."