The Relationship Begins Before You Meet Her

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  1. Survivor

    Survivor Master Don Juan

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    Tomorrow you are going to wake up with a wonderful idea. You will race out of bed, turn on your computer, and begin authoring an important document. It will be a detailed description of Mrs. Don Juan, the woman you will eventually marry, but have yet to meet.

    Using your imagination, you will profile her age, physical characteristics, education and career goals. You will describe her personality, demeanor, interests, likes and dislikes. You will profile her life experiences and how she has dealt with adversity.

    More importantly, you will describe her personal flaws. (Remember this isn’t a fantasy girl, this your future wife.) You will detail flaws in her appearance, personality and character. You will also describe how at some point in her life, she recognized those flaws and how she has made positive efforts to minimize them.

    Most importantly, you will put your own ego and desires aside and describe what Mrs. Don Juan requires and desires from you. This will be the toughest part of the document to write, but it will not be complete unless you do it. You will realistically describe everything that she wants from you with as much detail as when you described everything you wanted from her.

    After completing the document, you will print out a small copy and keep it with you in your wallet. That way, Mrs. Don Juan will always be with you and a part of you.

    You will then come to the realization that the two of you will never meet unless you improve yourself in order meet her requirements and desires as stated in the last portion of your document. You will develop a self-improvement regimen based on two proven reality factors:

    1) Women need men with Confidence, Control, and Challenge.
    2) Women want men with Looks, Money, and Power.

    The first place you’ll head off to is the gym. While working out, you’ll experience instant improvements in your posture, thus enhancing your Confidence. The better-looking body will come in time. After the first workout, you’ll go to the men’s section of the local store. You’ll stock up on some hair and skin products. Perhaps buy some cologne. When you come back home you’ll see that rising stack of bills on your table, so you pull out the old check book and resolve to take better care of your finances and organize your time. Phase One of your relationship with Mrs. Don Juan will have begun.

    Months will pass and you’ll start to see some results from your hard work. Your body will be more fit, you will have adopted a more clean and neat appearance and your financial improvements will have created a sizable amount of disposable income. You will resolve to read more books thus enhancing your overall knowledge and vocabulary. You’ll resolve to spend more time around people, thus learning social skills and how to exude charisma. You will no longer hesitate in asking a woman for her home phone number. The increase in your level of self-confidence will have eliminated your fear of risk-taking. You’ll enjoy the process of constantly growing and improving. No longer will you be doing it for Mrs. Don Juan. You’ll be improving yourself, for yourself.

    More months will pass and you will have eliminated the personal flaws in your own character and replaced them better, more productive habits. You won’t date as often as your buddies, but the few dates you do go on will always be with interested women, because you will have long since learned to show Control and Challenge by screening the losers out. You will be at peace with yourself and be just an overall happier person, thus more popular. You will posses Power not just from your personal accomplishments, but also from the quality relationships you will have developed with close friends and family.

    You will be a complete man. You will have satisfied all of Mrs. Don Juan’s requirements and desires. Only then will she appear to you in the flesh. You’ll pull the document out of your wallet and be utterly amazed. She will be almost everything that you described in your profile of her long ago. Phase Two of your relationship with her will then begin.

    When the two of you are married and on your honeymoon, Mrs. Don Juan will often refer to the moment she saw you for the first time as the moment when the relationship began for her. She’ll say it was “love at first sight”. She won’t be lying when she says that. That will just be her perspective of things.

    You, however, will know that you simply passed her physical attraction test when she met you for the first time. But for you, the relationship with her will have begun long before then. It will have begun when you resolved to become everything Mrs. Don Juan wants and needs out of a husband, with no respect to your own ego.

    We as guys tend to often think that relationships begin only after we’ve banged her. Not true.

    The relationship begins before you meet her.

    [This message has been edited by Survivor (edited 07-04-2001).]
     
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  2. Neophyte

    Neophyte Master Don Juan

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    A flawless masterpiece, Survivor!

    Cya,
    Neo
     
  3. bigbob

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    Excellent post! A must-read!
     
  4. CHALENGE GUY

    CHALENGE GUY Senior Don Juan

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    Survivor... your post got my blood pumping. I'm willing to try this out.

    Masterpieces like this have become quite scarce around here. It's like finding a gem amidst the contents of a rusted skeptic tank.

    [This message has been edited by CHALENGE GUY (edited 07-04-2001).]
     
  5. Dj Chase

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    thumbs up!!
     
  6. IntermediateDonJuaner

    IntermediateDonJuaner Master Don Juan

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    It's not that i am trying to bring you down or anything. But I really disagree with you for one thing. How could you say women want men with money,looks and power?IWe're all taught the way to attract women without really fulfilling the three categories of the above mentioned in this DJ forum.

    Of course I believe that women need men with confidence,challenge and control.And i think that is what everyone needs in themselves. Try reanalysing your thread once more. :p
     
  7. stuartSan

    stuartSan Master Don Juan

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    I SI MORON-IFIED NOW.

    U SI USE THOSE CONFIDENCE THINGIES WHEN U SI WANT BETTER RESULTS.

    MONEY ETC. SI EASY WAY OUT THINGIE.

    EITHER ONE WORKS.

    IT SI DOESN'T HURT BECOZ HE SI WANTS TO PUT EXTRA INFO.

    IT SI FOR PEOPLE TO APPLY TO LIFE IF IT WORKS FOR THEM SI.


    BTW.. THIS POST SI GOOD SH!T. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.

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  8. Drew

    Drew Master Don Juan

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    HAHAHAHAH

    I HAVE NO CLUE WHAT THE HELL YOU SAID!

    HAHAHHAHAH
     
  9. stuartSan

    stuartSan Master Don Juan

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    Heh.. I was prolly shocked enough by the last post to make me post what I posted.

    Anyway.. I was referring to IntermediateDonJuaner about what he said:

    "But I really disagree with you for one thing. How could you say women want men with money,looks and power?"

    You can't generalize, dude. I'm very very sure you know.. or at least seen chicks who go for those 3 things.

    Just pinpointing a mistake.

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  10. Survivor

    Survivor Master Don Juan

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    Here's what I meant.

    Men do not choose women. Women choose men. When a woman sees you for the first time she is analyzing your physical appearance, body language, the kind of clothes you are wearing, what model car you just came out of,... all very superficial things, and all within a matter of 8 seconds or less. Doc Love calls it the Physical Attraction Test. Its the first test every woman gives you and if you don't pass it, your'e out.

    She will have labeled you a loser before you even utter out one word of the pick-up line you practiced.

    In the real world, if a woman is not physically attracted to you the first time she sees you, all the Confidence, Control and Challenge in the world is not going to change her mind about you. You simply don't turn her on physically and there's almost nothing you can do to work past that in most cases.

    In the real world, Looks, Money and Power ATTRACTS women initially.

    Confidence, Control and Challenge KEEPS women by your side after you've attracted them.

    Understand now?

    [This message has been edited by Survivor (edited 07-14-2001).]
     

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  11. IntermediateDonJuaner

    IntermediateDonJuaner Master Don Juan

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    Okay survivor. I got your point here. Let us say money,looks and power play all the roles, why are there still people visiting this forum on how to get women?

    Basically, let us say if a person is poor,ugly and doesnt have power. how will he be able to attract women anyway? That's when confidence,control and challenge come in and work well for them. So what will your comment be this time?
     
  12. Survivor

    Survivor Master Don Juan

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    A poor, ugly powerless man would not attract anyone.

    IDJ, you need to see this from the woman's perspective.

    Be honest. You would not want a shabby looking woman, no matter how great of a person she is. Thats not superficial, thats normal. Its normal to want physically attractive mates. Is it wrong for a woman to prefer physically attractive men over unattractive men? No, it is not.

    Attractive women desire attractive men. Its just a fact of life.

    The whole point of my post was that while we are waiting for our soulmates, we need to improve ourselves so that we are ready once Ms. Right does come along. That goes for the, poor, ugly powerless man, too. It does'nt matter how charming or challenging he is. He simply will not get any until he improves himself physically and financially.

    Welcome to Real Life.

    Thats just my opinion. You have every right to disagree.

    [This message has been edited by Survivor (edited 07-14-2001).]
     
  13. bez

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    wow that's an awesome post.
     
  14. mahon83050

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    Survivor, I don't know if i completely agree with your logic. I thought this sight always stated women don't car about looks as much as men do. I mean just look around you, i have seen my fair share of average or ugly looking dueds with hot chicks. Maybe they did have money, maybe they did not. I am good-looking, but yet i am still single?? In my opinion, as long as you are confident, financially secure, and atleast average looking, you should not have a problem pulling hot babes. Yes, money, power and looks will get u babes, but i think of it as more of a plus, not a requirement. Like this site always says, being good-looking and tall is a +, but not a requirement. Good looks will only get one more auditions.
     
  15. Survivor

    Survivor Master Don Juan

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    True.

    However, bad looks won't get you any auditions.

    How can a man land the starring role without first qualifying for the audition?

    He can't.

    When I say that a man has to be physically attractive, I don't mean he has to look like Tyson Beckford. My experience has taught me that women most often stay with men that made them feel good physically the first time they saw them, either by being neat and clean shaven or wearing fashionable clothes that fit well or wearing good smelling cologne. That doesn't always entail being as rich as Puffy or having the body of a Greek god.

    He has to be physically attractive or at least respectable looking according to her standards before she becomes curious about his personality, challenge or whether or not he can make her feel special.

    He has to be financially secure before she becomes curious about his character.

    No mature woman is attracted to a man's "potential".

    She doesn't want a work in progress. She wants a complete product.

    She's attracted to what he posesses the first time she meets him. In a woman's eyes, material possessions (looks, money, clothes, cars, etc.) are indicators of ambition.

    She's attracted to the man that she respects....the first time she sees him.

    The only way for a woman to ever gain the right kind of respect for you is for you to pass her physical attraction test. Period.

    And you can only accomplish this by improving yourself....before you meet her.

    I'm starting to repeat myself. This is my last post on this thread.

    [This message has been edited by Survivor (edited 07-20-2001).]
     
  16. Drew

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    "No woman is attracted to a man's "potential"."

    Women love potential and ambition.
     
  17. Pierre94

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    Well yea, I know you do not have to look like tom Cruise or Pierce Brosnan. I certainly don;t as well as most people. When I was talking about good looks, I was talking about physical facial features. What I am saying is: Take a guy with average facial features(i guess like myself) who is clean cut looking, does his hair well, has nice teeth(of course after 5 yrs. of braces) and is confident. Isn't a person like this capable of pulling some hot ass? Some guys i guess do not give a **** about how they look. At work or anywhere i see plenty of ugly people. Guys with fukked up teeth, overweight, glasses, nerdy hair! I mean, i believe everyone can atleast be average looking if they take care of themself, even if you do have ugly physical features. If your teeth are crooked...get braces. If you are fat, workout and go on a diet. If your nose is that big and unproportioned, get a damn nosejob. If your ears really stick out, grow your hair over them.I mean how bad, can you really feel for ugly people sometimes? Sorry, i know i went off the subject here.
     
  18. Smile

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    great post, really good.
     
  19. Desperateforhelp

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    Two thumbs up for Survivor's post. You truly do deserve these two thumbs up and I am glad that I gave them to you. Your post will most definately work for a majority of the men I am assuming.

    By the way what age is good to start looking for Mrs Don Juan?. I am 15.

    Cetraflame@hotmail.com
     
  20. SC

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    WOW WHAT AN AWSOME POST
     

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